Hitler and Castro - Parallel lives

[Forever capitalism]

Fidel Castro's regime has many frighteningly similar attributes to that of the Fuhrers. Think about this..

Castro read Mein Kampf as a young student and it was one of his favourite books. He used to watch tapes of Hitler's speeches because he realised the manipulative tactics Hitler employed through his expression and presentation of his speeches that Castro himself has adopted to this day. Castro attempted to usurp power in 1953 by shooting the Moncada Barrics, this was not disimilar to Hitler and his Beer Putsch attempt in 1923. Both did not particpiate in the shooting and let others go down for them whilst they were both arrested. Using the courts to popularise their fight and struggle, both Hitler and Castro achieved nation wide attention. They were both jailed for a short period in extremely easy conditions that did not represent true prison life.

After their release and their attainment of power respecitvely, Hitler was operating his Hitler Youth and SA, SS and Gestapo whilst Castro his Communist Youth, groups of malitia around the country and attempted to set up something similar to the Gestapo tthat encouraged citizens spy on each other and report each others actions to the local police and malitia. This he revealed spontaneous during one of his speeches in i think 1960 but it never went through. However his evil intention was there. Both scrapped parliaments and electoral democracy, curbed freedom of speech, expression, of the media. Both established despotic regimes. Hitler's lasted for 12 years and presently Castro's has for 42 years. Both intervened abroad, Hitler in Austria, Czechoslovakia, Poland etc and Castro in Angola, Somalia, etc.
Both are one of the 20th centuries most brutal and suppressive dictators.

[Anonymous]

Forever Capitalism i like your clinton avatar, pity u never looked at it before you posted this you stupid fuck you, reply to this u fucking idiot, COME ON I NEED IT!!

1. Our highest military commander is turning out to be a self-important murdering lying hypocrite with delusions of grandeur. (So was Hitler.)

2. We have a powerful propaganda machine. (So did Hitler.)

3. We have a people who are unwilling to admit that their faith in their leader is misplaced, EVEN when the evidence is placed before them. (So did Hitler.)

4. Our people think of their country as a great shining beacon of truth. (So did Hitler's.)

5. Our people are largely ignorant of the way we are viewed by other nations. (So were Hitler's.)

6. We apparently have a military force composed of human robots who never question the morality of the orders they are given. (So did Hitler.)

7. Our military force is touted as invincible. (So was Hitler's.)

8. But it is not invincible. (Neither was Hitler's.)

9. And the countries we consider our allies can always turn against us. (Hitler's did.)

10. What, exactly, is so special about America that will magically prevent it from becoming a murdering war machine (like Hitler's) that will not be stopped until it is smashed to pieces (like Hitler's had to be)?


Oh, yes, I forgot. Clinton and all of our other presidents cannot seize absolute power because they are elected only for a limited period of time.

Guess what? SO WAS HITLER!! Hitler seized absolute power through political maneuvering after he was elected to office. I do not doubt that any of our presidents can do the same under the right conditions.

The match isn't perfect, of course: Hitler was his own man while Clinton is just a brainless puppet.

And there's no reason for any American president to seize absolute power when the people who are pulling the strings can simply parade a series of clones through the White House. All the same, the recipe above is getting pretty scary.

[Nateddi]

FC, in the 30's ameriKKKa loved hitler and mussolini. Our corporations praised him for fixing the problems in germany and italy and removing anarchy. Henry Ford payed his homage to Rome and Berlin many times during the fascist era. I am sure that if you lived in the 30's you would be just like them.

Fascism is capitalism in decay.

Hitler was a very smart man, and no matter what his views were, I assume My Struggle was an intelligent work to say the least. I don't see Fidel going for the master race. Fidel and the People overthrew fascist Batista; and now about cuba.

From the revolution until now:
Life expectancy rose from 55 to 75 years in Cuba
Infant mortality rate dropped from 60/1000 to 9.1/1000.
Most 3rd world disieses have been eliminated.
Cuba is the home for 25,000 college students from impoverished 3rd world countries.
Cuba treated 13,000 victims of chernobyl
Cuba is #1 in per capita doctors, art instructers, teachers, and sport instructors in the whole god damned world.

I wonder if thats what hitler did FC

(Edited by Nateddi at 5:23 pm on Mar. 23, 2002)

[Moskitto]

Hitler - Came into power legally
Casto - Overthrew the government

Hitler - Overthrew a democracy
Castro - Overthrew a dictatorship

Hitler - Charged accross Europe building a slave empire
Castro - Only fought in 1 international war since 1959

Hitler - Looked to conquer new lands
Castro - Looked for Friends (USSR, Canada, Western Europe)

And yes, there is something called "Emergency Powers" which the president can use and exists in every democracy (Except the UK which isn't a democracy but an Elected Oligarchy) if conditions become bad enough, guess what, Hitler used this, so can Bush.

[pastradamus]

Oh thats right FC I forgot bout the six million jews castro killed,my apoligies.

[poncho]

Another example of how stupid the Cuban Americans are!!!!

Most Americans like Castro, Jimmy Carter is going to Cuba and said that if he where still president he would restore normal trade relations with Cuba, he's always felt the embargo was unfair and UN-American.

Since Americans are stupid they buy into this Castro=Hitler bull shit and keep allowing for the criminals in Miami to dictate American foreign policy in regards to Cuba.

[PunkRawker677]

hey.. im a cuban american!! and im no cappie!

=(

[I Will Deny You]

I have never liked Castro and I've said so. Don't ask me how it's possible to admire Che but not Castro, because I've explained it before.

As a Jew, I find what you're saying incredibly offensive. Hitler wanted to kill every single Jewish person on the planet, and he killed six million. My grandmother fled in terror after her house was burned down, all of her possessions were stolen and she had seen her friends and family carted off in trains as if they were cattle. She tried very hard to get in touch with everyone back in the Old Country, but was completely unsuccessful. After decades of looking for the people she grew up with, she finally accepted that there was a 99% chance that they were all dead.

Castro, while not a mensch by many standards, did not kill 12 million people. I doubt that any man who is considered a communist by so many people was a big Hitler fan. Also, it is noteworthy that the only non-Cuban in Castro's government was a Jew. Let's face it, with the huge amounts of Jews that were involved in Communist movements in the 1950's and 60's (and today), it's unlikely that many leftists are Jew-haters. Che certainly wasn't one. In addition, I have not seen any evidence that Castro disliked gypsies, homosexuals, trade unionists, etc. How many gas chambers are there in Cuba?

Hitler wanted to make an empire for himself. Although he always wanted more, more, MORE land for the Third Reich, when's the last time that Castro invaded a country? The Germans would go into other lands, cart of all of the Jews and ruin other people's lives. Castro, on the other hand, not only did not wish to create a Cuban empire but was even against Che's wishes that the Cubans give the slightest bit of aid to Communist armies in other countries that were made by the people living in that area. No matter how much of an asshole you think that Castro is, it's impossible to argue that he's an imperial asshole.

I'd back my argument up even more, but the fact is that scum like you don't deserve very much at all. We both know that what you said is bullshit. It is disgusting that you would even think of writing what you did. As a leftist, as a Jew, as a person who seeks the truth and despises rhetoric and as a human being with a working brain I feel that my intelligence has been insulted. Dimwits like you make me sick.

[poncho]

"hey.. im a cuban american!! and im no cappie!"--

Sorry forget that some decent patriots do exist amongst the criminal terrorist lying bastards in the Cuban American anti-sovereign Castro Cuba crowd....

My deepest apology for lumping you with that scum!!!!

[Nateddi]

I agree with IWDY,

how can anyone compare these two people. If castro is like hitler, so am I, so is everyone on this board, cappies, commies, all of them. We are all human, thats one thing. But taking such vague similarities between the people is completely uncalled for. FC, it isn't as if you are comparing Hitler to Mussolini.

[Forever capitalism]

It was evident from the first response to my analysis of Hitler and Castro that this debate was headed nowhere. Once again i was abused and will boycott this thread because of the people who seek to undermine debate and exchange of opinion.

[Rommel]

Whats so wrong about Hitler? He was good for his people, he gave them jobs, new lives, ...
Thats the way a ruler must be, true his opinion were not always good, but generally he had a great policy for his country. But the biggest mistake that he ever made was: operation Barbarossa

[Fires of History]

Hey Forever Capitali$m,

When the Nazi in the room is agreeing with YOU, that should say something...

But your BOTH dumbshits

[Forever capitalism]

Fires of History how is he agreeing with me if i am criticising hitler and castro and he is saying wait a minute hitler was good. I think the adjective that you used to describe both of us maybe was meant for somebody else who erred in their last post. Honestly you don't read and all you do is abuse and insult. Don't you have anything better to do. This is my last reply in this thread as people like you have successfully ended all chance of a debate without reverting to childish antics.

[SA160]

Fidel has always been and is still totally devoted to the interests of ALL the Cubans. Yes, they do not have has much has the average Joes and Janes of the U$A who lives on the misery of most of the world and of about 40,000,000 of their own people.
Fidel is Just and fair to All.

Long Live Fidel and the Cuban Revolution!

[TheDerminator]

No wonder some people want no BORGS in the forums
Castro = Hitler
Nixon = Hitler, because of the horrors of Vietnam?
Equally crude and equally simplistic. Sounds a pathetic wind up.

As for Rommel, I must admit, I think Malte ought to ban people using offensive names such as Hitler, Jack the Ripper, Pol Pot and Rommel the "nice" military strategist falls into that category. Never noticed his stand against the "final solution"!
Likewise of a BORG uses the name of Che or Augusto Sandino, I think they should be banned. A complete insult.

Be afraid, be very afraid...

Resistance is Futile!

May the Force be with U!

derminated

[Nateddi]

Quote: from Forever capitalism on 10:21 am on Mar. 24, 2002
It was evident from the first response to my analysis of Hitler and Castro that this debate was headed nowhere. Once again i was abused and will boycott this thread because of the people who seek to undermine debate and exchange of opinion.

You fvcking wanker!

Who cares who rung in first with which responce? The first guy compared nazi germany to ameriKKKa. His point was that anything can be compared with anythign else. But you the wanker decided to disregard the posts proceeding it, and since the first post didn't mension castro you declare victory. God damn it FC, why are you so arrogant while using "intelligent" words to make you seem smart. This is no point at all. Read my previous two comments in the thread to see the point. This arrogance is what makes people on this board want to ban arrogant swine such as yourself.

[guerrillaradio]

In my time upon this earth, I have travelled to many a place, met many a person, but I have NEVER come across any quite as self-righteous or arrogant as FC. Get off your fucking high horse, just cos you're rich doesn't make you any better than those seek justice...

[Moskitto]

FC, you're just lame. Why don't you actually explain why the comparrison between America and Nazi Germany is incorrect rather than just claim that you were abused and will boycott the thread.

Ooops I forgot, you can't because Irish Guevara is right. If you don't like this analysis, prove him wrong.

[Xvall]

I'm not a great supporter of castro either, but do you think that you're any better?
All the bombings and sanctions by Bill Clinton have already resulted in the death of 1,500,000 Iraqi civilians. Instead of rounding up the jews, the United States rounds up the minorities and leftists. Ever notice that the cops never seem to be able to round up those Nazi Boot Boys?

- Drake Dracoli

[Reuben]

Fc, I have noticed you still havent responded to any of the points raised by I Will Deny You plus many others. I.E. Castro never killed 6000,000+ people as part of racist genocides

[STALINSOLDIERS]

the dam usa kills more then any dictator of the world..they dont get to trials cause they own the u.n and with money they buy people lives......shit bush needs to go to jail fidel isnt that bad he doesnt pratice imperialism.....and now usa is now picking on islam

[Rommel]

Fires of history, your really a piece of work. Offending people you hardly know, that is the proof of lameness.
I don't see any connection between Nazi-Germany and America, both men where capable rulers and did much for their own people but i see now further connection.

[Nateddi]

Quote: from Rommel on 8:04 pm on Mar. 24, 2002
Fires of history, your really a piece of work. Offending people you hardly know, that is the proof of lameness.
I don't see any connection between Nazi-Germany and America, both men where capable rulers and did much for their own people but i see now further connection.
Fascist regimes are just extremist versions of American policy.

The fascist states were basically extremist capitalist states. Hitler and Mussolini shut down unions, crushed socialist newspapers, labor leaders, etc. Hitler's campaign was funded by wealthy anti-labor rulers, industrialists, etc. He made enough money to campaign in 50 cities two-weeks prior to the election.

After seizing power, Hitler and Mussolini made strikes illegal, union property was privatized, state-owned mills were privatized, minumum wage laws were abolished, factory safety laws abolished as well. Taxes were increased for the general public, while decreased for the corporations. In the 30's, recession and corruption struck fascit economies, nevertheless, a boost in weaponery production built up armies and kept the rich very rich.

American bankers and businessmen such as Henry Ford traveled to Rome and Berlin to pay their homage. American press hailed Mussolini for saving Italy from "anarchy and radicalism". Italian-American press supported the fascist regime and suggested that the US can benefit from a similar social order. American press in the 30's did not denounce fascism, they had a "Give Adolph a chance" attitude. Nazi's were also free to write columns in the William Randolph Hearst's newspaper.

According to Mussolini, Fascist doctrine streses that the rich and the poor should set aside differences and fight for the good of the state. Propaganda plays were written pushing the agenda and denouncing labor unions.

Western Capitalist states cooperated with fascism. British PM saw hitler as a bulwark against communism. After WWII, western capitalist allies did little to get rid of fascism in Italy and Germany. Many leaders and war criminals were released within a year of the end of the war. When communists however took power in East Germany, they imprisoned and removed nazi officials, and executed certain leaders for war crimes. During the war, American corporations were not bombed by allied airplanes, this gave germany an advantage in shelter as well as arms production.

[Reuben]

Rommel, are you really as much of a Naazi as you make yourself out to be. Before, I thought you were being sarcastic.


Are you really filthy apology for a human being that admires Hitler?

(Edited by Reuben at 9:56 pm on Mar. 24, 2002)

[Moskitto]

Er, Rommel actually criticised Hitler heavily, that's why he committed suicide because the Gestapo knew that if they executed him the Nazis would be overthrown by a pretty massive home grown revolution, so they told him to commit suicide.

But Rommel ruled as a general. I mean, if he was incharge of defending France the allies probably wouldn't have been able to invade.

[Rommel]

Reuben, i don't think highly of Hitler, he hadn't a good strategic mind, come'on operation barbarossa and many other lame discions of him, made it impossible for the germans to win the war. I like Rommel he was a smart man, and he took good care for his men, not like Hitler using his own men as living bullet armor ...

[Rosa]

Rommel: are you nazi?
I mean, do you make difference betw people on racial basis?
Are you aware of fact that terminating other races would lead to the end of humans?
Degeneration etc?

[Rommel]

I think strangers are ok, so long they stay in THEIR country not in in the country of a other race. But i don't believe in killing every single of them, then who has the right to make the dif. between who lives and not and at the end it leads to total anhilation ...

[Reuben]

Os point Rommel, I assume you are somebody of European origin livin in a country previously inhabited by Native Americans.

P.S. do you think there is a problem with someon such as myselfwho is of jewish/east european descent living in Britain.

[Moskitto]

Nationalists are moronic hypocrites. The BNPs "Ethnic Liason Officer" is half Turkish and technically he shoudn't have been allowed to join the party in the first place.

[poncho]

Hitler: and his government passed a law known by history as the "final solution", killing off the un-pure of society.

Fidel Castro: banned racism of any form in Cuba...Offers people from other country's free medical training, if they agree to offer doctor services to poor country's or neighborhoods around the world...

I see the comparision..... Typical American slander propaganda! Through out a statement that warrents a reaction of support for the Miami traitor Cubans and hope it sticks.... you support Castro than you have to support Hitler as well.....

The Kaiser Wilhelm Society is credited with giving the Nazi's the scientific research and the reason for "the Final solution" This society was for medical research was started and funded by IG Farben a German oil and chemical company that merged with American company Standard Oil, owned by John D Rockefeller. Its interesting that for tax purposes the American created The Rockefeller Foundation. Rockefeller was such a strong supporter of Nazi Germany, that the U.S government tried to remove the tax free status and the abillity of Non-profit foundations from owning private company's shares.

Find it interesting that one of the groups founded by The Rockefeller Foundation in the 1950's was planned parent hood and one of the other key causes for the past thirty years has been African aid projects. Since the late forties several directors of the Rockefeller Foundation had worked for Dr.Megele and within other medical research and Nazi programs.....

Rockefellers grandson is still on the board of directors of several large banking networks and also heads a group called The Bilderberg Group. Its a group of high ranking business leaders from fortune 500 companies from around the world and world leaders/ key politicians to discuss issue's facing the global economy. This goup formed a commission called the Trilateral Commission! Its basically a think tank that offers foreign affairs and economic advice to NATO and the World bank amongst other things. Several past U.S Presidents and well known business people are members of the group includeing George Bush sr. and Clinton......

Why would the son of a Nazi supporter be invovled in all this, genetic research, planned parenthood, third world development/aid projects and political think tanks?

More things that make you go, HHHHHHHHHHHHHHMMMMMMMMM

[Anonymous]

Notice how Forever Capitalism hasnt responded??
Scared you Cappie Fag,
Cappie, what age are you, where u live and what job u have,

Why you ask? Well i want to examine your situation and tell u if you are being exploited and screwed by your Cappie Gov and system

[pastradamus]

Quote: from Moskitto on 11:10 pm on Mar. 25, 2002
Nationalists are moronic hypocrites.


Hey not all nationalists are hypocrates,well the BNP'S are,but they are not nationalists in the true sense of the word.The IRA are nationalists.The bnp are just bigots.lol moskito.

[Moskitto]

True.

Annother thing is Neo-Nazis now hate Southern Europeans instead of Eastern Europeans and say their forebears did the same and deny everything about the genocide against the Slavic peoples rather than try and tone down it's extent.

[AgustoSandino]

just caused i noticed peacenick mention it, i would like to say once and for all that I am actually named after augusto sandino, and I hold my name sake in a very special place in my heart. But does this mean that i must support those who claim to fight in his name. I'm no somoza supporter, but that doesn't mean that I have to swear allegiance to the sandinista cause, or their ideals. Last time I checked there were more choices than green and brown poo.

[AgustoSandino]

my bad peace, it was derminator, i get you two confused.

[Sasafrás]

HEY, AgustoSandino, where'd you get your avatar? I think I've seen it before on The Onion website..

(Edited by La Rainbeaux at 10:41 pm on Mar. 27, 2002)

[AgustoSandino]

thats where its from

[I Will Deny You]

Quote: from AgustoSandino on 11:29 pm on Mar. 27, 2002
Last time I checked there were more choices than green and brown poo.
If you eat enough tomatoes, it'll be red. And only then will someone be a true socialist.

[Revolution2002]

The basic comparision between Communism and Facism or Nazism is absurd since commies are always as a principle of their belives, anti-racists. If therefore you can prove that fidel is a facist, i will join you in condeming him, but you cant put the whole of communism behind some greatly injust deeds!!!!!

[Moskitto]

If you eat beetroot your urine turns purple.

Infact, these urine colours mean the following.

Clear - You've been drinking loads
Yellow - You haven't been drinking enough or you've had a high protein diet
Blue/Green - You've got Typhus of Cholora
Orange - You've lost a lot of water through sweating
Black - You've been injected with blood from an animal
Brown - You've got blackwater fever
Purple - Too much beetroot or blackberries
Red - You've fucked up your kideneys


(Edited by Moskitto at 8:24 pm on Mar. 28, 2002)