My random theoretical slide to a new world order, feel free to give idea

[phil22091991]

basicly people are scared of the left becase of the negetive pro-capitalist media and govenment so, create a moderate "democratic" party and somehow get ellected, then give some reasons to merge the other party's into your or disband the right wing ones, so now you can get things through easily, while the mindless populace are distracted by varouse parades and world events, casually iniate the slow slide into socialism ( possibly slightly authoritarian) and eventually the goal of course is communism and a truly united sociaty that works .


give me ideas.
thanks :cool:

[bloody_capitalist_sham]

Socialism cannot be brought into existence by legislation or decree but only by mass popular movements and the self action and self organisation of the working class.

When in a pre-revolutionary situation, the media will change in accordance in an effort to make the movement more conservative, but Fox news wont be able to pump out the nonsense they do now, people's experience will just tell them its all a lie. We see this now in terms of the iraq war and the mustering surrounding and invasion of iran.

top down socialism will never work im afraid.

[phil22091991]

thats sounds about right, but i'll just say to the people out there who think the UK will have some kind of revolution. . . . .they wont for the simple reason, the British people are too polite so the only way in for the left is the seizure or power leagily via the state, but yeah it would'nt be true socialism, but more of a kind of weird mix of the semi-socialist system we have no and Leninism and a little authoritarian eutopiaism (i appologise for the spelling)

keep the ideas coming
phil

[bloody_capitalist_sham]

thats sounds about right, but i'll just say to the people out there who think the UK will have some kind of revolution. . . . .they wont for the simple reason, the British people are too polite so the only way in for the left is the seizure or power leagily via the state, but yeah it would'nt be true socialism, but more of a kind of weird mix of the semi-socialist system we have no and Leninism and a little authoritarian eutopiaism (i appologise for the spelling)

keep the ideas coming
phil

don't worry about the spelling comrade. I use firefox and installed the dictionary so you can change it, like it does in Microsoft word.

but anyway.

You cannot discount the UK for having a revolution because people here are allegedly polite. It's like discounting the French because they like sex and wine (again allegedly).

The UK will have a revolution when the right circumstances are in place.

But, Leninism is the understanding that strategy and tactics change according to the situation in which you live. Like, at the moment, you can use the parliamentary system and trade unions to gain influence, and calling for revolution will be stupid. But, the reverse is true in pre-revolutionary situations.

i would read the 'communist manifesto'. you can read it here comrade. http://www.anu.edu.au/polsci/marx/classics/manifesto.html

[BIG BROTHER]

basicly people are scared of the left becase of the negetive pro-capitalist media and govenment so, create a moderate "democratic" party and somehow get ellected, then give some reasons to merge the other party's into your or disband the right wing ones, so now you can get things through easily, while the mindless populace are distracted by varouse parades and world events, casually iniate the slow slide into socialism ( possibly slightly authoritarian) and eventually the goal of course is communism and a truly united sociaty that works .


give me ideas.
thanks :cool:

That's kinda like what Chavez is trying to do in Venezuela. He's trying to use the goverment to create a socialist country, rather than starting an armed revolution.

A lot of comrades though think the only real way of getting a socialist country is through an armed struggle.

Also at least according to Marx's communist manifiesto, you would fall on the category of "Utopian socialism"

[Holden Caulfield]

democratic election could bring about socialism with out a revolution however this would rely on non rigged elections, and would most probably result in the need for an armed milita system of some sort to defend the 'democratic revolution' from those who wish to destroy it and restore their own opressive systems

[Red October]

You can't use elections to trick people into socialism, the people have to bring it about by themselves. The goal of communists shouldn't be to slither their way into power in a capitalist state so they can "get things through easily, while the mindless populace are distracted". Communism comes through organizing people and spreading class consciousness among the masses, not from fooling people and forcing it on them. That's totally anti-communist, not to mention totally impractical.

[phil22091991]

thats sounds about right again, i do have a copy somewhere and i think one from the former USSR as well, i do agree when the conditions are right there is more liuely to be a revolution but in the UK things will have to get pretty damm bad for that kind of thing as all of our govenmens are moderate so we don't really have much to complain about without sounding wingey

[Cryotank Screams]

basicly people are scared of the left becase of the negetive pro-capitalist media and govenment so, create a moderate "democratic" party and somehow get ellected, then give some reasons to merge the other party's into your or disband the right wing ones, so now you can get things through easily, while the mindless populace are distracted by varouse parades and world events, casually iniate the slow slide into socialism ( possibly slightly authoritarian) and eventually the goal of course is communism and a truly united sociaty that works .



"The master's tools will never dismantle the master's house."-Audre Lorde.

As other members have said Socialism can and will only occur via proletarian revolution; it simply can not occur by evolution, reforms, schemes, etc.

[phil22091991]

ok, ok i was kinda hoping for idea to take over the country people, feel free to give them