Communism, Capitalism, Dictators and Democracy

[I Will Deny You]

Lots of the capitalists on this board associate communism with dictatorships, no freedom, one-party systems and loads of other stuff.

But let's look at the facts, shall we? There are capitalist dictatorships and democracies, just as there have been communist dictatorships and democracies. (I'm using the terms "capitalist" and "communist" loosely here--we all know that the USSR wasn't communist and Afghanistan wasn't capitalist, but you know what I mean, so don't be a perfectionist asshole and yell at me for making generalizations.)

Only an idiot would deny these two things: During the Cold War, the United States overthrew every communist government it could, and democracy is a weaker form of government. Of course, the United States couldn't quash every communist revolution, so isn't it only natural that they would be more successful in crushing the peaceful, democratically elected governments? This is why Cuba is still communist but Guatemala is not, why Vietnam is still communist but Chile is not.

So enough with this "there's no such thing as a communist democracy" bullshit. There's no such thing as a communist democracy because the United States repeatedly ignored the wishes of South American people and because they would rather see a capitalist with no respect for human rights (such as Pinochet) in power, instead of a communist who is loved by the prolateriat (such as Allende) in power.

Three cheers for democracy! Three cheers for the will of the people! Five cheers for human rights! No cheers for the USA.

[El Che]

Very good point. The undemocratic from of socialist goverment in third world nations was, and to some extent still is, a response to foriegn aggression. Just like socialism presents its self as the only way out from a life of terrbile misery in these contries, so does "dictatorship of the proletariet" present its self as the only way to maintain socialist gains. The Socialist state does not become a dictatorship by choice but by necessity. To ignore this is to be above all naive.

[I Will Deny You]

If none of the capitalists respond, does that mean I'm right?

[Moskitto]

"there's no such thing as a communist democracy"

the Nicaraguan elections were more democratic than the US elections because they were directly proportional representation rather than electoral college.

Also it was the Contras (US backed) who were closing down the polling stations, not the Sandinistas.

Annother thing, The USSR didn't start arming the Sandinistas, the French did.

[sabre]

speaking of allende

my best friends mom is Chilean, and lived there under pinochet and allende

and has hatred for both of them, i simply MENTIONED allende and she had a spaz attack and liek flahsbacks it was HORRIFIC

[I Will Deny You]

Quote: from Moskitto on 8:58 pm on Mar. 22, 2002

Also it was the Contras (US backed) who were closing down the polling stations, not the Sandinistas.
The fact that the Contras were funded by sales of cocaine by the "Just Say No" administration and sales of weapons to terrorists proves that they were complete pondscum.