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Sky
20th February 2008, 21:26
The notorious 'foibe' massacres of several thousand Italians by Yugoslav partisans in and around the northeastern city of Trieste towards the end of World War II were "ethnic cleansing," Italy's president Giorgio Napolitano reaffirmed on Sunday.

"Those from outside Italy who reacted rashly to my speech of one year ago should calm down. This is my advice, " Napolitano, a former communist said in his annual remembrance day address to commemorate the victims of the 'foibe'.

Some 70 relations collected medals on behalf of the 'foibe' victims. Remembrance ceremonies were held in more than 200 ceremonies around Italy.

"If unity does not prevail over dissent, if dialogue does not prevail over prejudice, nothing that we have laboriously built may be considered a permanent gain," Napolitano stated.

Napolitano's message was clearly aimed at Croatia's president Stjepan Mesic who criticised remarks he made during his 2007 remembrance day speech in which Napolitano described the 'foibe' killings as a "tragedy" and "one of the barbaric acts of the last century."

In the 2007 remembrance day speech, Napolitano said of the 'foibe': "We should not remain silent, assuming the responsibility for having denied or ignored the truth owing to ideological prejudices."

Mesic said at the time that he was "unpleasantly surprised by the contents and the tone," used lately by the Italian leaders in describing the events of the past, which "also affect present relations."

"These statements, in which one cannot overlook the hints of open racism, historical revisionism and political revenge, are hardly in line with the declared wish for enhancing bilateral relations between our two countries,” said Mesic.

He claimed Italy was trying to revise the peace accord it signed in 1947 and the Osimo agreement of 1975 in which it renounced territories on the eastern Adriatic coast, such as Istria and Dalmatia, a move that would be "absolutely unacceptable" to Croatia.

Mesic's remarks sparked a diplomatic row between Italy and Croatia. Foreign minister Massimo D'Alema last February cancelled an official visit to the Balkan country by his undersecretary Vittorio Craxi and summoned Croatia's ambassador for an explanation. Mesic's remarks were slammed by Italian politicians from across the political spectrum.

'Foibe' is the Italian word for deep chasms into which several thousand Italians were thrown in 1943 after Italy's capitulation - sometimes alive - by Croatian and Slovenian partisans loyal to General Josip Broz Tito.

The 'foibe' killings occurred in Trieste, modern-day Slovenia and along the Istrian peninsula, which Italy lost to Croatia at the end of World War II.

The estimated number of people killed varies between 1,500 and 5,000. In addition, up to 400,000 Italians were expelled or emigrated from Dalmatia, Istria and the area bordering Slovenia. The ''foibe' have remained a painful historical burden in Italy.
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This is a dangerous provocation by the Italian regime. The tone of the Italian president smacks of historical revisionism and revanchism. The Italian president engages in racism by attempting to equate the spontaneous revenge carried out by the people of Yugoslavia against the fascist devils to the horrors perpetrated by the occupying forces. The so-called Left in Italy have been exposed to be chauvinist crypto-fascists intent on enslaving the people of Yugoslavia.

What happened Yugoslavia following the Liberation was a spontaneous reaction to the genocide and war crimes perpetrated by the Italian and Hungarian fascists and their henchmen in the "Independent State of Croatia". Historical precedent has always allowed for war criminals, foreign aggressors, and local collaborationists to be subject to the most ruthless punishment. Indeed, thousands of fascists and their henchmen were punished throughout the Europe in the post-war period. In Italy up to 15,000 fascists were punished between April and June 1945 as the Italian people unleashed revenge on these monsters.

Dimentio
20th February 2008, 21:33
Were all Foibe residents really fascist-sympathisers? ^^

Red_or_Dead
21st February 2008, 10:42
Were all Foibe residents really fascist-sympathisers? ^^

Umm... Foibe victims, not residents. And I guess they werent all fascists. Some of them undoubtedly, but in any case those massacres are a big stain on Slovenian and Croatian history, and is something that we all (the younger generation) heard from the media, as we were not told in school about it, while on the other hand we were told everything about blackshirt fascist, and how they were killing, burning, ect.. Those massacres should be condemned in the strongest manner possible, no matter what Italians did to Slovenes and Croats from 1918 to 1943.


On the other hand, there are the Italian crimes from 1918 (when a lot of Slovenian and Croatian populated teritories became Italian, later much of them were reclaimed by Yugoslavia) to the capitulation in 1943. Forbiding Slovene and Croat languages, deporting people to concetration camps, burning books in those two languages, killing every dissident they could get their hands on, and supressing any idea of Communism, Socialism and leftism in general (as Slovenes in those areas were always and still are predominantly leftists, that was a big threat to fascists). The situation only got worse after tthe start of the war, when Italians expanded their occupation, and commited even worse crimes. That should be condemned just as well.

Summary: Both our and Italian crimes deserve every condemnation. Retaliation, and poiting fingers at Italians is no excuse for what our Partisans did, nor is there an excuse for Italian crimes. Im guessing it would be best that this part of history really becomes history, not that it serves political interests.

lutondave
21st February 2008, 15:29
Waste of time.

Sky
21st February 2008, 20:19
Were all Foibe residents really fascist-sympathisers? ^^

The killings were primarily limited to several hundred military personnel and civilians that served the occupation and were carried out by the Yugoslavian people themselves in a spontaneous demonstration of revenge. The Italians were responsible for the killing, raping, torturing, starving, and mutiliating of hundreds of thousands of people and razing many villages. Many thousands of Italian war criminals have still not been brought to justice.

In response, the Yugoslavian partisans captured and killed some 300 Italians, mostly fascists, police, and Blackshirt thugs.

RGacky3
23rd February 2008, 02:36
The Italian president engages in racism by attempting to equate the spontaneous revenge carried out by the people of Yugoslavia against the fascist devils to the horrors perpetrated by the occupying forces.

Do you know what racism is?