"Red Christianity" and Opression Olympics

[black magick hustla]

The stench of christianity is breathed by the lungful by a lot of people in the left.

I am tired of that bullshit of, the most "opressed" and "miserable" you are, the most revolutionary you are. This is so incredibly unmarxist, and is more a kin to liberalism than anything else. This is also the line taken by many "thirdworldists". However, the only people bold enough (and crazy enough) to bring that line to its conclusion are MIMites, who are nothing more than violent liberals.

The proletariat is the revolutionary class because the economy is built on its back. Opression is also part of this, but it is not the main thing that makes the proletariat a revolutionary category.

The most miserable and wretched people are generally immersed in sectarian conflicts rather than revolutionary class struggle. The most confident of their capablities as a class are generally more "well off" workers, like the ones in the ranks of Unions, etc. Its erroneous to think that it is despair that breeds militancy. It can help breeding it, but it seems to me that class action emerges more from confidence than anything else.

[IronColumn]

Agreed. But the vast majority of those people are middle class students anyways, so bourgeois ideology is only to be expected.

[cyu]

MIMites
What are MIMites?

[Raúl Duke]

A little internet group movement that is in California (I think) and considers all sex in capitalism /patriarchy to be rape, all the 1st world proletariat to be imperialistic labor aristocrats (etc), and other things. They also write "odd" using United $nakes, Amerikkka, etc.

Supposedly revleft was strong enough to (temporary? permenatly?) retire their movement.

It was never much of a movement...although I always wodnered if they disliked 1st world workers why didn't the go and join the revolutionary movements in the 3rd world?

[Dros]

The stench of christianity is breathed by the lungful by a lot of people in the left.

I am tired of that bullshit of, the most "opressed" and "miserable" you are, the most revolutionary you are. This is so incredibly unmarxist, and is more a kin to liberalism than anything else. This is also the line taken by many "thirdworldists". However, the only people bold enough (and crazy enough) to bring that line to its conclusion are MIMites, who are nothing more than violent liberals.

The proletariat is the revolutionary class because the economy is built on its back. Opression is also part of this, but it is not the main thing that makes the proletariat a revolutionary category.

The most miserable and wretched people are generally immersed in sectarian conflicts rather than revolutionary class struggle. The most confident of their capablities as a class are generally more "well off" workers, like the ones in the ranks of Unions, etc. Its erroneous to think that it is despair that breeds militancy. It can help breeding it, but it seems to me that class action emerges more from confidence than anything else.

I'm very confused.:confused:

What is going on?

Is this a polemic about Christianity or people whining about how oppressed they are?

Or is this a critic of MIM's refuted a million times aristocracy line?

[chegitz guevara]

What are MIMites?

Tiny creatures that live among the left feeding off it's detritus.

[BanderaRoja]

"The most miserable and wretched people are generally immersed in sectarian conflicts rather than revolutionary class struggle. The most confident of their capablities as a class are generally more "well off" workers, like the ones in the ranks of Unions, etc. Its erroneous to think that it is despair that breeds militancy. It can help breeding it, but it seems to me that class action emerges more from confidence than anything else."

I don't see how this is true, comrade. The most miserable and wretched people in the world are generally workers and peasants in the industrializing or unindustrialized countries, places like northern South America, southeast Asia, Africa, etc. These also happen to be the places where the communist movement is most united and able to actually contest for economic and state power. The most well-off elements of the left (primarily first-world students) tend to be the most sectarian and the ones who are at a low ebb of class struggle. In Latin America and Southeast Asia workers and peasants have managed to organize large-scale united parties that are able to field organized military strength, challenge the state and set-up independent areas of the economy. In the US and EU the left is divided into dozens of groups that are off the "political map" for the majority of people and are only really able to organize demonstrations and the very occasional strike (which usually ends up selling out).

Oppression is important to Marxism. People generally do not rebel for change simply because the alternative is more efficient or some economic law makes it logical. People have to be unsatisfied if they are going to push for change. This is why "Marxism is humanism", because it is centered around human needs and desires, not philosophy or "immutable" laws of economics.

[Zurdito]

The stench of christianity is breathed by the lungful by a lot of people in the left.

I am tired of that bullshit of, the most "opressed" and "miserable" you are, the most revolutionary you are. This is so incredibly unmarxist, and is more a kin to liberalism than anything else. This is also the line taken by many "thirdworldists". However, the only people bold enough (and crazy enough) to bring that line to its conclusion are MIMites, who are nothing more than violent liberals.

The proletariat is the revolutionary class because the economy is built on its back. Opression is also part of this, but it is not the main thing that makes the proletariat a revolutionary category.

The most miserable and wretched people are generally immersed in sectarian conflicts rather than revolutionary class struggle. The most confident of their capablities as a class are generally more "well off" workers, like the ones in the ranks of Unions, etc. Its erroneous to think that it is despair that breeds militancy. It can help breeding it, but it seems to me that class action emerges more from confidence than anything else.

Revolutionaries want to end all oppression, not just class differences. Sectarian struggles are caused by the structure of the global economy. It must be incredibly easy to just wash your hands of anyone who isn't already a fully developed secular progressive class-conscious proletarian. It is also incredibly useless and ends up making you authoritarian against the vast majority of existing social movements.

By the way I wrote you a reply in the Español forum to your thread criticising Latin American natinalism, which is related to this. It's still there if you want to deal with it.