My take on Israel

[spartan]

Is this a sound analysis of Israeli nationhood and its relationship to America?

Outside of the Bible, Israel has absolutely no right to exist at all!

It is simply a modern day recreation of King Herod's Roman puppet state of Judaea designed to serve the intrests of the dominant Empire of the day (In Israel's case it is the later day Roman Empire of America, whilst in Judaea's case it was Rome) in this volatile and resource rich region.

History really does repeat itself.

[Winter]

Is this a sound analysis of Israeli nationhood and its relationship to America?

Outside of the Bible, Israel has absolutely no right to exist at all!

It is simply a modern day recreation of King Herod's Roman puppet state of Judaea designed to serve the intrests of the dominant Empire of the day (In Israel's case it is the later day Roman Empire of America, whilst in Judaea's case it was Rome) in this volatile and resource rich region.

History really does repeat itself.

Technically, Israel was a real place historically. All the bible did was make up fairy tale prophecies for an existing nation at the time. Trully an ethnocentric product to boost morale and meaning for the Israeli people made by the elite classes at that time.

But just because it was a real place does not mean they had a right to kick out and subject an entire people under a new Israeli state!

As for it being a puppet state for access to resources, I agree.

[RNK]

Well, according to history, a burning bush spoke to someone and told him to conquer some land where Israel exists today (reportedly) and colonize it with his worshippers.

Essentially, even thousands of years ago, the "nation" of Israel came about only through violent conquest and the forceful removal of the original inhabitants.

[jake williams]

As for it being a puppet state for access to resources, I agree.
It ain't just about "resources". It's an old colonial impulse to send white people to foreign countries to kick the shit out of the natives, ethnically cleanse, and settle.


Well, according to history, a burning bush spoke to someone and told him to conquer some land where Israel exists today (reportedly) and colonize it with his worshippers.

Essentially, even thousands of years ago, the "nation" of Israel came about only through violent conquest and the forceful removal of the original inhabitants.
Have you read the Bible? There just isn't much in there that isn't about genocide, foreskin, and how desperately Yahweh needs your absolute and solitary approval.

[Winter]

Well, according to history, a burning bush spoke to someone and told him to conquer some land where Israel exists today (reportedly) and colonize it with his worshippers.

Essentially, even thousands of years ago, the "nation" of Israel came about only through violent conquest and the forceful removal of the original inhabitants.

True, but you can make that argument with almost any country when going back in time far enough. :)

[Y Chwyldro Comiwnyddol Cymraeg]

My take on Israel: Racist state...similar to Apartheid SA, just with a religious smokescreen. Religion is the defence os Israel, and the reason it is not as critised as SA was.

[Holden Caulfield]

i found it hilarious when i asked Americans that were at my school why they support Israel when they commented on me bad mouthing it and they said 'as the Jews were there first so it is their land' they live in America a land made from immigration and massacres of the locals

dumb fucks

[Red Blue Pen]

Israel exists only because there are enough Bible believers in the Imperialist States of America, who believe that--per the Bible--the Jews deserve to kick out the native population for the sake of fulfilling prophecy.

[Holden Caulfield]

or perhaps more realistically there are wealthy Jewish lobbists in the USA and so the government gains their money but supporting Israel, money they use to buy votes a la spending £7 million a state in party leadership only campaign,

I would presume that the bible belt god squadders are probably anti-semetic and so only support Israel as they are more anti-islamic than anti-semetic if they care who they supporting their government to bomb

[Y Chwyldro Comiwnyddol Cymraeg]

And politicians also chase the Jewish vote in America

[spartan]

And politicians also chase the Jewish vote in America

Its not so much the Jewish vote but the media vote.

Openly right wing Conservative pro-Israeli Zionist (Either Christian or Jewish) businessmen own a hell of alot of the mainstream media news networks and newspapers in America that are watched and read by millions of Americans respectively (Thus helping in the forming of their opinions).

So if an American politician steers to far away from the pro-Israel line he will have all major mainstream media news networks and newspapers turning against him, which no politician wants as it will more than likely lead to him losing power.

Of course the neo-Nazis, rather stupidly, see this as part of a huge conspiracy where the Jews run the world, but it is actually just a bunch of businessmen who have alot to gain (Financially) from Israel's existence and its policies in this resource rich region of the world and, the dominant Empire of the day, America's support of it.

[MT5678]

So if an American politician steers to far away from the pro-Israel line he will have all major mainstream media news networks and newspapers turning against him, which no politician wants as it will more than likely lead to him losing power.


Which is why Carter's book came out years after he was actually in power.

[SamiBTX]

The idea that Israel should've been created in Europe is absurd.
They have the same rights to Israel-Palestine as the Muslims do.
Jerusalem needs to become an international city, becuase no matter how hard each side tries, niether the Jews or Muslims are going anywhere.

[spartan]

They have the same rights to Israel-Palestine as the Muslims do.

Human beings have the same rights to the holy land, Zionists, who have commited an ethnic cleansing against the original majority population, dont.

The whole point of Israel's existence isnt anything to do with the Bible (That is just an excuse used by both the American and Israeli leadership to justify their obviously illegal occupation of Palestine and brutal ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians), no it is to do with securing American (Whom Israel serve like an obedient dog) intrests in the region.

Why do you think that the American government pumps billions of dollars worth of aid, weapons, etc to Israel each year?

It sure as hell isnt because they think that "Israeli's" have some sort of ancient right to the land because of what some book, writen a few thousand years ago, said.

[Bandito]

'as the Jews were there first so it is their land'
Oh boy!
You have sent some quotes from your school in the past regarding the stupiness of your coleagues,i remember,but this one topped them...
There is really a brainwash(and a sucessfull one) going on in the States...