Capitalist's role in the creation of jobs...

[RadioRaheem84]

How would you guys answer the tiresome myth espoused by the right; that the capitalist creates jobs thus he is entitled to what is owed to him? The rational for the tax cuts, the argument in favor of sweatshops and the negation of regulations on corporations. What is the real issue here?

[jake williams]

The capitalists have no right to own the means of production in the first place. Hence their "charitable" provision of them, even ignoring the fact that it's out of explicit self-interest, is no reason to fete them.

[Demogorgon]

They only create jobs in that by controlling the means of production they can determine what employment is available.

If they did not own the means of production they would not be able to create jobs and would be utterly unnecessar to the porcess.

Saying capitalists are good because they create jobs is like saying it is good that they own the means of production because they own the means of production.

[Schrödinger's Cat]

"Creative destruction." If someone wins, chances are someone else loses in some ways. This is all unnecessary when faced with the alternative of competing people and products, not competing firms. If black paper with imprinted cartoons outperforms some older type created by a model worker in Hong Kong, the proper information will be facilitated to keep up with demand. If distribution facilities are deemed unnecessary or in need of complete overhaul, the local community can elect to replace it - and those other workers can temporarily reassign themselves to a similar facility nearby or simply wait for the new enterprise - whichever they prefer.

[manic expression]

The capitalist depends on the labor of the worker. The capitalist "creates" jobs so that he can exploit the one who takes it. Just as importantly, however, the capitalist creates unemployment in order to increase the desperation of the working class. The ever-looming threat of unemployment is another tool of the capitalists to coerce the workers. In essence, workers are DENIED jobs by the capitalist system; socialism provides jobs for all workers.

So yes, the capitalist creates jobs, but the capitalist also creates exploitation and unemployment.

[jake williams]

Moreover the term "jobs" itself as it's used in political discourse is a complete sham.

[manic expression]

jammoe makes a good point. Bourgeois politicians brag about the number of jobs they create only because it speaks to growing profits for the capitalist class, not to mention the immediate stability of capitalism.

[RebelDog]

How would you guys answer the tiresome myth espoused by the right; that the capitalist creates jobs thus he is entitled to what is owed to him? The rational for the tax cuts, the argument in favor of sweatshops and the negation of regulations on corporations. What is the real issue here?

The capitalist creates nothing, he steals. He stole the money from workers to 'invest' in the factory, he'll steal from the workers who build it and he'll steal from the workers who toil inside it. We might as well say murderers are creating jobs by the need for prisons to hold them, or rope to hang them.

A rational economy should be about producing what we all need to live free, fulfilling, happy lives. Capitalism tries to portray itself as rational by claiming to be producing 'jobs' and 'wealth'. If the argument for subsidy for the rich is so that they may 'create' jobs why cannot that be flipped over and an argument be made for punishing those who lay workers off or cut their wages? Subsidies/tax cuts are just another way to secure more money for the elite and in doing so they wage ever brutal class war because that money could have been spent on hospitals or schools.