Rational thinking.

[Revolution Hero]

It is obvious, that the victory of socialism, and communism , as a final stage of socialism , will take place in the future. For those capitalists , who just don't want to reconcile to this fact, I would like to explain, how the history of mankind goes.
Let's think rationally. World history shows us, that on it's way different historical formations have changed each other. Every time exact historical formation was changed on a different progressive one.
Here is progressive line of development:
1. social clan formation;
2. slavery formation;
3. feudal formation;
4. capitalism. Now!!! It can't be that capitalism is a final step of social development of any state, since socialism and communist theory exist.
The future of OUR world is apparent.
Here are the final steps of historical development:
5. socialism;
6. communism!!!

THANK YOU FOR READING!!!

[Nateddi]

Welcome to the board comrade!

I agree for the most part.

In your opinion, do you think that communism can be achieved without a violent revolution? I see you think that socialist reforms are the way to go, do you think they can work?

(Edited by Nateddi at 8:00 pm on Feb. 12, 2002)

[Supermodel]

I certainly like the idea of getting where we are going wothout violence, but that hasn't proven so in the past.

Here is Supermodel's view of the world:


1. social clan formation;
2. slavery formation;
3. feudal formation;
4. capitalism.
5. capitalist-socialism (most of Europe today);
6. captalist-socialist-communism (this BB rules the world)
7. matronocracy (moms rule the world)
8. homocracy (gays rule the world because their moms were too strong-willed)
9. geriocracy (all the old people come back into power because they are the only ones who remember when things made sense)
10. Pharmocracy (the people with the good drugs rule the world)

It's time for my nap....

[Thine Stalin]

And yet soviet russia reverted back to capitalism, perhaps it is longer before the entire world see's capitalism for what it is, and communism's possibilities

[Kez]

after communism is......
kamoism

when there are great big pictures of me on every wall,
me with a big fat cheesy grin
where u can eat kamo cheese and drink kamo beer
and sleep in kamo beds

ALL HAIL KAMO
LONG LIVE KAMO!

hehe
comrade kamo

[James]

hmm

nice idea kamo

but we all know the true future. People will get fed up with your dictator style ways and will all come with me and live in the clouds. yes, thats the future, the clouds.

[Supermodel]

Hey Kamo, if you're going to be in charge will you marry me?

[Moskitto]

Moskittoism is clearly the best form of communism. It combines things from other idealogies.

[James]

nah
your all living in a fantasy land. Look up, thats where the future is. And if anyone shows up, who you don't like...you puch em off!!! hahahaha i'm waiting for IP to trun up

[Imperial Power]

Speaking of fantasyland Revolutionary Hero lives in one. This whole thread is a joke. I turned up James.

[Revolution Hero]

Well, I don't think that it is just fantasy. You never know , what it gonna happen in the future, but still the future seems apparent for me.
And , yeah socialism and communism can't appear with the help of reforms. Revolution is the mean of changing society , that was shown by Lenin in his "State and Revolution", on the example of Paris Commun.
Sometimes violence is needed in order to achieve great results. All we need is the right situation for the start of Revolution.

[Forever capitalism]

communism had it's time in the sun, and melted in obscurity

[Drifter]

no, i don't agree with the first post at all, what a load of crap, society isn't 'evolving' its just getting bigger and more technologically advanced.
i believe that there must be a better system, but i wouldn't place my bets on one of the old ideologies.
che guevara apperas to have been blind to the posssiblities of a revolution along peacefull lines, i agree with him in the most part about violence.
but what do the rest of you think?

[Revolution Hero]

Drifter, society doesn't stay still, in terms of social economical development. In order to understand this, try to compare capitalism , when it has first appeared, and capitalism we can see nowadays. Technological development makes a different society , with a different economy.
Society IS evolving and developing. History shows us exactly how it goes. But peaceful evolving doesn't take place all the time, Bourgious Revolutions also have changed society and mooved it from feudalism to capitalism.
The task of revolutionary change now is to bring up socialism and communism.

[James]

IP, sorry. I pushed you off. You can stay down there and play with your money

[peaccenicked]

the joke is that capitalist dupes think that capitalism
will last forever. They see stalinism as the end of socialism.
However when stalinism and capitalism end, it will
be at the hands of real socialists and the dupes will
wonder what has happened. You ain't seen nothing yet.

[Imperial Power]

Yes James I will go roll in my millions of dollars with every other American because we are richer then everyone else in the world! give me a break im not rich james. Most Americans are not rich.

[James]

I didn't say you were. i just said that you could play with your money. I didn't state that you had loads of money. So :P. Think before you speak
(your still not alowed on my cloud)

[Moskitto]

Swiss are on average richer than Americans are.

[Revolution Hero]

Quote: from Moskitto on 10:12 am on Feb. 15, 2002
Swiss are on average richer than Americans are.


Because Sweden is almost socialist country.

[Jurhael]

Swiss=Switzerland, RH. :)

And it's true that the Swiss are quite well off. And Scandanavia does better then certain people would like to think. hehehe...at least for now as fascism is on the rise in some of the countries in Europe.

[Imperial Power]

Actually things in Swedin are not as great as they used to be. Their taxes are becoming outrageous, over 50% of their total income. Swedin and Norway luckly have oil to fall back on. This is what keeps their system running.

[Moskitto]

Swedens taxes weren't as bad as they used to be. There used to be a 110% band for the top level of income tax. This was really bad because the people who were paying those taxes just left the country.

Switzerland is rich because it's economy actually works and they can manage it. VAT is lower than the EU so they don't want to join.

Britain on the other hand is an example of an economy that doesn't work. In Britain there are falling income taxes, but rising council and spending taxes. And no public services of any decent quality. Also the government is the biggest spender on advertising.

[Jurhael]

Sweden's taxes are indeed quite high. However, despite any problems they may have, they are still VERY efficient in their services. Same with Norway.

The reason why the taxes are so high there is because Sweden is a small country with nowhere near as many people than the US. In fact, the US can have all sorts of nice things(like public health care) for lesser cost BECAUSE of the higher population. Kind of like buying things in bulk.

Problem is the government pork, like 900$ wrenches and 30,000$ toilet seats.

Eh...110%? There's no way taxes could be that high...

"Switzerland is rich because it's economy actually works and they can manage it."

Yup. :)



(Edited by Jurhael at 6:58 am on Feb. 16, 2002)

[FSLNguerrillero]

Aye, true that taxes are high, but when you think about it, it'll go on to help in the end. As for 110% taxes, I don't know about that, but that sounds like a good idea for a CEO tax, lol. Truely, who needs millions upon millions of dollars, a year!

[Moskitto]

it wasn't 110% taxes for all taxes. It was done in bands and the levels rapidly rose. The top band of say, anything over 40,000 a year you paid everything above that plus 10% so if you earned 50,000 you paid 11,000 as part of the top band of income tax. It was very silly.

[peaccenicked]

Sweden is a mixed economy under a lot of pressure to
privatise everything from the US. THe US is tyrying to force its 'model' on the world. When it is the truly sick society despite its relative wealth.

[Jurhael]

Indeed...and if they cannot do it covertly, they do it overtly with dictatorships.

I think the US conservatives want the US to be like a typical third world country and want the rest of the world to be the same.