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Capitalist
9th February 2002, 01:22
Who are the real prisoners in Cuba?

Taliban & Al-Queda terrorists detained by the USA at Guantamano Bay

or

Cubans imprisoned by Fidel Castro and other Communists.

Who are the real prisoners?

Capitalist
9th February 2002, 01:30
Since 1956, Hubert Matos helped the rebels in the Sierra Maestra. He supported Che Guevara's overthrow of forces at Santiago de Cuba - delivering shipments upon shipments of needed arms.

Castro appointed him governor of Camaguey Province in Cuba as reward.

Matos strongly disagreed with Che Guevara and other influential communists. He opposed Communism and promoted true Democracy. He stepped down from his appointed position because he was not elected, but appointed.

He was convicted of "anti-communist" tendencies.

Castro subjected him to a Moscow-Style Trial.

Witnesses were prevented from testifying in his defense.

Fidel Castro testified "It's Matos or Me"

MATOS RECEIVED a 20 YEAR SENTENCE (which he served to the last day)

Crime - "Anti-Communist Tendencies", Supported Democracy

Capitalist
9th February 2002, 01:43
The Escrambray Movement consisted of many Castro opponents who went into hiding - many of whom were previously pro Castro and Anti-Batista.

Deprived of democratic freedoms and the promiss of democracy, they fought to overthrow Fidel Castro

Jesus Carreras, Once an Anti Batista Rebel as a youngster, joined the Castro rebel movement early. He opposed Che Guevara's policies as early as 1958. Wounded in combat, Carreras was dragged before a firing squad, after Che Guevara refused to grant him a stay of execution.

In La Loma de los Coches Prison more than 1000 "CounterRevolutionaries" were shot. Many were once supporters for Fidel Castro and Echevarria's failed urban democratic guerilla movement.

Capitalist
9th February 2002, 01:58
Pedro Luis Boitel (Sentenced 10 YEARS in PRISON)

Young civil engineering student who ran for the presidency of the Federation of University Students. He previously opposed Batista, but also opposed Castro.

Another student named Rolanda Cubella was the Castro preferred candidate of the regime and was elected with help from the Castro Brothers.

Boitel was soon arrested after the election and sentenced to 10 YEARS for counter-revolutionary ideals.

Boitel died in prison in 1972 after beginning a hunger strike that lasted 49 days. On the 49th day - Boitel slipped into a coma. The Cuban Authorities refused to intervene with medical aid. He died 53 days after beginning his hunger strike.

The Cuban Authorities refused to allow his mother to see the body.

Capitalist
9th February 2002, 02:02
David Salvador (12 YEARS IN PRISON)

Principal CTC leader, David Salvador, a man of the left broke with the People's Socialist Party over it's refusal to condemn Batista. He organized strikes at big American sugar plants in 1955 - was arrested and tortured by the Batista Regime.

David supported the April 1958 strike (Organized by Fidel Castro's Underground July 26 Movement)

After being democratically elected as secretary general of the CTC in 1959, Salvador was forced to work with 2 orthodox Communists APPOINTED WITHOUT DEMOCRATIC MANDATE by Che Guevara's Economic Office.

Salvador resisted their communist influence - but after spring of 1960 - his power became increasingly reduced by Castro's policies. In June - he went into hiding, but in August 1962 - he was arrested and spent the NEXT 12 YEARS in CASTRO PRISON. Thus Castro forced off the stage another major figure in the anti-Batista Movement.

Capitalist
9th February 2002, 02:06
William Morgan & Humberto Sori Marin - Castro Guerilla Leaders that later opposed Castro after the promiss of democracy was denied.

Both arrested and sentenced to jail.

William Morgan - shot/executed a year after his arrest.

Capitalist
9th February 2002, 02:14
La Cabana - Infamous Prison in Cuba

Prisoners known to smear themselves in their own shit to avoid being raped by other prisoners.

Iron Cages still used to hold prisoners - 1 meter wide by 1.8 meters high and about 10 meters long.

in August 1995 a hunger strike was launched jointly by political and common prisoners seeking to draw attention from the world = Nobody cared or noticed.

Cells with extreme temperatures - both high and low.

Prisoners awakened every 20 to 30 minutes to enhance sleep deprevation

Prisoners kept naked or totally isolated for several months.

Infectious food and contaminated diseases.

Typhus and leptospirosis are common diseases

poncho
9th February 2002, 03:40
Think you forgot to mention the soldiers holding the spectators at gun point juring Castro rally's...

bleed3r
9th February 2002, 04:13
do you feel the need to talk to yourself or are you just impatient?

Capitalist
9th February 2002, 05:00
I feel the need to expose people to the truth about the communist dictatorship that Che Guevara and Fidel Castro created.

poncho
9th February 2002, 05:35
"I feel the need to expose people to the truth about the communist dictatorship that Che Guevara and Fidel Castro created."--Capitalist

My last post was of course sarcastic. Believe it or not! the majority of Cubans are very happy living under Castro and his government. Actuelly they love him. Have you spoken with the average Cuban living on the Island? I have, they do have "gripes" but overall they are aware of the slavery that will incurr if the Americans can once again rule them as a colony. Ever think that what your spreading is lie's?

Capitalist
9th February 2002, 05:54
No I've talked to the average Cuban that has escaped Cuba by boat.

I am half Cuban - I understand the bullshit life my brothers are forced to live under.

bleed3r
9th February 2002, 08:18
If, by copying and pasting random snippets of useless inaccurate information, you are "exposing people to the truth about communist dictatorship", then you're all too self righteous my friend.
First off, how much of that did you actually write? or are you just another boring propagandist trying to look like you "have a view"?
Second, what are your sources and did you ever stop to question the validity of such? i'm no expert on che, (and I wont claim to be one, I'm mainly here to learn) but this sounds like nothing more than petty dehumanizing propaganda bullshit to me. I await verification.

peaccenicked
9th February 2002, 10:40
from the CIA factbook
Cuba People Top of Page
Population: 11,184,023 (July 2001 est.)
Age structure: 0-14 years: 20.99% (male 1,205,159; female 1,142,070)

15-64 years: 69.14% (male 3,876,432; female 3,855,878)

65 years and over: 9.87% (male 511,589; female 592,895) (2001 est.)
Population growth rate: 0.37% (2001 est.)
Birth rate: 12.36 births/1,000 population (2001 est.)
Death rate: 7.33 deaths/1,000 population (2001 est.)
Net migration rate: -1.36 migrant(s)/1,000 population (2001 est.)
Sex ratio: at birth: 1.06 male(s)/female

under 15 years: 1.06 male(s)/female

15-64 years: 1.01 male(s)/female

65 years and over: 0.86 male(s)/female

total population: 1 male(s)/female (2001 est.)
Infant mortality rate: 7.39 deaths/1,000 live births (2001 est.)
Life expectancy at birth: total population: 76.41 years

male: 74.02 years

female: 78.94 years (2001 est.)
Total fertility rate: 1.6 children born/woman (2001 est.)
HIV/AIDS - adult prevalence rate: 0.03% (1999 est.)
HIV/AIDS - people living with HIV/AIDS: 1,950 (1999 est.)
HIV/AIDS - deaths: 120 (1999 est.)
Nationality: noun: Cuban(s)

adjective: Cuban
Ethnic groups: mulatto 51%, white 37%, black 11%, Chinese 1%
Religions: nominally 85% Roman Catholic prior to CASTRO assuming power; Protestants, Jehovah's Witnesses, Jews, and Santeria are also represented
Languages: Spanish
Literacy: definition: age 15 and over can read and write

total population: 95.7%

male: 96.2%

female: 95.3% (1995 est.)
People - note: illicit migration is a continuing problem; Cubans attempt to depart the island and enter the US using homemade rafts, alien smugglers, direct flights, or falsified visas; some 3,000 Cubans took to the Straits of Florida in 2000; the US Coast Guard interdicted about 35% of these migrants; Cubans also use non-maritime routes to enter the US; some 2,400 Cubans arrived overland via the southwest border and direct flights to Miami
Here is Mexico
Mexico People Top of Page
Population: 101,879,171 (July 2001 est.)
Age structure: 0-14 years: 33.32% (male 17,312,220; female 16,635,438)

15-64 years: 62.28% (male 30,888,015; female 32,558,359)

65 years and over: 4.4% (male 1,997,219; female 2,487,920) (2001 est.)
Population growth rate: 1.5% (2001 est.)
Birth rate: 22.77 births/1,000 population (2001 est.)
Death rate: 5.02 deaths/1,000 population (2001 est.)
Net migration rate: -2.77 migrant(s)/1,000 population (2001 est.)
Sex ratio: at birth: 1.05 male(s)/female

under 15 years: 1.04 male(s)/female

15-64 years: 0.95 male(s)/female

65 years and over: 0.8 male(s)/female

total population: 0.97 male(s)/female (2001 est.)
Infant mortality rate: 25.36 deaths/1,000 live births (2001 est.)
Life expectancy at birth: total population: 71.76 years

male: 68.73 years

female: 74.93 years (2001 est.)
Total fertility rate: 2.62 children born/woman (2001 est.)
HIV/AIDS - adult prevalence rate: 0.29% (1999 est.)
HIV/AIDS - people living with HIV/AIDS: 150,000 (1999 est.)
HIV/AIDS - deaths: 4,700 (1999 est.)
Nationality: noun: Mexican(s)

adjective: Mexican
Ethnic groups: mestizo (Amerindian-Spanish) 60%, Amerindian or predominantly Amerindian 30%, white 9%, other 1%
Religions: nominally Roman Catholic 89%, Protestant 6%, other 5%
Languages: Spanish, various Mayan, Nahuatl, and other regional indigenous languages
Literacy: definition: age 15 and over can read and write

total population: 89.6%

male: 91.8%

female: 87.4% (1995 est.)
Then there is no report of Mexican emigration.
Why is CUBA singled out? Why do you single out cuba?

Capitalist
15th February 2002, 20:51
Your arguement is totally flawed.

1. - Mexico has a larger population than Cuba.

2. - Mexico has always been a poor country, Cuba was once a very wealthy country.

3. - Almost as many Cubans live outside Cuba than live inside Cuba.

A People Divided by Communist Dictatorship.

Like Germany once was.

Moskitto
15th February 2002, 21:02
the migration rate is a figure per 1,000 of the population. This isn't affected by the total population.

elizquierdista
15th February 2002, 21:23
Now for some US history;

Mexico wouldn't be so poor had the US not taken the Mexican territories (Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada, Utah, Colorado [ I apologize if I missed any]). The US stole all that just to increase the amount of states that could own slaves back in the 1800's. Then in the 1900's, for some reason they sought imperialism (exploitation of other countries for the increase of wealth and power of one country). They began by dividing the Colombian people, they armed the Panameños and caused Civil War. They built, with mostly back-breaking Latin-American labor, the Panama Canal and didn't give it back till 100 years later.

They also got Puerto Rico (which on a side note had participation in government while ruled by Spain, but went back to being a colony after the Americans took it) and Cuba plus other small acquisitions during the Spanish-American War. The Cuban streets of La Habana until the Cuban Revolution were ruled by prostitutes, gangsters, and other shit.

Yes, Castro is an asshole (the only reason I say this is because he sent "Che Guevara" to his death) but he's had the balls for many years now to oppose the Americans, when he believes them to be mistaken, from his little island. Capitalist, it's obvious that you've no idea what the 3rd world is, or what it feels to have had a country that was once rich and is now poor because of american intervention and CIA bullshit (most if not all Latin-American countries).

Capitalist
19th February 2002, 02:25
Again blaming the USA for it's crimes against Mexico and Humanity does not excuse the fact that Castro's Cuba is abusing human rights too.

Quit spinning arguements into anti-USA arguements. The point is clear.

Who are the real prisoners in Cuba?

American Taliban Prisoners?

or

Fidel Castro's Prisoners?

Perhaps both - but the human rights being violated are definitely the Castro Prisoners. Nobody cares about Castro's horrible human rights record.

Nobody Cares.

poncho
19th February 2002, 03:48
How do you know Cuba has a terrible human rights record? What makes you think that Cubans are prisoners? Cubans make it perfectly clear that they love there country the way it is. Ask around you will not find one person that knows someone who was tortured or someone that feels they are a prisoner.Some things in cuba are screwed-up its not perfect but for the most part life is pretty good for the people. I know an American that arranged to meet his Cuban girlfriend in Europe because he was caught and fined on his last trip to the Island. This mini-vacation cost the guy a flipping fortune. Net she "escaped' the island spent two weeks in Italy and returned home to Cuba.Yes going to America was a option but she likes her life.

The political prisoners are criminals against the sovereign free people of Cuba and are where they belong in Jail.

Capitalist
26th February 2002, 15:52
Ana Rodriguez (19 YEARS IN CASTRO'S PRISON)

a young medical student arrested by Cuba's state security police in 1962 for her role in the anti-Castro movement. Initially a Castro supporter, Rodriguez joined in the struggle against him after his oppressive, totalitarian intentions became clear. In prison, despite beatings, starvation, confinement to blackout cells, and other abuses, Rodriguez and a handful of other women withstood all attempts at political intimidation, re-education, and rehabilitation. During her 19 years as a political prisoner, she broke out twice, organized other prisoners against injustices, and fought the brutal prison administrators with astonishing courage and unshakable belief in her convictions.

Rodriguez (with Miami Herald reporter Glenn Garvin) wrote a breathtaking, spellbinding documentary of Cuban prison life. Diary of a Survivor is not only a fascinating and well-written memoir but also a testament to human strength and dignity in the face of shocking human-rights abuses.

poncho
26th February 2002, 19:57
Ana Rodriguez (19 YEARS IN CASTRO'S PRISON)

She attempted to start a revolution by mobilizing a student army, as a criminal she deserved to be in jail. Know that she is in the hands of the Miami Mafia liars they spin this tail of abuse and torture, so when the Miami terrorists get caught doing another terrorist act against Cuba they will get the sympathy of the American people.

Torture does not happen in Cuba you cannot find one incidant rumor or otherwise on the island.

Capitalist
28th February 2002, 20:39
Another Example of Poncho Bullshit.

It is perfectly fine for Fidel Castro and Che Guevara to conduct a Communist armed struggle against Batista's Dictatorship.

It is NOT O.K. for Ana Rodriguez to organize a Democratic armed struggle against Castro's Extreme Tyranny.

Poncho's statement is the perfect example of Communist Hypocrisy.

Fidel Castro serves only 15 months in jail for the Moncada Attacks in Santiago, Cuba. A surprise attack on Batista's soldiers during the early morning after a Holiday (St. Santiago Patron Saint Day) in which the soldiers drank heavily the night before. The next morning, 80 Batista soldiers are killed, most in their hangover sleep. 19 Fidel Rebels are killed later by Batista' Army. Fidel, who most likely fled the scene immediately since he and his brother were one of the very few rebels to escape Batista's vegeant army that morning. I strongly believe that Fidel led his men into a suicide attack and fled the seen quickly after it started to avoid being killed himself.

It is O.K. for Castro & Guevara to conduct coward/surprise attacks through the art of Guerilla/Terrorist Warfare.

Yet, Ana Rodriguez - Who killed nobody through her democratic armed struggle - is sentenced to 19 years of jail - that included beatings, starvation, blacked-out cells, etc.

Poncho why don't you explain to us how Ana deserved her punishment, yet Fidel Castro & Che Guevara were completely justified in there struggle.

EXPLAIN TO ME - SPECIFICALLY

HOW - Fidel Castro is justified in Armed Struggle

Yet - Ana Rodriguez is not justified Armed Struggle

There is no such thing as a Miami Mafia. You have been watching too much Scar Face with Al Pacino.

The Miami Exiles are probably the most ignored and misunderstood exiled group.

More than 1/5 of Cubanos live outside of Cuba. How can one explain such a large number and still justify Che Guevara and Fidel Castro did good for Cuba?

Supermodel
28th February 2002, 20:44
Capitalist, please describe the difference between what Fidel Castro and Che Guevara did for Cuba, versus what George Washington did for the US during the American Revolution.



(Edited by Supermodel at 9:44 pm on Feb. 28, 2002)

Capitalist
28th February 2002, 20:57
Very Very Very Simple

George Washington Revolution = Democracy

Fidel Castro Revolution = Communism, Tyranny, Oppression

Moskitto
28th February 2002, 21:02
Castro's Extreme Tyranny.

It isn't an extreme tyrany. If it is an extreme tyranny what would you call the absolute terror in the Belgian Congo or the slightly less than absolute terror in Stalin's USSR.

Everything else that you say makes sense though.

Capitalist
28th February 2002, 21:21
George Washington Revolution
(Unless you were African or Indian)

Freedom of Speech

Right to Bear Arms

Freedom of Press/Media

Freedom of Enterprise (Abolished Taxes)

Freedom to fair representation/democracy

Right to trial by jury

Right to Assembly & Unionize

George Washington was elected President by the people, for the people - and he disliked Political Parties


Fidel Castro's Revolution

No Freedom of Speech

No Right to Bear Arms - unless you are military

No freedom of Press/Media

No freedom of Enterprise

No right to fair/open elections

No right to assemble without government permission

Fidel Castro appointed himself Prime Minister until 1977 when he was elected President (He was the only person on the ballot - and the only member of the Communist Party to run in the election. The Communist Party is the only party allowed to run elections - no other party may operate in Cuba.

peaccenicked
28th February 2002, 21:28
What has the distortions of stalinism
in cuba got to do with socialism.
Why not read the communist manifesto and tell me the connection.

Capitalist
4th March 2002, 19:28
Reading the communist manifesto = Waste of time.

Communist Manifesto = Non Reality

Communist Cuba, China, USSR = Reality

Karl Marx = Author of Utopia Fiction

Stalin, Fidel, Pol Pot = Real Life Tyrants

What has the communist manifesto have to do with reality?

If you want reality fiction

try George Orwell's 1984, or Animal Farm.

Now that is Fiction that represents Reality.

peaccenicked
4th March 2002, 19:33
Cuba: 40 years on, defend the gains of the revolution!
Forty years ago, on January 1st 1959 a general strike paralysed Cuba and forced dictator Batista to flee the country. In a few days the July 26 Movement guerrillas, led by Fidel Castro and Ernesto Che Guevara entered the capital Havana and were received as heroes by the masses. The Cuban revolution had succeeded. What was the programme of that movement? What was the social basis of that revolution? In order to understand these and other questions we must look back a few years.

In 1898, Spain lost Cuba, one of the few remnants of her former colonial power. But that did not mean independence for Cuba. The island was just transferred from one colonial master to another: the United States of America. For three years after 1898, Cuba was militarily occupied and ruled by the US and the Cuban Republic was only declared on 1902, after Washington passed the Platt amendment declaring the right of the US to militarily intervene in the island at any time. Cuban politics for the next 60 years were to be determined by the US who did actually send troops to the island on several occasions (1906, 1912, 1917, 1920 and 1933).

The Cuban economy was also largely dominated by the US. The island's main source of income was sugar cane which was sold at preferential prices to the powerful northern neighbour. Most of the country's sugar mills were in the hands of American companies and so were most of the other key sectors of the economy (oil, electricity, telephone etc). The crushing domination of the US relied on a system of land property which remained basically the same as under Spanish domination: a few landowners had most of the land, while the majority of peasants were landless labourers. Fewer than 0.1% of the farms represented 20% of the land while at the other end of the scale 39% of the farms represented only 3.3% of the land.

The only other group to benefit from this situation was the small and very weak Cuban bourgeoisie, confined to manufacturing the very few things not made by US subsidiaries.

Meanwhile the living conditions of the Cuban masses were appalling. In good years 25% of the workforce was unemployed and the percentage went up to 50% in bad years. Illiteracy was very high and the average per capita income was only US$312 (compared to US$2,279 in Delaware).

For years the Cuban workers played a key role in the struggle against imperialism and to advance their own interests. A high point was the huge wave of strikes and demonstrations, including armed uprisings and the establishment of revolutionary councils in the sugar mills, in the 1930s. This led to the overthrow of General Machado's US puppet government, which was soon replaced by an army coup led by Fulgencio Batista.

Stalinist theory

Unfortunately, the Cuban Communist Party, instead of relying on the revolutionary might of the Cuban workers adopted the Stalinist theory of the "two-stages". According to this, they were supposed to look for an alliance with the so-called "progressive national bourgeoisie" in order to complete the "anti-imperialist and democratic revolution" and only after that would the struggle for socialism be on the agenda. This theory was utterly divorced from Cuban conditions, and indeed from the real class relationships in any of the colonial countries. The Cuban landowners and the tiny bourgeoisie were completely linked to and dominated by the US. They had no intention whatsoever of carrying through the tasks of the bourgeois revolution (distribution of the land, fight for national independence) because that would have meant dealing a mortal blow to themselves.

The Cuban Communist Party in its search for a non-existent 'progressive national bourgeoisie' discovered Batista to be the representative of this class and decided to support him. In exchange, the CP was legalised during the Batista dictatorship and even got two cabinet ministers in 1942.

Batista was replaced by the corrupt civilian government of Grau San Martín which in its turn was overthrown by Batista in a second military coup in 1952. The succession of corrupt governments and military coups with the real power in the island remaining firmly in the hand of the US and their local crooks created widespread discontent amongst the population, including the petty-bourgeois layers. Thousands of small businessmen made bankrupt by the big monopolies, students who resented the domination of their country by a foreign power, and small landowners paralysed by the US-backed big landlords entered into opposition. In 1953, a group of students and intellectuals decided to do something to put an end to this state of affairs and with a handful of followers launched an assault on the Montcada barracks on July 26th. Amongst them were Fidel Castro and his brother Raul. They were defeated and jailed but as soon as they were released they went to Mexico where they set themselves the task of organising a guerrilla group, the July 26th Movement, which landed in Cuba in 1956.

The programme of this movement was that of the revolutionary petty-bourgeoisie: distribution of land plots of more than 1,100 acres with compensation for the owners, a profit-sharing scheme for the workers aimed at expanding the domestic market, and the end of the quota system under which the US controlled sugar cane production. The 1956 Programme Manifesto of the 26-J Movement defined itself as "guided by the ideals of democracy, nationalism and social justice ... of Jeffersonian democracy". The same document also stated the aim to reach a "state of solidarity and harmony between capital and workers in order to raise the country's productivity".

They launched a heroic 3 year long guerrilla struggle which won the overwhelming support of the Cuban people, with only the exception of the tiny handful of people directly linked to the landlords and US imperialism. The main base of the movement during the fighting itself were the landless peasants and small producers in the countryside, for whom the only way of solving their problems was the expropriation of the landlords. Batista's army, made up itself mainly of peasants rapidly began to disintegrate during the fighting.

On January 1959 a general strike was declared which forced Batista to flee the country. Fidel Castro's guerrillas entered Santiago de Cuba and in a few days Havana and proclaimed a new government. Just after seizing power Castro went to the US in a goodwill tour declaring in New York "I have clearly and definitely stated that we are not Communists... The gates are open for private investment that contributes to the development of Cuba".

The problem was that even this limited programme of progressive reforms clashed head on with the interests of the big landlords and the US multinationals. In other words, to carry through the programme of the democratic bourgeois revolution in a backward country in the epoch of imperialism meant to challenge capitalism and imperialism itself. This had already been proved by the practical experience of the Russian Revolution in 1917. The Bolsheviks had argued that the national democratic revolution could only be led in a backward country like Russia by the working class (which represented no more than 10% of the population at that time).

Socialist revolution

The workers, having taken power at the head of the other oppressed classes, especially the peasantry, would then proceed to carry through the tasks of the socialist revolution as the only way to ensure the survival of the revolution. But, as the national democratic revolution also challenged the interests of imperialism, in order to survive, the revolution had to spread internationally seeking the help of the mighty working class in the advanced capitalist countries.

Trotsky was the first one to give a full theoretical explanation of this theory which is known as the permanent revolution. The revolution in a backward country therefore, has to be 'permanent' in two regards: because it starts with the national democratic tasks and continues with the socialist ones, and because it starts in one country but has to spread internationally in order to succeed.

The events which followed Castro's seizure of power in Cuba are a remarkable confirmation of this theory, which is even more striking because of the fact that Castro was forced to act in the opposite way to what he intended.

As soon as the new government started to seize the land owned by the big landlords (some of them US companies) they tried to organise resistance against these measures and were backed by the US. The masses, aroused by the revolutionary takeover were also putting enormous pressure on the government with a wave of land seizures and factory occupations and strikes.

The conflict came to a head in 1960 when the three oil companies in the island (all of them US-owned) refused to refine a delivery of Russian oil to Cuba. The Cuban government then "intervened" placing them under government supervision. The US retaliated by cutting the quota for Cuban sugar, but Russia offered to buy it. Then the Cuban government decided to nationalise the electricity company, the telephone company, the oil refinery and the sugar mills. Afterwards all Cuban subsidiaries of US companies were also nationalised and finally the biggest Cuban companies were taken into public ownership. The US government retaliated by putting in place a trade embargo (which is still in place) and preparing military intervention to overthrow the regime. In 1961 all diplomatic relations between the two countries were broken.

As we have seen Castro and his comrades had no intention whatsoever of eliminating capitalism and landlordism in the island. They were pushed to do so by a combination of the mistakes and blunders of the US and the pressure of the Cuban masses. But the key factor was that no fundamental change could ever be implemented in Cuba under capitalism. In the epoch of imperialism there is no room for a small colonial country to achieve real independence and advance unless it breaks fundamentally with capitalism. And this, Castro and his comrades of the 26-J Movement found out by their own experience.

Overthrow

The Cuban Communist Party played almost no role in the overthrow of Batista because its political activity was firmly rooted in the anti-Bolshevik theory of the two stages. They even denounced Castro as a "gangster"!

Undoubtedly, the support for the new regime was overwhelming. Two hundred thousand workers and soldiers were organised in a popular militia and Committees for the Defence of the Revolution organised in every neighbourhood and every village. Thus when the CIA sponsored an invasion of the island in April 1961, the Cuban emigre invasion force was rapidly crushed. For the first time in their lives, workers and peasants had something to defend, something to fight and even die for.

The revolution enjoyed mass support since its advantages were there for everyone to see: an enormous advance of the living standards, the eradication of illiteracy, one of the best health systems in the world, etc. But without workers control and management of the state and the economy there can be no socialism and the development of bureaucracy and mismanagement is inevitable. This is on of the most important lessons to be drawn from the collapse of the Soviet Union.

The way the new regime had come to power was to shape the organisation of the new state. The working class is the only class that, because of its working conditions and the role it plays in production, is able to adopt a collectivist viewpoint. During the process of the Russian revolution hundreds of thousands of workers, peasants and soldiers went through the school of the soviets, revolutionary committees where all decisions were taken democratically, and gained confidence in their own ability to run their own lives.

But the Cuban revolution was led by a handful of intellectuals and in the process of the fighting itself no more than a few hundred participated. The masses played mainly a secondary role. And this situation was to remain afterwards. There was a workers and peasants' militia and revolutionary committees, but their role was not to rule but only to approve decisions taken elsewhere. Hundreds of thousands gathered to listen to the speeches of the leaders, but they were not allowed to take decisions.

When the new regime broke with capitalism the model it based itself on was not that of Russian soviet democracy of 1917, but that of Russia 1961 when all vestiges of workers control had been eradicated long ago. An example of this can be seen in the fact that the Communist Party was created in 1965, its first congress did not take place until 1975, ten years later!

Scarcity

The lack of democracy and the scarcity of basic products (largely due to the criminal embargo decreed by US imperialism) has meant an increase in scepticism amongst the younger generation. The older generation remains largely loyal to the regime because they know how life was under the domination of the landlords and imperialism and if they look around to the neighbouring states they see a cruel reminder of what life would be like if capitalism were restored.

Socialists all over the world have the duty to defend the Cuban revolution against the attempts of US imperialism to destroy it, but also against the attempts of European capitalism to restore the rule of capital bit by bit. At the same time we have to explain that genuine socialism cannot be established unless there is real workers democracy and above all that socialism cannot be built in a single island. The best contribution we can make to defend the gains of the Cuban revolution is to fight for socialism in our own countries.

by Jorge Martin
January 1999

(Note: the author would be very interested in receiving your views comments and criticisms on this article. Send them to [email protected])

M cin
5th March 2002, 16:50
Oink oink, capitalist. Im beginning to develop a rush and scratcing it doesnt help.
You r the cause of this mental urticaria. You may not b the most gifted intellect here, but hey - it doesnt stops you from saying anything anytime at all, if u follow...
Who fucking cares what u think of a poor country, haressed by their chubby neighbour who thinks half of the world is his own domain (for the time being).
Why dont you recitate proclamation of independence while u blow your history teach. He hasnt learned u much, but that doesnt trouble you at all.

So why dont u take your equals and your synonymes and shover it where they come from!

I Will Deny You
5th March 2002, 23:06
Quote: from Capitalist on 9:39 pm on Feb. 28, 2002
There is no such thing as a Miami Mafia. You have been watching too much Scar Face with Al Pacino.
Back in the day when Scarface was made, the Mafia still controlled the drug trade (if I'm not mistaken) in which case there certainly would have been a Miami Mafia. Lots of witnesses in mob trials relocated to Miami through the Witness Protection Program, so there are definitely mafiosos down there.

I realize that what I just said isn't specifically relevant, but this thread doesn't make much sense anyway (just like everything else in this forum). One thing that should be noted, however, is that the Cuban revolution was started because of oppression, poverty and imperialism while the American revolution was started because of the Stamp Tax.

Capitalist
6th March 2002, 21:52
The Cuban Revolution & The American Revolution were started for the same reasons!

The people were NOT represented by their oppressive government

The American Revolution was served well by it's Pro-Democratic leaders.

Free Elections/Democracy

Free Enterprise/Capitalism

Freedom to Assembly/Unions

Freedom to Bear Arms (Not just military/government)

Freedom of Press/Media

Freedom of Speech (Even speech against the government)

Freedom of Religion (Which most communist assume nobody should have a right to)

A system that allowed for change/evolution (slavery ended, women gained equal rights, different nationalities would be allowed to participate - over time)

Under Cuba's Revolution - A revolution stolen by the Communist from the Democrats

The EXACT OPPOSITE

No free Elections/Democracy (Tyranny controlled by Fidel Castro and One/Only allowed political party - Communists)

Ban on Free Enterprise/Capitalism

No Freedom to Assemble

Military/government officials are the ONLY people allowed to bear arms (reinforces state control over the people)

No freedom of Press/Media (including foreign press - are subjected to censorship - so that we only see the good side - like the Cigar Auction contribution to medicine)

NO Freedom of Speech (Especially speech against the government - can easily land someone in jail for 20 years - for simply speaking their mind)

Freedom of Religion (Totally banned at one time - strongly discourged now through government demotions)

You Communists need to quit spinning every arguement into an Anti Capitalist or American arguement and start looking at the FUCKING FACTS behind what is going on behind the Walls of communists countries.

You can not ignore the human rights abuse of China, North Korea, Cuba, Vietnam, ect. - simply because they agree with your hatred of America.

peaccenicked
6th March 2002, 22:00
If you started reading other peoples ideas you might learn how to question recieved information.

SU37
16th April 2002, 02:08
Quote: from Capitalist on 4:51 pm on Feb. 15, 2002
Your arguement is totally flawed.






A People Divided by Communist Dictatorship.

Like Germany once was.

German people weren't Divided because of the U.S.S.R .The Soviet Union took east germany and America took west . Capitalism was apart of it too, so don't go around mocking Communism, because Capitaliam has done some fucked up shit. In vietnam America helped south vietnese deliver drugs for money to buy ammo,America does that and they say Capitalism is against drugs. Sorry comrades about the cursing.

(Edited by SU37 at 10:33 pm on April 15, 2002)

Capitalist
16th April 2002, 02:58
The only people doing drugs in America are hippies and far-left people. I don't see too many Republicans smoking dope or Strict Fundemental Baptist getting together for prayer and smoking weed.

No drugs tends to be glamorized by liberal Hollywood, The Hippy Generation, and mostly ignorant far left - so called Rebellious People do drugs.

I see a lot of pot smokers who also happen to be ignorant supporters of Che Guevara. "Guevara y Marajuana"

The drug problem is not only an example of evil Capitalism - but definitely a problem more prevelant amongst the far left society than the right.

Am I sterotyping?

Perhaps. But the far left speaks louder in their actions than words. The hippy - far left movement was totally dominated by rampant drug use.

Do not blame Capitalism for drugs.

That is like blaming freedom for murder or rape.

poncho
16th April 2002, 03:19
That last post is the best laugh anywhere on this forum.

Son of Scargill
16th April 2002, 08:22
Lol,yep,that's total bollocks.

Guest
16th April 2002, 08:33
plenty of libertarian republicans like to smoke and do other controlled substances. augusto