How to mobilize the masses to join our organization?

[sunfarstar]

I talk about our party (Chinese Revolutionary Party [Marxist-Leninist]) time of the initial creation. Initially we have only three people I [Hua Qiao], Ying Xie (female), Major Dong (M). Then in the first few months, we established our Internet home page, but we can agree with the political views of a few people. Then we organized a study, the main reading a written works of Marx and Lenin and <Empire - imperialist globalization and political order>, we organized a number of people writing articles and book reviews. Later, we also built a liaison MSN group, specifically for you in the above discussion. Since then we have also recently built a circle, the establishment of a new functional group. [Http://www.niwota.com/quan/11766620/]. We are now encountering the problem is how to attract more people to join our party, I personally, I try to political campaigns and with the environmental movement, we also have a member of their ideas. China is now in rapid industrialization period after the entry of non-material gradually in the Labor dominated. We support a democratic society, we hope that our political parties can in the future become a new political force boarded China's political arena. Now we urgently need the people here gives us a good idea, to help us to expand the ranks.
Thank you!
Long live the revolution!

[RedAnarchist]

I'm going to get the Admins to trash it because its a double post.

[sunfarstar]

I just explained what our experience, if you do not think it appropriate, as it can be thrown into the garbage containers. However, I hope that I was able to have the help from the theory, practice, as well as all possible help!

[RedStarOverChina]

他说你同样的题目多发了一遍。。。

[mario_buda]

why should anyone join anyone who considers them masses?

[chegitz guevara]

I'm kinda massive myself, actually.

[Dimentio]

I talk about our party (Chinese Revolutionary Party [Marxist-Leninist]) time of the initial creation. Initially we have only three people I [Hua Qiao], Ying Xie (female), Major Dong (M). Then in the first few months, we established our Internet home page, but we can agree with the political views of a few people. Then we organized a study, the main reading a written works of Marx and Lenin and <Empire - imperialist globalization and political order>, we organized a number of people writing articles and book reviews. Later, we also built a liaison MSN group, specifically for you in the above discussion. Since then we have also recently built a circle, the establishment of a new functional group. [Http://www.niwota.com/quan/11766620/] (Http://www.niwota.com/quan/11766620/%5D). We are now encountering the problem is how to attract more people to join our party, I personally, I try to political campaigns and with the environmental movement, we also have a member of their ideas. China is now in rapid industrialization period after the entry of non-material gradually in the Labor dominated. We support a democratic society, we hope that our political parties can in the future become a new political force boarded China's political arena. Now we urgently need the people here gives us a good idea, to help us to expand the ranks.
Thank you!
Long live the revolution!

Scrap the vanguard idea.

Otherwise it will just end up as China today.

[RNK]

Very excellent suggestion Serpent, I'm sure our comrades in China will be able to utilize the information you've presented.


What you need to do, sunfarstar, is organize first a small core group of dedicated supporters who are willing to dedicate time and energy into your organization. You need to establish committees of support wherever you can, print literary material, publish pamphlets and leaflets and distribute them.

The basis of your activity must be based on the conditions in China today and must address issues in society and economics. It is my opinion that the Communist Party of China has become a bloated, beauraucratic, and inhuman machine which works for nothing more now than the exploitation of workers and the generation of capital profit from that exploitation. Given the rich revolutionary history of China, you need to reaffirm your message of China needing to head down the revolutionary path once again, to undo the revisionist damage done to the revolution of the Chinese people by the Dengist traitors over the past 35 years.

In this phase of your organization, the creation and distribution of propaganda and literature is your highest priority -- this is how you will attract support. You must provide a critical and materialist analysis of China's situation and atleast lay the groundwork for progress.

Good luck comrades!

[mario_buda]

RNK, your suggestions will create the same situation that exists in china. A new revolutionary cadre will replace the old. Same boring fucking shit.

[Sankofa]

像我们这样的外国人帮助你们的最好方法是什么？

[sunfarstar]

We are seeking legitimacy. Because so far, our organization is illegal. It is difficult to imagine in a so-called "communist" countries can not organize a political party nature of the Communist Party, which is the symbol of totalitarianism. We hope that our foreign friends will be more local advocacy in our political views, and allow more people to join our parties in the past, thus forming a vanguard. Long live the friendship between the revolution!

[Die Neue Zeit]

^^^ Why not call yourselves "Social-Proletocrats"?

Thanks to an insightful post by Alan Maki (an anti-revisionist within the CPUSA), this is basically a synthesis of "playful" threads and out-of-board messages of mine, since I've decided that enough "shit-chat" has been made:

Anybody in Oregon, Washington state, or BC? (http://www.revleft.com/vb/anybody-oregon-washington-t71542/index.html)
Is the term "communist" beyond saving (at the moment)? (http://www.revleft.com/vb/term-communist-beyond-t71765/index.html)
Russian Proletarism (http://www.soviet-empire.com/ussr/viewtopic.php?t=32726&sid=c95352ef4e0190c7b1f5729d78fd5f5c
)
Rescuing Lenin from the Leninists (http://www.revleft.com/vb/rescuing-lenin-leninists-t70028/index.html)
Merge Marxism with the workers' movement! (http://www.revleft.com/vb/merge-marxism-workers-t70141/index.html)
United social labor: name for the pre-party mass organization??? (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pof-300/message/1911)



In addition, I have agitated in recent days outside of this board for greater awareness of the word "proletocracy" (rule by the working class) Regardless of whether this workers-only organization I want to help build is explicitly "social-proletocratic" (one tendency) or for "united social labour" (multi-tendency) but with an explicitly "social-proletocratic" tendency, the pre-revolutionary strategy for this workers' organization is very simple, and goes all the way back to the words of "pre-renegade" Kautsky: the revolutionary merger of Marxism and the workers' movement.

[sunfarstar]

We face a lot of contradictions, on the one hand our strength are too weak and small, on the other hand now in China is very strict ban on the political stage. Did you know? Organizations in China to more than 200 public meetings and processions needs the approval of the public security departments, we are now We can not expose the entire organization, we have launched a lot of the grassroots people to participate in our organization, but that people are brave dare to do things. we urgently need to strengthen our organization, to participate in political struggle. funds, the shortage, organized the tedious work, there is a range of difficulties. we want the world to the communist propaganda us for our political views, so that more people agree with our ideas.

[RNK]

RNK, your suggestions will create the same situation that exists in china. A new revolutionary cadre will replace the old. Same boring fucking shit.

:rolleyes:

The social and economic situation in China is far different than it was in 1949. Beyond that, we have the advantage of the lessons of history. Anyway, don't bug me, you're stupid.

Sunfarstar, I'd love to see some of the propaganda work your organization is creating. Do you have any on-hand?

[sunfarstar]

RNK:
Some of our members to participate in our regular school activities, they wrote some articles, novels, to reflect the social realities. We have not yet got the ability to hold more large-scale activities. If you are interested in novels, I can translation to you

[Die Neue Zeit]

We face a lot of contradictions, on the one hand our strength are too weak and small, on the other hand now in China is very strict ban on the political stage. Did you know? Organizations in China to more than 200 public meetings and processions needs the approval of the public security departments, we are now We can not expose the entire organization, we have launched a lot of the grassroots people to participate in our organization, but that people are brave dare to do things. we urgently need to strengthen our organization, to participate in political struggle. funds, the shortage, organized the tedious work, there is a range of difficulties. we want the world to the communist propaganda us for our political views, so that more people agree with our ideas.

Comrade, your experience is not unlike that of a small group in the Soviet Union during the late 70s:

http://proletarism.org/m1str.shtml
http://struggle.net/proletarism/index.htm

The first thing you need to do amongst your working-class audience is to distinguish yourselves from the "Communist" Party of China. RNK, I'm afraid that adding the adjective "Revolutionary" to the name won't do.

The ONLY way to do this is to rename your organization, and I strongly recommend "Social-Proletocratic Party."

[RNK]

RNK:
Some of our members to participate in our regular school activities, they wrote some articles, novels, to reflect the social realities. We have not yet got the ability to hold more large-scale activities. If you are interested in novels, I can translation to you

Yes, please please do!

I have a question for you -- ideologically, where does your organization stand, and what are its views of the revolutionary period of China (circa 1949)?

Jacob> :rolleyes:

[sunfarstar]

By two friends: Our party is different from the Communist Party of China is that it is very young, we have neither the Soviet Union is similar to the late 1970s is not the groups in 1949 after the Chinese Communist Party, the extension of the product can be said that our party is " Suddenly, "in the context of globalization and the emergence of political organization. Theoretically speaking, we belong to the New Left, the composition of our complex, virtually no industrial workers, we are engaged in the non-physical labor. from this <Empire> on the definition of view, we live in the top floor of labor, according to Gramsci's ideas, we have a cultural leadership, but only culture is not enough, we have to expand our fields of practice. from Personally, I try to revolutionary action and the environmental movement together. revolution is a large-scale change the ideology of the masses. before (in China has not "reform and opening up" period) China is in a pre-industrial era, but now, China and the world has entered a post-industrial synchronous period. world's political and economic culture is one of these

[Die Neue Zeit]

^^^ I was referring to the political superstructure, though. You're right on the job occupation differences, though:

http://struggle.net/proletarism/index.htm


Razlatsky's underground group organized workers for strikes and similar work stoppages in defense of their basic rights. The authorities eventually discovered the existence of this group and in December 1981 Razlatsky and one of his collaborators, Grigorii Isaev, were arrested and sent to the Gulag. Eventually, under Gorbachev, they were released. Razlatsky died in 1989. Isaev went on to lead a very militant strike (in 1997?) of five thousand workers (which included a factory occupation and the months' long blockage of the main avenue in Samara, a city of 1.5 million). Isaev was arrested twice in the course of this struggle and each time released under international pressure.



Nevertheless, the Chinese authorities, much like the Soviet ones, have discredited the word "Communist" to ordinary workers, such that even a mere change of name is needed. Anybody can have a "revolutionary party" like yours, and the "Marxist-Leninist" add-on may turn off a lot of workers too accustomed to watching propaganda related to "Marxism-Leninism, Mao Zedong Thought, and Deng Xiaoping Theory."




Jacob> :rolleyes:

Keep rolling your eyes anyway, because I am determined to spread awareness of need for this name change to "social proletocracy," on theoretical (Kautsky's revolutionary merger formula), historical (revisionist "Marxism-Leninism"), and current grounds (the liberalization of "communist" parties which you yourself decry). :glare:

[Sankofa]

sunfarstar朋友， 请问建立一个政治组织有多危险 ～？

如果政府不喜欢你的组织 ，惩罚有多严重？ :(

[sunfarstar]

To the above two friends: When we first established, the Government's National Security Council is to intervene before. Reason why we can not in a communist countries to establish the nature of the Communist Party of the political organization. Them tongue-tied. Myself the Beijing Public Security Bureau and the Shanghai Public Security Bureau, the Security Police found two talk, but it did not prevent us from the exposure of the secret organization. we are now semi-public activities, but also to strive for a certain degree of social compassion. we want more China is now in the circumstances play a role. Therefore, we are faced with team building and construction, and other aspects of the problem. We are too weak and small and that the rumors in 2009 China will open up religious ban and we hope that in the near future , the Chinese government ban on political parties can also open and this we can legally to the board of the China's political arena.

We confidently! Long live the revolution!

[RNK]

You sound like you've already had major theoretical development sunfarstar. I would love to see any translations your group has available for any theoretical texts.

[sunfarstar]

1:Environmental protection is a political issue, the industrial revolution. China is rapidly entering the post-industrial period, which is China's Revolutionary Party [Marxist-Leninist] main points. Let labor in the non-material and material labor. However, we still need a lot of material production. We not only to promote the idea of environmental protection, but also promote the use of embracing technology. limited to the material into the economic cycle.
2:In the Marxist view: The world is not only material, it is movement. We are already entering a quality of substitute energy era. The main source of energy is solar energy, all the world's energy consumption and the accumulation can be seen as solar changes. China's Revolutionary Party [Marxist-Leninist] that we Chinese are now entering a crucial period.
3:Wind energy, tidal energy are all the changes in the form of solar energy. Oil, coal, natural gas, flammable ice also is the form of solar energy accumulated over the years. China Revolutionary Party [Marxist-Leninist] that the total energy reserves have been consumed all day. So it is necessary to supply energy from the fundamental changes in the way done.
4:Material production is the same, mass-produced products if they can not enter the economic cycle, it will become garbage. Originally and the world is no garbage, only in the wrong place resources. China Revolutionary Party [Marxist-Leninist] think that we should vigorously promoting recycling economy so that resources be more fully utilized.
5:China large part of people's awareness of environmental protection or nothing. Are unconscious. A characteristic of the Chinese people, as long as the vital interests of their own and related only to matters of concern. Because the environment is not a profound impact on the people that we ignore the environment. China Revolutionary Party [Marxist-Leninist] is to awaken people's time
6:Modern environmental movement is developed from the 1970s, has been 30 years. Now in the productivity of the factors impeding China and many, many new technologies to our application. Gradually formed the middle class in China should become a major force. China Revolutionary Party [ Marxist-Leninist] launched such a group of people that is very necessary.
7:A number of new human beings have been aware of the importance of environmental issues, but there is no good way. Personal power are limited, then how do good are futile. China need now is to form a force to become a campaigns, and the key is the role of leaders. China Revolutionary Party [Marxist-Leninist] that our responsibility is unshirkable.
8:Thermal air pollution situation is very serious, some sense of social responsibility of enterprises have been aware of this. Eradication of this situation depends on the strength at the same time to break the monopoly. Government environmental protection should be given to such enterprises to better policies . China Revolutionary Party [Marxist-Leninist] believe that we should have the ability to
9:Environmental problems are universal. Some developed countries but some high-pollution projects transferred to the developing countries such as China, we lack the means constraints, it is a pity and we should create its own conditions can change the reality of the means. China Revolutionary Party [Marxist-Leninist] is uphold such a purpose of the revolutionary forces.
10:In China, there are many non-profit public-interest organizations, how to bring them into the environmental movement is an urgent need to solve the problems. Only more groups involved in environmental protection campaigns in the past to promote environmental protection in all sorts of ways , in support of environmental protection, and environmental protection undertakings have hope. China Revolutionary Party [Marxist-Leninist] hope that we can become the vanguard of this inside.

[sunfarstar]

to:RNK:
Above aspects of our immature thinking, we will implement our actions, and we try to large-scale revolutionary movement and the public with the environmental movement, in order to expand our team and this will not and to Work of the Government how the conflict. circumvent our existence as a political party by the risk At the same time we have made this world is due contributions. congratulate you on your work happily health

[Dros]

Sunfarstar: I'm so happy to hear that you are organizing a revolutionary Marxist-Leninist party in China. If you are translating your materials anyway, I too would love to have a look at them if that is possible. I wish you the best of luck in your difficult task!

Just one question: What is your opinion on Mao Zedong and the Cultural Revolution?

Jacob: Noone cares that you want to rename our parties "Social-Proletocractic Party". I can't think of a name that is harder to say (Vivacious Insurrectionaly Party for Antidisestablishmentarianism?) or that sounds more revisionist / Trotskyist.

[Marsella]

heoretically speaking, we belong to the New Left, the composition of our complex, virtually no industrial workers, we are engaged in the non-physical labor.

Comrade, are you saying that your party has no workers?

[darkened day 92]

I talk about our party (Chinese Revolutionary Party [Marxist-Leninist]) time of the initial creation. Initially we have only three people I [Hua Qiao], Ying Xie (female), Major Dong (M). Then in the first few months, we established our Internet home page, but we can agree with the political views of a few people. Then we organized a study, the main reading a written works of Marx and Lenin and <Empire - imperialist globalization and political order>, we organized a number of people writing articles and book reviews. Later, we also built a liaison MSN group, specifically for you in the above discussion. Since then we have also recently built a circle, the establishment of a new functional group. [Http://www.niwota.com/quan/11766620/]. We are now encountering the problem is how to attract more people to join our party, I personally, I try to political campaigns and with the environmental movement, we also have a member of their ideas. China is now in rapid industrialization period after the entry of non-material gradually in the Labor dominated. We support a democratic society, we hope that our political parties can in the future become a new political force boarded China's political arena. Now we urgently need the people here gives us a good idea, to help us to expand the ranks.
Thank you!
Long live the revolution!
I think the best way is to include great diversity if u r marxist lenninst then only maxist lenninst people would join i think u need to encourge people of human rights that have leftist tendencies, womans rights, children's rights,ect. I think u as a marxist would scare away all the people that are somewhat religious say that you respect all religions and if ur really good u tell them that equality is a part of religion. Don't be fixed on only hardcore philosphical and economical talks of marx and lennin but also try to simplfy ur ideas so a normal farmer that will never own a computer understand it. Of course most importantly treat all equal. Simplfy the situation of china and how it's not true socialism. Tell them that true socialism will fix their problems in an easy way but in the same way try to make them feel intellectual and brave because they are.
Good Luck
Most importantly respect all their ideas and belifs

[Marsella]

I think the best way is to include great diversity if u r marxist lenninst then only maxist lenninst people would join i think u need to encourge people of human rights that have leftist tendencies, womans rights, children's rights,ect. I think u as a marxist would scare away all the people that are somewhat religious say that you respect all religions and if ur really good u tell them that equality is a part of religion. Don't be fixed on only hardcore philosphical and economical talks of marx and lennin but also try to simplfy ur ideas so a normal farmer that will never own a computer understand it. Of course most importantly treat all equal. Simplfy the situation of china and how it's not true socialism. Tell them that true socialism will fix their problems in an easy way but in the same way try to make them feel intellectual and brave because they are.
Good Luck
Most importantly respect all their ideas and belifs

Not that I agree with you, but Sunfarstar stated above that there were rumours that China might lift the religious ban in 2009 (which might also extend to political parties) and also the environmental stance. It didn't sound like typical ML sloganeering :P.

[sunfarstar]

drosera99:
In this issue there is no burden. We are too young. Mao Zedong and the Cultural Revolution from us too far and we are accompanied by Deng Xiaoping's reform and opening up a new generation to grow up. Course, I read the Selected Works of Mao Zedong and Deng Xiaoping's Selected Works, and even I also read a lot of the older generation of proletarian revolutionaries of the book, but we have our own unique view. our deep for the thesis of Marxism-Leninism and impressed, and that is: capitalism has until today there is no further development on the possibility of , imperialism evolved into Empire (Maikehate Antonio, Gerry and the book <Empire>), the discourse of globalization scenario, the foundation has been shaken capitalism today all local events are global sexual, and this is the butterfly effect. industrial workers and information workers to the joint together for the common fate of cheering, the organization is no longer a difficult incident, but the question is how to achieve scale.

[sunfarstar]

marsella:
Indeed, our political parties are indeed not a strict sense of the manual workers, we have a very complicated job, and some of the members seem more like self-employment is the freedom of intellectuals. Today's China, the meaning is that workers from the rural areas to urban farmers to make a living, as much as the volume of Jiganyi. we call "migrant workers." only in China have such a special phenomenon of the large-scale movement of persons only to leave the city to go seek land a job. Actually, in the initial creation of the Communist Party of China, many of them workers is not ah. you on China's history of revolution and the world than I should have more understanding. hope you can understand

[sunfarstar]

We have just held a news conference to show our strength