Fidel Castro

[Imperial Power]

A gaggle of gullible women from Seattle flew to Havana last week to meet with Cuban dictator Fidel Castro. They found him "charming" and "eloquent." They were especially flattered that Castro -- the head of one of the world's most repressive regimes, listed by the State Department as a sponsor of terrorism -- took time out of his busy schedule to lavish personal attention on them.

"He obviously had read the biographies and knew who each person was," gushed Susan Jeffords, dean of social sciences at the University of Washington. "Charming," she said. Golly gee, Ms. Jeffords, is that because Castro's just such a people person? Or is it because he has had decades of practice memorizing the dossiers of countless political prisoners? Castro also reportedly spent two hours with Sen. Maria Cantwell, D-Wash., and even chaperoned her to the airport in his Mercedes-Benz. You just can't beat communist hospitality.

Connie Niva, another member of the Washington state delegation, sounded like a teen-age groupie who had just returned from a Backstreet Boys concert. "It was an amazing trip," she bubbled to the Everett (Wash.) Herald this week. "You don't have any sense that this is a police state." Well, gosh, Ms. Niva, you wouldn't get that sense from dining on seafood, yukking it up with Castro for five hours, and hopping around Havana all week with government-approved chaperones, would you? Reciting straight from the dictator's propaganda primer, Niva told the Herald that Cubans "are in poverty, but they are very happy people."

These women should have stayed right here in the United States and talked to some of the "happy people" who escaped Castro's regime. They should have lunched with Eugenio de Sosa Chabau, who fled Cuba after two decades as a political prisoner. He could have told them about his 52-page complaint against Castro for crimes against humanity, which he filed with a group of nine Cuban exiles last fall under a Belgian war crimes law. He could have told them about his torture at the hands of Castro's Cuban Security Services in a Havana psychiatric hospital. He could have told them how he was hooked up to wet electrical prods and "treated" with 14 sessions of shock therapy delivered to his temples and testicles.

But he can't tell them now. The 85-year-old de Sosa Chabau, whose torture was documented in a ground-breaking book about Cuba's psychiatric abuse of political dissidents, died earlier this month as the Washington women were giddily packing their Eddie Bauer bags for Castro's dog-and-pony show.

Before his death, de Sosa Chabau had been preparing to testify as a key witness in a federal trial against his torturer - Castro henchman Eriberto Mederos, known by Cuban exiles as the sadistic "El Enfermero" or "the nurse." In 1991, de Sosa Chabau spotted Mederos working at a nursing home facility where one of his relatives resided. Despite detailed media reports of Mederos' abuse, vocal protest from Florida's Cuban-American community, and dogged whistleblowing by former State Department official Richard Krieger, our immigration authorities rewarded Mederos with U.S. citizenship in the spring of 1993.

Krieger, who runs a watchdog humanitarian group called International Education Missions in Florida, spearheaded the drive to denaturalize Mederos. In September 2001, Mederos was arrested for illegally obtaining citizenship and will face trial in July 2002. Although de Sosa Chabau was the key witness against Mederos, more than a dozen other surviving victims have agreed to provide depositions and testimony. In the meantime, Mederos is out on $500,000 bail in Miami - and Castro has condemned the trial against Mederos as a trick by his enemies to discredit his "revolution."

The subject didn't come up when the Seattle women lunched with Castro earlier this month. Instead, Connie Niva praised the "good quality health care" Cubans receive and learned that Castro is more of a "merlot guy" than a champagne guy. "Terribly charming," Ms. Niva said of her host.

No. Just terrible.

[vox]

From where did you copy and paste this, Coward?

And why no answer to the other threads? Too scared to be exposed as an intellectual lightweight? Don't worry, that's already obvious.

vox

[Moskitto]

-Completely Unrelated-

The funniest and strangest thing that could happen next on this forum would probably be Fidel Castro joining. Although it is unlikely, I'd probably cause my own death with laughter.

-Related-

This looks copied and pasted, but I have not seen this before. It's probably a news story from a right-wing website.

[Imperial Power]

Vox

Are you trying to cyber bully me?

"From where did you copy and paste this, Coward?"

You sound like a prick my friend. Vox I've caught you time and again speaking outright bullshit. You can't change facts yet you do. You liar because socialism does hold up to debate. It's shortcomings are so easy to point out that just to make you feel better you need to lie.

[vox]

Imperialist,

I'm simply stating the facts. You don't respond to posts made directly to you. You avoid hard questions.

As for socialism, you've said nothing about it to me, for in your meager responses you only spoke of current legislation.

You're a coward and a fool, I say. If that makes me a prick, so be it. To be dishonored by inhuman filth is to be honored by all that is good and pure in the human spirit.

vox (still thinks you're just too dumb or just too scared to answer)

[Moskitto]

The main arguement against socialism (Human nature is by definition greedy.) Completely destroys the therory that voluntary donations can be used to keep the essential services working.

[Imperial Power]

Vox did you just say I was inhuman filth? Your pathetic

[vox]

"Your pathetic"

Not quite as pathetic as your grammar.

vox

PS Didn't you just call me a prick?

(Edited by vox at 6:08 pm on Feb. 6, 2002)

[Reuben]

If your so interested in opposing torture why not suggest they find people who may have been tortured by the U.S. backed Batista regime, or even better by the U.S. backed pinochet regime who in the case of a radical singer (Forgotten his name) they cut off his hands before killing.

I do have another point though I think it is already covered by my avatar.

[Moskitto]

That's the thing with that avatar, I think it needs a pause between Is A and wanker, It would give greater anticipation for the reader.

[Xvall]

As far as I've sen it, you capitalists seem to revolve aroun the same logiv in order to 'win' your posts. You relentlessly bash Fidel Castro and Che Guevera in a seemingly endless number of posts. Not once have you been able to state correct facts against our ideals, but rather go about calling us names, or just saying:

"u SuK!1!!!11 g0d bl3$$ @merica! DOWN wit KomUniZm!!"

Those are what that basis of your responses are. And if you don't feel like claiming that America is the promiseland simply because "I was born in it!!", you swear at us. If you're going to post replys on this board at least think them out first. I tend to see the same questions, and the same responses.

- Drake Dracoli

[Guest]

Quote: from Moskitto on 10:29 pm on Feb. 6, 2002
-Completely Unrelated-

The funniest and strangest thing that could happen next on this forum would probably be Fidel Castro joining. Although it is unlikely, I'd probably cause my own death with laughter.

It'd be good if he did join, but he's proably got better things to do

[Moskitto]

Castro Joins Che-Lives, An epic by Moskitto.

<Castro> I don't understanc it, why does the west not like me.
<Advisor1> I am unsure myself comrade.
<Advisor2> I have read western newspapers and they talk about human rights abuses.
<Castro> Human rights abuses? In MY country, neah, it could never be.
<Advisor2> Why don't you use the internet to find what people in the rest of the world think of you.
<Castro> The internet, eh?

*Castro and advisors move towards computer*

<Castro> Ok how do I use this thing?
<Advisor3> You type in something in that box.
<Castro> That box?
<Advisor1> No that's the stop button, the one below it.
<Castro> Now how do I find stuff about me.
<Advisor2> Try a search engine say, www.altavista.com
<Castro> hmmm, now let me guess if I type, Fidel Castro, I get a site about me right?
<Advisor3> put Fidel Castro in "", then it will only search for both words.
<Castro> A ha.
<Castro> What a very strange site, che-lives.com, I didn't know people knew about Che outside Cuba.
<Advisor4> Oh of course they do, he's a cult figure in many places.
<Castro> What's this, "Community."
<Advisor4> It looks like some kind of discussion board.
<Castro> A ha, maybe these people can give me feedback on how i've been leading.

*Castro begins typing*

<Castro (Typing in Q+A forum)> Hello, my name's Fidel, I live in Cuba and I sort of lead a big island. Now the thing is, People don't seem to like me, Can anyone tell me why.
<People on forum> Yeah, right, you're not Fidel Castro. Go away you pretender, Fidel's great, why do you abuse his name, Fidel sucks, why do you like him?
<Castro> No seriously, I am Fidel Castro, I wanna know why people don't like me, he're a webcam of me on my computer if you don't believe me.
<Moskitto> Dies, In a fit of hysterics after his heart starts beating at 670 bpm and explodes.

*Moskitto's parents go to police*

<Moskitto's Parents> We've found a website of a Cuban conspiricy, It's got Fidel Castro as a member.
<Police> OK, can we have the address?
<Moskitto's Parents> www.che-lives.com

*Police, Interpol and FBI all smash the website, all members are arrested except Castro, Moskitto's death achieves nothing, but his spirit lives on in a new form, a form called...?

THE SEQUEL COMING SOON, Moskitto's spirit is revealed but know one knows who is is, and only those who knew him can see him, Will he save the brave comrades on Che-Lives from the evil interpol?

[Capitalist]

Cuba = Brainwashed Society

Alantic Ocean = Cuban Berlin Wall

Fidel Castro = Pol Pot = Stalin = Hitler = Franco

No freedom of speech

No freedom of assembly

No freedom to bear arms

No freedom of Press

No freedom to business ownership

No freedom to Tourists Beaches and Hotels

What did Che Guevara fight for again?

[Moskitto]

No freedom to bear arms

That's in the UK, doesn't make it oppressive. Infact in Japan gun laws are so strict that they can't even hold shooting competitions.

[James]

If you carry a pen, you intend to use it.

If you carry a coat, you intend to wear it.

If you carry a gun, you intend to use it.



Now lets have a looksie at america shall we, coz freedom to carry arms is??? good/bad???
i think its "great" how little kids can carry guns, just incase they get called something. This way they can sort it the american way! BLOW HIS/HER FUCKING BRAINS OUT!!!

think i made my point?
gun restrictions keep people safe (from others, and from themselves)

[peaccenicked]

I see Capitalist is still shouting the same old dreary stuff that I have attempted to answer before.Moskitto that was funny. here is something you might find amusing
http://www.bandersnatch.com/b100.htm

[Moskitto]

A gun isn't neccesarily the best weapon anyway. If someone sneeks up on you and starts fighting hand to hand then a machete is far more useful than a rifle.

[Sasafrás]

Quote: from James on 4:59 pm on Feb. 7, 2002
i think its "great" how little kids can carry guns, just incase they get called something. This way they can sort it the american way! BLOW HIS/HER FUCKING BRAINS OUT!!!Dude, little kids aren't allowed to carry guns. I'm sure you know that. Some kids have access to firearms simply because their parents are irresponsible. I don't consider shooting people in the head to be "The American Way." That's The Idiot's Way, and yes, I know, Ameri****S (as you say) are all idiots anyway. Please don't stereotype. Many of the community members are from the United States and we are certainly in no way like our stupid American capitalist counterparts. There are gun restrictions here in the United States of America too. This country may not be perfect but it's not that savage that children are actually allowed to carry firearms.

[Xvall]

yeah.. Not too much in Texas though.. Everyone owns a gun in Texas. I even once saw a man in a store, with a big coat with a picture of two large magnums on it, along with the text: " Don't mess with Texas.. "

And no, all of us americans are not alike each other, in fact, most of us are very diffirent. Sure many of us 'act' like we're really banded together to 'fight out evil enemy', but in reality were are barely able to control bar brawls between each other and gunfights, let alone the actions of our alleged 'enemy'..

- Drake Dracoli

[pce]

http://www.washtimes.com/commentary/200201...29-87335053.htm (http://www.washtimes.com/commentary/20020129-87335053.htm)

there you go. another copy and paste from the prolific Imperial Power.

[MJM]

He didn't even give credit to the source, even after being questioned about. Oohh look IP's credibility just flew past my window.

[Reuben]

Capitalist. You referred to the atalntic ocean as the berlin wall. You probably don't know that in the 1980s an agreement was made between cuba and America which meant that 80,000 cubans could leave for the U.S. every year. However the U.S. would not let people in if they came oin boat/plane as they would not get visas. However if they came across on rafts they would be welcomed in and givenbenefits etc.

With regard to the right to bear arms, how many times in the last 50 years has America armed its civilians as cuba did at the Bay Of Pig and trusted them to fight in defence of their nation?


P.S. I like you more than imperial power

[pastradamus]

what a load of shight! do me a favour you fat bastard IP & go shit your load!!!!!!!!!

[poncho]

If a Cuban touches U.S soil they are not sent back unless they want to be.They are given a visa method of transport does not matter.

Contrary to what was posted Cubans have more firearms rights than Britain and Canada.If a cuban follows firearm laws than they have no problem. Break a U.S firearm law, what happens? Tourists with the right visa can bring firearms as well for sport. Also Cubans are allowed on hotel grounds if they are registered by a guest, the United States is the same way. Go to any resort in the USA and start tanning at the pool without being a guest, put-up a fuss and you'll be arrested for tresspassing. How about going to the local country club, see if you can get passed security without a membership. How come when Cuba does it the people are segregated and its evil? Or if a tourist rents a room in a house without permission of the government thats "bad"? Truth be told a tourist can stay in a private house with a "permit". See the government knows 9 times out of 10 the Cuban is "renting" a room for money, hence why they do so. You open a bed and breakfast in your city without a license and see what happens.

Hey Capitalist go to the mall and start screaming about taking up arms to overthrough the government and see how long it takes before your jailed in the USA. Political rallies are not only common by Cubans, the government considers it a right even if its *****ing about government policy. When you cross the line though your in trouble ie over through the regime and bring back Baptista.

Someone pointed out that Fidel drove the girls in his Mercedes. The Taxi I hire is owned by a Cuban, its a government licensed cab and its a Mercedes. correct me if wrong but isnt that a business? Again go to the airport with a car and pick up fares, without a license and see what happens to you? If a Cuban obtains a passport they can travel, most even come back.

Post more of what you think Cubans cannot do. Don't believe everything you read in the paper.

[Moskitto]

"Here's the scenario. The government gets tobacco proclaimed as a substance that is not only addictive but which kills its users. Then, the government fails to follow up on its own anti-tobacco claims by failing to ban tobacco. Next, an unwitting American starts smoking, totally ignoring the 'tobacco kills' warnings on cigarette packs. This is followed by addiction and then further by some debilitating lung disease. At this point, the un-witting American smoking victim sues the American government for allowing the vile product to be marketed while knowing that it can kill innocent Americans. Further, the innocent victim sues the government for failing to fully comprehend the warnings on cigarette packs, directly attributed to poor reading skills as the result of a general public education. What a plot, eh?!"

LOL, I could analyse this for a deeper political meaning but I won't. It's just too funny.

[Hillman]

Quote:

These women should have stayed right here in the United States and talked to some of the "happy people" who escaped Castro's regime.


The people who 'escape' from Cuba are not the right-wing freedom-loving Texan hicks that so many believe them to be. They are ruffianly thugs and crinimals that flee the island because of fear of being caught for their crimes.

If the USA was the size of Cuba, then of course the crinimals would all flee (espically to a country that welcomes them for neo-political purposes) because they can't hide on such a small land space.

[Moskitto]

The firearm laws in Britain are strict, but not as strict as Japan's. When I went paintballing, There was no one with their own guns and everyone had to leave them inside the. And these are air-guns. Farmers often have rifles though and you can use them for sport but they need to be registered and stored safely if you do use them for sport.

But in Japan, guns are totally illegal except for the military.

I think Americans seeing gun ban laws as oppressive is cultural. In America, freedom is freedom to own guns, in Germany it's freedom to drive at 150 on the autobhan. In Britain it's freedom not to have an ID card.

[GuerillaTactics]

IP= allergic reaction causing me to vomit on the keyboard everytime i see one of the fuck's posts

[Imperial Power]

You must go through a lot of keyboards.

Interesting fact on Texas:
There are enough guns in the state for every man, women, and child to have 4 guns.

Let see I obviously didn't write that article myself and I didn't realize your so anal about sources. That article is from capitalismmagazine.com I think.

[peaccenicked]

we just want to know where you get your shit from,
since we get undiluted from you. you seem to be caught
in a loop freedom of speech to defend capitalism to defend freedom of speech, too high taxes but freedom of speech,we are wealthy, dont need freedom of speech to criticise of here. I am comfortable and you poor people would be comfortable if you were capitalists too. I dont want to hear you criticise capitalism it makes me comfortable. What are you moaning about?
Taxes are too high but there is freedom of speech.
THIS IS WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE
YOU should here yourself think. IP. How can you live like that and enjoy your mind at work?

[Imperial Power]

You lost me peace

[Imperial Power]

By the way I am not rich.

[peaccenicked]

I thought that was why you said capitalism was worth defending

[Capitalist]

I can't believe how many idiots are on this board.

So many anti-gun commies.

What do you think Che Guevara and Fidel Castro used to revolt against Batista's dictatorship and carry out guerilla warfare???

It wasn't bananas.

I have no problem with gun control (permits, gun locks, ballistic recording to trace guns to owners, etc - we need some control). I don't own a gun - nor desire one - however I will defend the rights to bear arms.

Cars kill more people than guns - should we take away the right to drive too?

No instead we require people to pass driving tests, obtain licenses, and put license plates on the car - to maintain control of automobiles and trace violators.

The problem in Cuba is that the common man can not own a gun. Castro can't allow anyone but his military to control all arms on the island. Castro is not stupid, he does not want anyone to overthrow him, the same way that he overthrew Batista. Tourist can bring guns for hunting because they are not a threat - and Castro needs their tourists dollars to finance his dictatorship.

In Cuba, the government can bear arms to force the people to do Fidel Castro's will.

The right to bear arms prevents totalarian government control

[vox]

"The problem in Cuba is that the common man can not own a gun."

Are you saying that violence, that is, murder, is the best way to change things? I certainly hope not, for all violence does is create graves, and those graves will all be created in due time by time itself.

"The right to bear arms prevents totalarian government control"

Hee!

Do you seriously, for one second, believe that a group of armed yahoos could stave off even the most inept National Guard unit? HA HA HA HA!!!!

When they come with the tanks, make sure you shoot them with your carbine!

HEE!

To propose such a nonsensical thoght exposes you, c.

You're living in a fantasyland. You may as well call on the elves to save you!

HEE!

vox (Omigod, they're just too damn funny!)

[poncho]

Cubans can and do own guns. You can even buy DVD's from street vendors in Havana and sattalite cards and receivers for Direct TV! Do not kid yourself Cubans know more about the outside world than you do. So why have they not tried to overthrough Castro and his government? Simple they know that with Castro, Cubans call the shots, not a bunch of wallstreet bought senators from Washington!

You want to find out, go to Cuba visit a farm "Hi I'm Capitalist, I want to overthrough Castro and give your land back to United fruit so your child instead of learning to read and write, can learn to work in the fields and pick fruit for America". This was already tried we know the answer; Why did America not help out at the bay of pigs? Kennedy could have dropped more ammo instead of leaving his cia backed invaders to die on the beech. Cubans do not want to be slaves to United Fruit.

[Imperial Power]

Vox the right to bear arms is very important to mainting free society.

Hee!

Imperial Power ( O so Funny)

[Nateddi]

What kind of arms?

Any?

Pistols only?

[Imperial Power]

Hunting Rifles, Shot Guns, Pistols, and for those collectors with permits they can have automatic weapons.

[lordbynight]

The article that started this topic was posted in the New York post.
If you guys dident know it is probably the most racist and one sided paper in New York.
Could it be maybe just maybe that those people were happy with the way they were treated and had a change of attitude towards one of the worlds last great leaders cause hes a nice guy.
No that would be to hard for the the rapeing piliging imperialist scum to understand.