The Vox Resolution [Archive]

Imperial Power

21st February 2002, 20:12

Unable to debate he resorts to harrassment schock tactics trying to overwhelm his opposition by creating an artificial sense of power.

Why?

A personality such as his results from anger in his life and inferiority complex. His fears of being wrong only drive him to increase the anti of his actions. His inability to speak with out insults only emphasizes the weakness of his arguments.

I have stopped responding to vox after he said something like you are less then human filth. Such hatred no doubt can be found in many aspects of his life. But for my purposes I am done with vox he should expect no reply to any posts he has made. I also encourage other capitalists to ignore him.

This is by no means politcal, simply disgust.

I Will Deny You

21st February 2002, 20:52

Why do you hate him so much?

(I haven't always sided with my fellow socialists and I have some respect for a few of the capitalists on this board, so please don't give me any bullshit . . . if anyone could tell me why people don't like him, I'd honestly like to know.)

El Che

21st February 2002, 21:24

Your cheap psycology does work on me weak minded one, you have stop responding bacause allas you cant respond. Vox rocks.

MindCrime

21st February 2002, 21:39

In the style of the Capis who ask what financial/economic/political degree you have...

So IP, where did you study psycology? Im facinated to hear your diognosis for his "infiriority complex."

Continuing in their style, I would also like to scream PROPAGANDA! I denounce this as meer right wing capitalist screed designed to evade questions posted to IP that he can't answer.

reagan lives

21st February 2002, 23:58

vox subsists on a steady diet of lies and sophistry. He rarely if ever speaks to issues, preferring ad hominem attacks that usually incorporate the most wild and vague of generalizations. His responses to the most level-headed posts usually amount to "Right-wingers are scum." As I've pointed out, peacenicked seems to have picked this habit up as well. There's also vox's affinity for howling like a werewolf when the targets of his slander refuse to dignify him with a response.

vox met me with extreme hostility on my first day on this board, and has never looked back. What he probably doesn't realize is how amusing he is to me and everyone else here who thinks for themselves. From what I can see, vox has pretty much been stripped of his credibility by this point and has been reduced to a sort of humorous sideshow act. Every so often he'll come out of his hole and do his vox-dance for all of us...I find it quite amusing. Almost as amusing as the good old days when Agusto used to show so clearly that vox had no grasp of the ideas that one learns in first semester economics. But I digress.

vox is funny, mostly because he takes himself so seriously. And although you all are attacking IP's psychological credentials, I do think that his inferiority complex theory has some potential. vox's constant posturing, his incessant declarations of his own brilliance, and his visualizations of Internet discussions as competitions in which he is combatant, referee, and judge all point to a real life in which he isn't quite so distinguished. My guess is that he couldn't hack it in the legitimate academic world...his writing and reasoning skills would seem to support this.

Ah well...vox is great, as long as you remember that he is the virtual equivalent of a dancing monkey.

peaccenicked

22nd February 2002, 00:26

RL
I ll let vox defend himself,
but what is an ad hominem attack if you and your
wise guys keep on inferring that we believe
something that we do not. This is subtle but not very subtely calling someone a liar a cheat and a fraud.
It is exactly what real liars yourself do.
you lie by repeating imperialist propaganda without question.
Your ignorance of history is astounding.
your method of debate is subterfuge.
you are trying to reify your own narrow ideology not reach any broad understanding. No wonder Vox finds communicating you so frustrating.
Our conversations are circular
A says I am B
C says no you are D
A says I am not D
C says you must be D because D is B
A says B is not D
because A says I am B
and I am not D
D is E
C insists that E must be B behavior.
A says it is not and has never been B behaviour
and there can be no movement because
C does not study history.

Forever capitalism

22nd February 2002, 00:46

i suggest we add peacenicked to the who needs to be ignored because they espuse inane drivel because vox, serving as a mentor to his disciple peacenicked, has influenced him to act and behave in his childish and immature ways.
The only words that come out of peacenickeds mouth are "you are fascist" and "liar, liar!!". It harms debate and their contributions we can all do without.

peaccenicked

22nd February 2002, 00:58

I am not debating with a liar
I am merely trying to expose you as an ignorant liar
who does not know their arse from their elbow.
why not read a book.

Forever capitalism

22nd February 2002, 01:01

is that your new saying peacenicked that you will repeat constantly and without respite? "Go read a book"? Sorry i don't read articles on the internet 24/7 as i do have a life outside of copying and pasting. Your books are obviously filled with propaganda and the fact that you cannot refute evidence and reality is manifested through your comments such as "you are a liar"; baseless abuse and profanity.

peaccenicked

22nd February 2002, 01:11

It seems to me you have not read any books that
are part of any history course only
the hack version of history you get from the History channel.

El Che

22nd February 2002, 01:37

This thread is nothing more then a cheap personal atack, first on vox and now on peace too. It is sickening and revolting. This shit should not be allowed in a forum like this, what is this? They gang up and refuse to answer certain members as well as insult them? This is a waste of time and space. I would know how do deal with you right wingers, trust me on that.

Forever capitalism

22nd February 2002, 01:41

The same way Castro, Lenin, Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot all dealt with dissent huh? Abuse of human rights, a communist tradition

Nateddi

22nd February 2002, 01:44

I am not against freedom of speech, but the repetative use of such comments FC should get you banned. The cappies don't need you anyway. IP, C, RL can live without your repetative insults and hot-phrased debates.

El Che

22nd February 2002, 01:53

Forever capitalist your mistaken, your confusing me with someone else. If you think i give a shit about the stupidity you say you got another thing coming. All of u idiots are as dumb as a brick wall, all you do is irritate the participantes of this bb. Do you perhaps think i take you seriously? do you think i will take the time to explain to you why banning all of you idiots would have nothing to do with repressing your freedom of speech and other such stupidities? You are mistaking me for someone else indeed. Your bullshit doesnt work on me and that is why i waste little time on you and that is also why i would ban your ass in nano second if given the chance. I think others are coming to realise the futility of there efforts though. Prety soon people will just get tierd of this and leave you banana heads talking to each other, close this forum that is effectivly an insult to the defenition of debate.

Forever capitalism

22nd February 2002, 02:12

El Che without realising it you have buttressed Imperial Power's point. These are exactly the same insults and abuse that we in this forum do not want or need. We debate the two ideologies. Why don't we leave it at that?

peaccenicked

22nd February 2002, 03:35

there are two ideologies
capitalist ideology
stalinist ideology
scientific socialism is completely opposed to the rich exploiters of the poor and the rule of anti democratic dictators.

RedRevolutionary87

22nd February 2002, 03:45

first off i refuse to show any type of respect to someone with a picture of bill clinton as an avatar. you have no idea how to debate nor do you have any suportive arguments. you are simply one of those attention seekers that pull at people for their reaction. also what kind of crap is this, boycoting a member i mean go ahed and do it but there is no need to but a post about it. clearly the cappies just want some attention, you guys are like ticks, you seem to crawl in everywhere, like an anoyying little nuisence

I Will Deny You

22nd February 2002, 04:48

Quote: from Forever capitalism on 2:41 am on Feb. 22, 2002
The same way Castro, Lenin, Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot all dealt with dissent huh? Abuse of human rights, a communist tradition
This is why you will never be able to make me smile like RL, IP and Capitalist do. Their economic ideology pisses me off, but they're still the kind of people who I'd be willing to have a beer with . . . not all of the people who I like share my political beliefs, but you can bet that they're all more mature than five-year-olds. I honestly enjoy reading, but not posting in, these threads and you just fuck everything up. If you're going to ruin everyone's potential to have a good debate, you could at least do so in a funny way. Anyone who accuses all communists of being mass murderers (gee, as if there's never been a capitalist mass murderer or as if serious psychological problems have something to do with distribution of wealth) should at least have a sense of humor--if Mel Brooks proposed "Communists on Ice: A Worker-Friendly Romp with Stalin and Pol Pot" he could get away with this rhetoric. You, my friend, cannot.

As long as we're making unofficial diagnoses, I think that Forever capitalism is pissed off because he'll never be able to understand economics as well as a single person here, from the fucking morons on the bottom to the geniuses on the top. And I think his pants are too tight, which is why he can never even make a joke. He's got the biggest inferiority complex of anyone on the board.

(Edited by I Will Deny You at 5:51 am on Feb. 22, 2002)

RedCeltic

22nd February 2002, 05:25

god you cappies are disgusting... you can't argue your way out of a paper bag and so resort to demonizing and/or ignoring those who bother to give you any attention at all...

(Edited by RedCeltic at 12:26 am on Feb. 22, 2002)

El Che

22nd February 2002, 05:46

I lost my temper. I hate when i lose my temper but it happens sometimes.

reagan lives

22nd February 2002, 15:28

"Anyone who accuses all communists of being mass murderers...should at least have a sense of humor"

I agree completely. And the same is true for anyone who accuses all supporters of capitalism of being "inhuman filth."

pastradamus

22nd February 2002, 17:11

Quote: from Imperial Power on 9:12 pm on Feb. 21, 2002
Unable to debate he resorts to harrassment schock tactics trying to overwhelm his opposition by creating an artificial sense of power.

Why?

A personality such as his results from anger in his life and inferiority complex. His fears of being wrong only drive him to increase the anti of his actions. His inability to speak with out insults only emphasizes the weakness of his arguments.

I have stopped responding to vox after he said something like you are less then human filth. Such hatred no doubt can be found in many aspects of his life. But for my purposes I am done with vox he should expect no reply to any posts he has made. I also encourage other capitalists to ignore him.

This is by no means politcal, simply disgust.

I agree with you IP george bush is just like that!

pastradamus

22nd February 2002, 17:15

Quote: from reagan lives on 4:28 pm on Feb. 22, 2002
"Anyone who accuses all communists of being mass murderers...should at least have a sense of humor"

I agree completely. And the same is true for anyone who accuses all supporters of capitalism of being "inhuman filth."

What would you know about humour?
Your whole life is one big debate which you keep losin' & when you lose an argument you fuck off for a while before reappearing in another post.

reagan lives

22nd February 2002, 17:32

See, that's funny. Thanks, pa.

El Che

22nd February 2002, 17:49

Reagan lives instead of wasting your time, and ours too, on personal atacks, you would do better to start answering the 15 or so pending threads in this part of the forum. If it has to many big words for u why dont u get your buddy augostos to help you out, then vox can really have some fun, indeed we all can lol.

reagan lives

22nd February 2002, 18:18

Because all the "pending" threads in this forum look a lot like this one.

peaccenicked

22nd February 2002, 18:19

funny ha ha.
is that you retreating, but where to,
communism does not=stalinism.
you were only joking.
If you need a get out ok.

Imperial Power

22nd February 2002, 18:40

Forever capitalism is a valuable member to the board and to the Right side. He has quite a bit of knowledge to share if some of you would open your minds to reason.

peaccenicked

22nd February 2002, 19:15

newsflash sycophant praises sycophant.
one of the puzzles of this charade of ignorant
'facts' is who is the most gullible and narrow minded.
the openness of your mind dismisses all criticism from left wing propaganda.
if you actually told me a real fact I would go out my way to look for independent verification from as many sources as possible but you have not even stretched me much more than a few cartoons and and some articles you never respond to or research.
I even found your source for what you posted.
it was unchristian even and now you defend like an infant anti trust laws. how did you like the cartoon?
RL tells me you and FC have a sense of humour.

I Will Deny You

22nd February 2002, 20:54

Quote: from reagan lives on 7:18 pm on Feb. 22, 2002
Because all the "pending" threads in this forum look a lot like this one.
Amen. It's everyone's fault . . . some people who interest me in all of the other forums aren't quite so interesting here, and the same goes for you right-wingers. Why is it that normally rational people lose it and go insane when they're debating politics?

And IP, you don't strike me as an Einstein (mostly because he was a socialist and you're not, but he was also smarter and no one has had such cool hair since) but you're a lot smarter than Forever capitalism and I have actually found some good facts buried under your attacks on peaccenicked and redundant/nonsensical rants. Depending who you ask, he either makes you look bad or makes you look even worse.

pastradamus

23rd February 2002, 02:03

Quote: from Imperial Power on 7:40 pm on Feb. 22, 2002
Forever capitalism is a valuable member to the board and to the Right side. He has quite a bit of knowledge to share if some of you would open your minds to reason.

REASON !!!! give me a reason & some of your mothers fine ass while your at it!
you know what the guy's at the commie club say bout your mother "once youve had fat you never go back!"

Valkyrie

23rd February 2002, 04:00

VOX POPULI!

VIVA VOX!

RedCeltic

23rd February 2002, 05:58

Someone who sports the name and photo of Ronald Reagan shouldn't go around talking about "inhumanity" either your not of the working class or your too young and dumb to know about him.

Forever capitalism

23rd February 2002, 12:00

I think we really need to fix this forum up and eliminate the obsticles that prevent a fair debate between the two ideologies. It is obvious that everyone here has differnet opinions. Let's respect that. I don't think i have ever come across as rude or abusive and if i have i'm sorry for that, i enjoy debating and stating my views on subjects. I don't like it when certain people attempt to defame me and attack me personally. Let us get away from the childish comments and debate like adults. I don't think anybody would not concur with this.

peaccenicked

23rd February 2002, 13:11

Fair debate for you is stuffing your 'communism equals devil worship' nonsense down our throats.

vox

24th February 2002, 00:29

Golly, all this 'bout lil ol' me? Now my feeings are all hurt and junk. *sniff* Well, I guess I should say something.

Leaving aside Imperialist's "psychological profiling," which people clearly see as off-base, I have to take issue with FC's notion that I somehow "as a mentor to his disciple peacenicked." Anyone who reads this forum should be able to tell that peacenicked and I disagree on many things. Further, I've served as a "mentor" to no one here, and I've never tried to do anything of the sort. I post something and if someone else likes it, great. The idea that I've set up some sort of position of leadership is not only ridiculous historically, for you'll find no posts that suggest this at all, but it's ridiculous philosphically as well, insisting on a dichotomy that I wish to eliminate on the Left (see my comments regarding vanguardism for more on this).

Reagan Lies once again tells us that I've no credibility when not ONCE has he ever refuted a fact. Indeed, he resorted to name-calling against Blum when he couldn't back up his position about US foriegn policy, and he's never taken issue with the Church Committee report, just ignored it, for it refutes all of his rhetoric.

Yes, I do make fun of right-wingers, but only as an aside. The facts in my posts are there, though ignored by the conservatives, and they hope that people forget. We haven't forgotten at all.

What is exceedingly clear is that when truly challenged on the facts, right-wingers prefer to band together to marginalize the challenger. It seems that the right-wingers here would like this particular board to be abandonded by the Left (my today, you tomorrow), so they are free to copy and paste articles from other sites and give each other ass pats.

Sorry, right-wingers. That's not going to happen.

Feel free to ignore me. I'll still post, I'll still be right and you'll still be wrong. That you don't believe that anyone else here will pick up on that is simply a sign of your boundless stupidity, and an insult to the intelligence of every Leftist on this board.

vox

reagan lives

24th February 2002, 04:37

Wow.

That was it? I have come to expect so much more from you, vox. I know you can do better than that.

Forever capitalism

24th February 2002, 04:39

you are so hardcore vox!!!

vox

24th February 2002, 07:11

Aww, poor babies.

What do you expect me to say when confronted with garbage? You are too cowardly to confront me on the facts, which is clear, so you resort to abstract "profiling." It's a joke, of course, and everyone recognized that but you.

No points were raised, right-wingers. What was there to argue against?

Perhaps you could quote a previous post to back up you answer? I know that's asking a lot from right-wingers, but I dare you to do it. I dare you to.

You are, each of you, nothing but right-wing cowards, and you've never, ever, even tried to answer my posts.

Indeed, you depend upon me, for in the absence of me, you flounder. You need to attack me, for you can't attack what I say.

You didn't this time, and that's your status quo.

Reagan Lies didn't even try to list objections, so profoundly inept he is.

Indeed.

So call names, right-wingers. It's all you've left.

vox (so much smarter than you)

Moskitto

24th February 2002, 14:21

Hmmm the Vox Resolution.

What next

The Moskitto Doctrine?
The Reagan Lives Charter?
The Red Celtic Declaration?
The Imperial Power Act?

Americans give interesting names to their laws. It's far better than our "Police and Crime Act"

reagan lives

24th February 2002, 14:39

That's closer to what I was looking for...thanks, vox. I'll be laughing for the rest of the day.

vox

24th February 2002, 14:51

Ah, Reagan Lies,

It's so sad that you've yet to counter anything, ANYTHING AT ALL, that I've said.

I understand your pathetic need to dismiss me, of course. I'm all charitable like that.

In the meantime, I'll be waiting for you to post something of substance. That doesn't seem to come naturally to you, but I'm patient.

vox

Imperial Power

16th March 2002, 04:43

I see the Vox resolution is going into full effect. Finally everyone can him for who he is.

Michael De Panama

16th March 2002, 10:50

You know, I have yet to see one thing I dislike about Vox. Perhaps I'm just not looking hard enough.

reagan lives

16th March 2002, 20:51

Interesting...in a thread that was just dredged up in General Political Topics, I found one of my posts from when I first came here:

"I haven't been here for very long, and most of my time so far has been spent fighting off personal attacks from, what I've seen, the most blatantly biased and blind person here. Before I invested all this time into fending off attacks on my credibility, I forgot to ask the question that's become so obvious:

Do any of you actually take vox seriously?? I mean, double-standards, biased sources, broad generalizations, tangential arguments, and self-serving interpretations seem to be his trademarks. Not exactly staples of successful and honest intellectual exchanges. I made the mistake of assuming that the rational people here actually took this clown seriously. Mea culpa. I will invest no further time into refuting his ridiculous attacks, and I'll just assume that the unbiased critical people here see them for what they are...transparent and vitriolic attempts by a mental weakling to defend himself from opposing viewpoints."

Interesting.

pastradamus

17th March 2002, 13:25

what reagan lives you actually returned to the front line!
Its a miracle RL is trying to finish what he started!
good luck!

El Che

17th March 2002, 16:39

Reagan leaves you have yet to address me on "socialist revolution" thread.

Imperial power&capitalist&forever capitalist have yet to address me on "uniformity of discourse".

Augostos has yet to address me on "the question of palestine".

And like me, every other person that has wasted his time proving you wrong only to be abandoned by you when you can not counter them, recognises this personal atack bullshit for what it is. Vox presses u against the wall for answers, you dont like that, you feel pissed off that someone would demand answers from you. Like reagan lives that called me an anoying cretin when i demanded an answer he has not yet given as I show in "socialist revolution". You are pathetic and this shit is pathetic. grow up and learn to debate seriously.

reagan lives

17th March 2002, 19:04

Me oh my...it seems that vox has a new disciple.

El Che, the reason I let that other thread die is because I realized I was talking to myself. I posted answers that satisfied everyone else again and again, and you continued to deny that I even addressed the questions. I read your last lengthy post, and it bored me to tears. It was one of the most uneducated and useless diatribes I've ever read on this board, and it made it perfectly clear that the discussion was going nowhere really fast. I assume that, in true voxesque style, you'll deny this and claim that I let the thread go because I was humbled by your superior intellect. Whatever helps you sleep at night, comrade.

For the record, I don't get pissed when I'm "pressed for answers." I get pissed when I'm "pressed for answers" more than three times in a row by the same person. I displayed this in the "socialist revolution" thread that you refer to...I ended up capituating and quoting all the instances where I answered the question that you were still posing. As Iron Heel said to vox, "the record's here, and it's clear."

But man, you really do sound like vox. How's that working out for you? Keep at it, and soon enough you'll be an intellectually bankrupt academic failure too.

El Che

17th March 2002, 20:19

In your above post you classify my last response to the topic in question. You admit you gave up the arguement and justify this by your qualification i.e boring. You also say, and this is truely rich, that I dont understand. So what you do is say the post is boring and that I dont understand. But such a statement should, to be taken seriously be backed up, you should show that im wrong. I mean I could be wrong, its perfectly possible, but if you dont show I am wrong then in that case the only logical conclusion that remains is that you are wrong. You of course avoid this conclusion by saying that i am boring. So fellas heres tha deal, reagan is right, and i am wrong, he just wont demonstrate that for all to see and have a good laugh at my expense because i am boring. hah.

Then he procedes to compare me to vox (who is the devil in person) and to make all sorts of personal comments and etc etc etc. You can all see it, you can all judge the level of the poster by the post. I need say nothing about it nor am I interested in doing so. My only interest is in debating my points of view against your points of view, if they cant or wont do this, well then they give up the arguement, and besides the arguement I have no interest in them. However the bullshit of this thread, in its personal atacks against other members concern us all, we should be conerned in the level of discussion and with what is posted. I for one denounce this for what it is: puke.

reagan lives

17th March 2002, 20:57

"I assume that, in true voxesque style, you'll deny this and claim that I let the thread go because I was humbled by your superior intellect. Whatever helps you sleep at night, comrade."

Perhaps "boring" was the wrong word. "Moronic" is more like it. A summary of the relevant discussion:
EC: Capitalism is theft. Prove me wrong.
RL: (Proves him wrong...read the thread)
EC: Capitalism is theft. Prove me wrong.
RL: I just did.
EC: Capitalism is theft. Prove me wrong.
RL: I did.
EC: Capitalism is theft. Prove me wrong.
RL: This is stupid.
EC: Ah! You haven't responded to my points!
RL: What? Yes I did.
EC: No you didn't.
RL: (Copies his own quotes from the thread)
EC: Capitalism is theft. You are evil. Prove me wrong.

You can see how I might get exasperated with this. But again, if you get a hard-on from telling yourself that you're a genius and I'm stupid, more power to you. It's no skin off my back. Or perhaps this is indicative of a larger trend among the more silly communists: the starting assumption that anyone who disagrees with you is blind and stupid. It's certainly easier to assume this than to deal with difficult things like economics and history.

peaccenicked

17th March 2002, 22:40

I dont think RL is evil, in fact for someone who is presence here is completely rude, he manages to have some self disipline in conducting himself, he is not stupid
but argues endless stupidities that are contained in capitalist ideology. I am not here to convince him but to ask him to leave with these stupidities as he is not
here to be taught but to stubbornly promote his capitalist sympathies. We can hear these arguments anywhere, RL's arguments are refined versions of old arguments that can be found on the vast amount of libertarian and neo conservative sites on the net.
Why does he choose Che-lives. He knows that many of our members are younger than him and are still learning how to articulate their own ideas in as sharp a manner as possible. He sees his task as to disrupt this process and to gain a few brownie points. The gladiator approach to him is ineffectial because he is a gliadator too. This only leaves the task of clarifying the deeply offensive nature of his political position.
RL you are not so much blind but delibrately ignorant.
That ignorance you reveal in the 'socialist revolution thread'. I only highlight it.
I am not a christian but I agree with much of its wisdom.
Forgive them because they know not what they do.
Forgiveness does not imply forgetting or does it postpone the task of asking you to leave where you are not welcome.

(Edited by peaccenicked at 10:07 am on Mar. 18, 2002)

Moskitto

17th March 2002, 22:58

Evil is defined in many different ways, In the fantasy role playing games "Dungeons and Dragons" the evil alignment is the alignment where people will always think of themselve first. With the Lawful/Chaotic scale as well there are 9 types of people.

Good Lawful - People who set the laws to try and be good
Good Neutral - People who will always do what is right regardless of the law
Good Chaotic - People who do not follow the law because they do not believe it is right
Neutral Lawful - People who follow the law because it is the law
True Neutral - People who believe in the total balance of all thinks in harmony
Neutral Chaotic - People who don't follow laws, because they are laws
Evil Lawful - People who use the law to benefit themselves
Evil Neutral - People who don't care about the law as long as they get something
Evil Chaotic - Psycopaths

Most people (there are exceptions) are Evil Neutral or Lawful Neutral.

Although this might to be a good definition of evil to some.