Mobilizing and creating a guerrilla force.

[Revolution4TheHellOfIt]

How would the revolutionary left unify and wage war against capitalism and their tools i.e the police and military. Also how would the said guerrilla force be organized would it be similar to the states armed force or completely different? BTW im not talking about riots i mean actually taking back whats ours and fighting for the people, not just throwing around Molotov cocktail i mean a type of guerrilla war that che would be proud of.

[BIG BROTHER]

I recomend that you read:

Mao Tse-Tung on Guerrilla Warfare

Altough I consider Mao a traitor for not following the same principles and ideology he "supported" he was a great military lider and this book I believe will answer your answers.

[renegadoe]

The TC needs to be more clear about the context and material conditions within which his question applies. For example, historically, urban guerrilla warfare has not been a methodology favorable for revolutionaries in "advanced" or "developed" capitalist countries. The Weathermen, the RAF, and Brigade Rosse all demonstrated the failure of the guerrilla paradigm for we in America, or Western Europe. When the proletariat is not class consciousness (generally due to its material conditions - eg., relative economic prosperity, lack of imperialist war, lack of any prominent social struggle) guerrilla tactics will be interpreted as "terrorism", and thus these actions actually improve the image of the state, and allow it a conduit for becoming more authoritarian. Again, if you live in what they call the "first world" - guerrilla warfare is not for you.

If this is not the case, all I can recommend is the Minimanual of the Urban Guerrilla (http://www.marxists.org/archive/marighella-carlos/1969/06/minimanual-urban-guerrilla/index.htm) by Carlos Marighella (a leader of the Brazilian ALN), Che Guevara's Guerrilla Warfare, or the aforementioned work by Mao Tse-tung. There are many disagreements, however, at how effective these methods are. For example, urban guerrilla warfare didn't work that well for the ALN, and Che could only see his theory through in one country. Mao's methodology is very useful if one is living in a country where the vast majority of the population is peasantry, with few, underdeveloped urban centres.

[last_angry_man]

as renegadoe already stated, "how" to organize this type of effort is not as important as the question of whether it makes any sense to attempt this type of movement in a particular society. The nuts and bolts of "how" have been well documented and a few links have already been provided. But even a remarkably well organized, funded and dedicated revolutionary cadre will be little more than target practice for the imperialist armies if they do not have popular support. It can work, even against superior force (see Vietnam) but only if the existing government does not have the support of the people and if the masses see the guerilla army as a viable means to a new beginning.

[BIG BROTHER]

as renegadoe already stated, "how" to organize this type of effort is not as important as the question of whether it makes any sense to attempt this type of movement in a particular society. The nuts and bolts of "how" have been well documented and a few links have already been provided. But even a remarkably well organized, funded and dedicated revolutionary cadre will be little more than target practice for the imperialist armies if they do not have popular support. It can work, even against superior force (see Vietnam) but only if the existing government does not have the support of the people and if the masses see the guerilla army as a viable means to a new beginning.

That's one of the esential teachings in the book written by Mao, a guerrilla needs mass support in order to succed.

Although renegadoe made a good point Mao's theory and guerrilla warfare in particular isn't very effective in urban warfare.

[Revolution4TheHellOfIt]

When i wrote this i was thinking about creating a guerrilla resistance in the southeastern united states and the Appalachian states a place were there is alot poverty and racism still to this day. I believe my first step is to create solidarity amongst the races then show them how capitalism has fucked them and their families, is this proposition possible or am i dreaming?
Another reason i chose this location is the fact that it is mountainous which i believe is a plus for the guerrilla revolutionary.

Also i like to thank you my comrades for the advice.

[BIG BROTHER]

Well to be honest comrade, I think starting a guerrilla in the US without support from any other country is nearly impossible. Mexico is even poorer and during the 60's when some comrades tried to start guerrilla movements they were quickly crushed even though the Mexican army isn't as powerful as the united states army would be.

and yes mountains are pretty good places but again I think your task is a really hard one.

[black magick hustla]

this thread is horrible and the mentality of the thread starter is silly

i would uinderstand why would someone want to read guerilla theory for educational purposes, but goddamn kids fantasizing about a guerrilla in the US only leads to funny college hipsters blowing up police stations (hello weathermen)

[RNK]

Here we go again with that liberalized disgust for anything violent.

[Winter]

When i wrote this i was thinking about creating a guerrilla resistance in the southeastern united states and the Appalachian states a place were there is alot poverty and racism still to this day. I believe my first step is to create solidarity amongst the races then show them how capitalism has fucked them and their families, is this proposition possible or am i dreaming?
Another reason i chose this location is the fact that it is mountainous which i believe is a plus for the guerrilla revolutionary.

Also i like to thank you my comrades for the advice.

You really don't want to try anything like that without massive support from a world-wide Socialist community. If it were that simple, many of us who post on this board would have already done so. You seem very passionate about what you believe in, and that is good. Getting information about Socialism out to the mainstream is good, but don't do anything that will likely get the attention of the government. You don't want to end up in Gitmo without any explanations.

Get out the word and wait for the right moment before taking any brash actions.

[Marsella]

Here we go again with that liberalized disgust for anything violent.

Far from it.

I find it laughable that American kids, with their idolized views on war, contemplate starting an insurgency in their own country.

Its fucking insulting to people who have actually lived through war and suffered its consequences.

Moreover, as renegadoe suggested, there is absolutely no basis for an insurgency of any sort in America. Its Blanquism at its best. I wouldn't expect much more from someone with the username 'Revolution4TheHellOfIt'

It perpetuates an ideal that revolution is led by a small guerrilla force.


When i wrote this i was thinking about creating a guerrilla resistance in the southeastern united states and the Appalachian states a place were there is alot poverty and racism still to this day. I believe my first step is to create solidarity amongst the races then show them how capitalism has fucked them and their families, is this proposition possible or am i dreaming?

Yes you are dreaming. Wake up from your wet dreams about guerrilla warfare.


Another reason i chose this location is the fact that it is mountainous which i believe is a plus for the guerrilla revolutionary.

:rolleyes:


Also i like to thank you my comrades for the advice.

Here is my advice: organize, organize and organize!

[blackstone]

I actually had a dream recently i was in a warzone, people around me getting riddled with bullets, and explosion there and body parts flying through the air and landing by me..

Needless to say, when i woke up. My views on guerrilla warfare changed. My father use to always say "war is hell" and he sure is right.

I think the problem is alot of us don't realize how serious it is.

Not Glamour nor Glory.

When we imagine guerilla warfare with us in it, we always assume we'll make it to the end, and witness the overthrow of the government.

You don't imagine yourself stepping on a landmine, losing a leg or arm, being blinded or getting killed.

Who daydreams like that?

No, in your daydreams, it's your squad that actually takes over the capitol. Maybe even in your daydreams, your the leader of the squad, platoon or even the whole militia!

Look at your post.

I, I , I, I.

I was thinking about creating a guerrilla resistance in the southeastern united states and the Appalachian states

I believe my first step is to create solidarity amongst the races then show them how capitalism has fucked them and their families,

I believe is a plus for the guerrilla revolutionary.

This sounds good to you, because it's I. Meaning, your the one in control. What if it's not I, but we. What if "we" were not the ones in control, but the ones on the front lines under a storm of bullets with a high chance of being struck and killed?

That's it game over. You get shot in the head. I look over like damn, and keep moving on. Maybe the revolt will succeed, but probably not. But no matter what, your gone. It's not like your daydreams at all.

[Dros]

When i wrote this i was thinking about creating a guerrilla resistance in the southeastern united states and the Appalachian states a place were there is alot poverty and racism still to this day. I believe my first step is to create solidarity amongst the races then show them how capitalism has fucked them and their families, is this proposition possible or am i dreaming?
Another reason i chose this location is the fact that it is mountainous which i believe is a plus for the guerrilla revolutionary.

Also i like to thank you my comrades for the advice.


you are dreaming

you will get shat on

I am 100% in agreement with Blackstone here.

[Revolution4TheHellOfIt]

Ok, i understand that a guerrilla war in america at this time is highly unlikely to succeed and my energy should be spent some were more productive. this brings me about to another question how does one organize?

[rouchambeau]

i would uinderstand why would someone want to read guerilla theory for educational purposes, but goddamn kids fantasizing about a guerrilla in the US only leads to funny college hipsters blowing up police stations (hello weathermen)

And that's...bad?

[black magick hustla]

its not "bad", its just stupid

and the fact that the people doing it where berkley dropouts says a lot about that strategy:)

[black magick hustla]

Here we go again with that liberalized disgust for anything violent.

its not a disgust for for anything "violent", its a disgust for stupid hipsters reading too much che guevara and fantasizing about leading an armed insurrection.

being against violence is not inherently liberal- In fact, a lot of people who identify as maoists are nothing more than liberals with a gun fetish.

[RNK]

being against violence is not inherently liberal-

No, but when there's no material arguement against it and the most coherent retort amounts to nothing more than sarcasm than it's a safe bet it's liberal tripe. ;)

[black magick hustla]

No, but when there's no material arguement against it and the most coherent retort amounts to nothing more than sarcasm than it's a safe bet it's liberal tripe. ;)

poor sarcastic fellas, because they didn't post in this thread. :)