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peaccenicked
18th February 2002, 20:57
Af-flu-en-za n.
1. The bloated, sluggish and unfulfilled feeling that results from
efforts to keep up with the Joneses.
2. An epidemic of stress, overwork, waste and indebtedness caused by
dogged pursuit of the American Dream.
3. An unsustainable addiction to economic growth


Do You Have It????

1. Which of the following is comparable to the size of a typical
three-car garage?
a. a basketball court
b. a McDonald's restaurant
c. an "RV" (recreational vehicle)
d. the average home in the 1950s.

Answer: d. Many of today's three-car garages occupy 900 square feet,
just about the average size of an entire home in the 1950s. Many
people use the extra garage space to store things they own and seldom
use. Often we hear that Americans have lost ground economically and
have less purchasing power. But Americans are buying more luxurious
items, partly by working more and going deeply into debt. The homes
they live in and the cars they drive today are often bigger and more
technologically advanced than those purchased by their parents.

2. The percentage of Americans calling themselves "very happy"
reached its highest point in what year?

a. 1957
b. 1967
c. 1977
d. 1987

Answer: a. The number of "very happy" people peaked in 1957, and has
remained fairly stable or declined ever since. Even though we consume
twice as much as we did in the 1950s, people were just as happy when
they had less.

3. How much of an average American's lifetime will be spent (on
average) watching television commercials?

a. 6 months
b. 3 months
c. 1 year
d. 1.5 years

Answer: c. In contrast, Americans on average spend only 40 minutes a
week playing with their children, and members of working couples talk
with one another on average only 12 minutes a day.

4. True or false? Americans carry $1 billion in personal debt, not
including real estate and mortgages.

Answer: False. Americans carry $1 trillion in personal debt,
approximately $4,000 for every man, woman and child, not including
real estate and mortgages. On average, Americans save only 4 percent
of their income, in contrast to the Japanese, who save an average of
16 percent.

5. Which activity did more Americans do in 1996?

a. graduate from college
b. declare bankruptcy

Answer: b. In 1996, more than 1 million Americans declared
bankruptcy, three times as many as in 1986. Americans have more than
1 billion credit cards, and less than one-third of credit card
holders pay off their balances each month.

6. In the industrialized world, where is the U.S. ranked in terms of
its income equality between the rich and the poor? (First being the
most income-equal.)

a. 1st
b. 5th
c. 12th
d. 22nd

Answer: d. The income disparity between the rich and the poor is
greatest in the United States.

7. The world's 358 billionaires together possess as much money as the
poorest _____ of the world's population?

a. 15 percent
b. 30 percent
c. 50 percent
d. 10 percent

Answer: c. Nearly 50 percent. The world's 358 billionaires' combined
assets roughly equal the assets of the world's poorest 2.5 billion
people.

8. Since 1950, Americans alone have used more resources than:

a. everyone who ever lived before them
b. the combined Third World populations
c. the Romans at the height of the Roman Empire
d. all of the above

Answer: All of the above. Since 1950, Americans alone have used more
resources than everyone who ever lived before them. Each American
individual uses up 20 tons of basic raw materials annually. Americans
throw away 7 million cars a year, 2 million plastic bottles an hour
and enough aluminum cans annually to make six thousand DC-10
airplanes.

9. Americans' total yearly waste would fill a convoy of garbage
trucks long enough to:

a. wrap around the Earth six times
b. reach half-way to the moon
c. connect the North and South Poles
d. build a bridge between North America and China

Answer: a. and b. Even though Americans comprise only five percent of
the world's population, in 1996 we used nearly a third of its
resources and produced almost half of its hazardous waste. The
average North American consumes five times as much as an average
Mexican, 10 times as much as an average Chinese and 30 times as much
as the average person in India.

10. Which president feared that untamed American capitalism might
create a corrupt civilization?

a. Jimmy Carter
b. Ronald Reagan
c. Theodore Roosevelt
d. Abraham Lincoln

Answer: c. President Theodore Roosevelt feared that allowing American
capitalism to develop unleashed would eventually create a corrupt
civilization. He was a strong proponent of simple living.

11. Which economic indicator counts pollution three times as a sign
of a growing economy?

a. the GDP (Gross Domestic Product)
b. the GPI (Genuine Progress Indicator)

Answer: a. The GDP counts pollution three times: first when it is
made, second when it is cleaned up and third when health-care
professionals treat pollution-related health problems. An
organization called Redefining Progress developed an alternative
economic progress measurement, the GPI (Genuine Progress Indicator).
GPI takes into account 24 aspects of economic life that the standard
GDP (Gross Domestic Product) ignores. The GPI adds value for such
activities as housework and volunteerism, and subtracts for the costs
of such problems as crime, car accidents and family breakdown.

12. Of the Americans who voluntarily cut back their consumption, what
percent said (in 1995) that they are happier as a result?

a. 29 percent
b. 42 percent
c. 67 percent
d. 86 percent

Answer: d. Eighty-six percent of Americans who voluntarily cut back
their consumption feel happier as a result. Only 9 percent said they
were less happy. In 1996, 5 percent of the "baby boom" generation
reported practicing a strong form of voluntary simplicity.
http://www.worldwatch.org/alerts/000115.html



(Edited by peaccenicked at 10:23 pm on Feb. 18, 2002)

peaccenicked
13th May 2002, 04:15
capis
I know you just love the truth.

Greadius
13th May 2002, 06:26
In order to get 'the truth' we have to go to someone that hates America? I also thought for the 'truth' you'd have to go to the source. Nobody asked me any of these survey questions, and the link you provided didn't have any of this survey information for scrutiny...
But, a point by point scrutiny is in order :biggrin:

1. Which of the following is comparable to the size of a typical three-car garage?
I guess pointing out that three-car garages aren't too common would be pointless.
So people have more living space... this is a problem for you how? Because you have less? Once again this is an issue of spreading the misery...?

Question 2: "Even though we consume twice as much as we did in the 1950s, people were just as happy when they had less." Lie and fabrication all in one. People in America in 1957 were the wealthiest in the world back then too. Amatterfact, the Commies in 1957 were saying that American's consume too much, the world couldn't take it much longer, and Americans would be happier if they had less.
The important factor here is RELATIVE wealth. The relatively wealthy in 1957 thought they had it all; they were wrong. The relatively wealthy in 2002 think they have it all. They are wrong too.

3. "In contrast, Americans on average spend only 40 minutes a week playing with their children, and members of working couples talk with one another on average only 12 minutes a day. " Seeing as they don't specify that PARENTS in this, and this survey seems to be bent on an agenda, I'm going to assume they were averaging in people without children too.
I probably haven't played with children for 40 minutes in my entire life. Guess that makes me a bad person :biggrin:
Of course this is fuzzy math too. 1 year of their life compared to weekly time spent with kids & talking to the spouse (who replied 12 minutes a day anyway, who keeps track of this stuff?). Why weren't the numbers equal comparison?

4. Superflous data. Even though I'm concerned about personal debt, I'm certainly not included in that survey. Money management is very important in a society that expects you to be responsible for yourself.

5. Very superflous data... the two numbers have no correllation. The percentage of the population that CAN graduate from college annually is much, much, much lower than those that can declare bankruptcy (which isn't as bad as it sounds :biggrin:). If they're going to compare numbers, compare meaningful numbers: What percentage of Americans have graduated from college in their lifetime (24%, the highest percentage in the world), and what percentage have declared bankrupty (I don't know that figure offhand, but you're free to find it).

6. Yes, we have the richest people on earth... that is a bad thing? Our 'poor' are the richest in the world as well.

7. The point is....? Billionaries should be penalyzed for success? Is that another part of the culture of failure that accompanies hatred for capitalism?

8. I didn't know we kept track of the resources the Roman empired used... fascinating stuff, but really, completely meaningless. America doesn't have a monopoly on resource use, and I hold suspect any attempts to convince me that other nations don't use them because of fear of the consequences. Its more like the inability to use them.

9. When you have more you use more. Did they really need to add up garbage trucks to figure THAT out?

10. I'm a strong proponent of simple living too... of course, I believe it is an individual choice to do so. For example: I don't eat fast food and I don't own a TV. However, I like the idea that if I ever got the urge to I could do both without consequence or question. That is freedom :biggrin:
And for Teddy Roosevelt; he was the biggest proponent of third-world imperialism that ever occupied the White House, saying we needed to "Help our backward little brown brothers" Never exactly a role-model of mine. Come to think of it, had I been alive in Roosevelt's time, I would have been scared about capitalism too. That was 100 years ago though, lets get with the times :biggrin:

11. Once again, penalyzing the productive. Is this advocating that we stop producing anything and just live in a hunter-gatherer society, or is it just a hodgepodge of random facts organized in a blanket critisism of America? The individual who wrote that tidbit obviously doesn't understand GDP... the second and third 'countings', what is being counted is the SERVICE, not the PRODUCT. As far as I know, service doesn't produce pollution :biggrin:

12. Probably because they were wealthier :biggrin: But this is completely superflous; the mentality that goes into a voluntary cutback in consumption is NOT representative of average Americans. Try to get American's to cut back against their will and they'll double their expenditures. The people included in that data are probably: A. Grossly overspending their budget, or B. Into some sorta new-wave, back-to-basics kind of mentality which isn't mainstream America. It isn't scientific data. What is the size of the population? What about a control group?

peaccenicked
14th May 2002, 02:21
So have you got affluenza or not?
I say. Aye

Fires of History
14th May 2002, 02:49
Peaccenicked,

I don't know how I missed this back in February, but this is great stuff.

Greadius,

Yeah, everything that rocks your little boat is just "fuzzy math" or "superfluous data" isn't it? It can't possibly be the "truth" if it doesn't reinforce your worldview can it?

You're missing the point. Countless amerikkkans are unhappy, in debt, and neglecting their families in the relentless pursuit of the 'amerikkkan dream,' while using more resources than any other country to do it. Or can't you see that?

RedCeltic
14th May 2002, 04:12
I saw a home with a four car garage once, and I'm sure his neghbor is dying to put up a five car garage...

However, the guy owns several dozen office buldings.

Greadius
14th May 2002, 07:07
Quote: from Fires of History on 2:49 am on May 14, 2002
Yeah, everything that rocks your little boat is just "fuzzy math" or "superfluous data" isn't it? It can't possibly be the "truth" if it doesn't reinforce your worldview can it?
You're missing the point. Countless amerikkkans are unhappy, in debt, and neglecting their families in the relentless pursuit of the 'amerikkkan dream,' while using more resources than any other country to do it. Or can't you see that? The fact that you find typing Amerikkka whitty, truthfully representative, or something other than the political equivalent of juvenile name-calling makes me dubious to delve in... but...
My worldview is very moldable, and is based on my perception of truth and my values. Pointing out the excess or problems of capitalism without providing a concrete, feasable alternative that doesn't excessively restrict the freedom of the individual is a foolhardy persuit, but I will listen for anything compelling to come up.
As far as fuzzy math goes, that is precisely what it is. It is trying together unrelated and incomparible numbers for an emotion response. No respectable political scientist attempting to use statistics to prove a point would numbers with different bases (years per lifetime, minutes per day/week) in order to make a comparison.

And perhaps I am missing those 'countless Americans', because I can't count any :biggrin:. As I've said before, popular support of the type of rhetoric espoused by this piece is less than .01%. No amount or propaganda is sufficient to brainwash people to such a degree, no is there an amount of propaganda that convince people they're wrong to a significant degree. Those are personal choices.
The American dream is ulitimately and individual persuit based on individual preferences. My American dream requires me to be happy and enjoy my family, so if I were relentlessly persuing the American dream and finding that both those are not occuring, I would assume there is something wrong in my method of persuit and not my dream.
There is also the misplaced implication that somewhere, somehow, other people are finding a universal way to happiness and successful families. Unhappiness and family problems are part of the human condition, not a party to economic policy.

(Edited by Greadius at 7:08 am on May 14, 2002)

Anarcho
14th May 2002, 09:22
He did have a point. For the most part, the 'poor' of the US are still richer than the poor of almost any other country, and in fact our lower classes are richer than the upper class of many other countries.

Everything, even wealth and economy is relative.

ID2002
14th May 2002, 18:14
...agreed! Wealth is a relative term. In some countries having less is wealth and having more is showing weakness poverty!

Socialism is apart of many traditional native populations...giving away wealth is seen as inner strength, those who are "capitalists" and show greed are shunned.

...capitalism is against nature! It is not a sustainable practise!

Capitalist Imperial
15th May 2002, 00:45
as usual, the commies are using emotional arguements and hypotheticals to argue against real-world fact and behaviors, I believe from what i seen that americans are generally pretty happy go-lucky people, a relatively high standard of living gives you the opportunity to pursue what makes you happy. Have you ever seen videos of the pasty faced soviets walking through red square? there was a happy bunch for you! they looked so happy they could just roll over and die! have you ever been to finland, wow what a jovial place, man, you could choke on the dismal atmosphere, how about china? (oh, by the way, don't give birth to more than 1 child, and hope its not female, the government will take it from you and kill it, to say nothing of your freedom of spiritual beliefs) considering the alternative, i'm happy with my ford expedition, big macs, and walmart, so please, leftist sympathisers, stop trying to spread the meloncholy and blame the innovative and successful for other nations inability to produce and help themselves, thats right, capitalism is about freedom, but also about hard work and responsibility, the more you put in,the more you get out,and that is why the US is the most successful empire ever, and indeed why it revolutionized the world like no empire ever has. if you are american and are truely socialist, you'll move to sweden, finland, maybe china, cliche but true, otherwise your rants are just self riteous banter

Dynatos
15th May 2002, 02:56
Capitalist you really think americans are happy? then explain the extremely high amount of suacides, murders, high school shotings, roberies, prostitution, and drug abuse. If americans are so happy than why dose your country have all these problems? sure americans have alot of money but remember: money can't buy happiness.

Guest
15th May 2002, 03:15
This is CI, I agree that $$ cant buy you happiness, but it does give you the freedom to pursue what makes you happy, now, the school shootings are the exception, not the rule, it is the result of irresponsible, disturbed kids getting access to a firearm, but, as we saw in germany, massacres occur world-wide, drug abuse really comes down to often-times otherwise happy people people making bad choices and becoming physically addicted, also, drugs are expensive, and the US is one of the few countries with many citizens that have the disposible income to continue purchasing and using them, and i don't think our suicide rate is significantly higher than in any other country, I mean, our media blows these things out of proportion, puts them under a microscope, but it doesn't represent the majority of americans, most of us are pretty happy, we are always driven to do better, but e are happy

Dynatos
15th May 2002, 21:39
Number of suicide deaths per 100 000 deaths.
1991-1993
New Zealand 39.9
Norway 28.2
Switzerland 25.0
Canada 24.7
Australia 24.6
United States of America 21.9
France 14.0
Denmark 13.4
Germany 13.0
United Kingdom 12.2
Japan 10.1
Netherlands 9.1
Spain 7.1
Italy 5.7

These are the suicide rates of the top 14 countries with the highest suacide rates. all of them are very industrialized and very rich. It's true that it dosn't represent the majority but I just wanted to show you this.


Capitalist Imperial
15th May 2002, 22:26
That is interesting, perhaps industrialized nationsthat practice good amounts of capitalism can put a lot of stress and pressure on individuals to succeed and sometimes it becomes too much. No risk, no reward!!!

Anarcho
16th May 2002, 07:11
Those suicide totals are old... I'd like to see some newer ones.

I know that suicide in Japan has skyrocketed.