Total Victory

[Imperial Power]

It seems the socialists have raised the white flag. All thats left is a few mindless drones repeating propaganda. The real socialist thinkers here are gone or stopped posting in this forum. I continue to wait for a worthy thread to debate.

[Nateddi]

ok

[Xvall]

Riiight, of course..
I think what Imperial Hardhead is trying to say is,
"I can't sucessfully debate against you, I'm going to claim that you aren't smart enough to be freedom fighters so that I can make myself feel like what I'm saying actually has meaning to anyone.."

- Drake Dracoli

[El Brujo]

I have yet to see you make an intelligent non-self-warshipping comment buddy. Most people stopped arguing with you because they are tired of replying to ridiculous, unintelligent remarks with insightfull information and then you not responding or responding with some idiotic "God bless America" shit that fails to respond to us and is sometimes completely off-topic. On top of that, you actually think you are winning the debates and make vein remarks about it. LMAO. But of course you are, you are an Americn conservative, Americans are never wrong (cougph, couph, talk about the arrogance of yankee imperialism).

[CPK]

ditto.

[Supermodel]

Hey, IP, I forgot, did you say you were Cuban? I have a question for you. I've tried everywhere on the net I can think of, without success.

Is there a foundation/charity dedicated to Che's memory and to keeping his memorial in Santa Clara? One in Cuba perhaps or in Argentina?

Maybe you or someone in your circle will know. This is very important to me, I can see the image of Che being hijacked for some curious reasons.

[Moskitto]

No, you have raised the white flag, by posting posts such as these, you have truely brought yourself down to the very lowest levels and have shown that your intel... (woops capitalists hate intellectuals don't they) favourite website capitalism.org which you post so much from, has run out of things which can give you cause a good name. It is you who has lost not us.

I just love that passage on why intellectuals are evil and support "Statism."

-----
Intellectuals
Why is capitalism so despised, maligned, and misrepresented by the intellectuals in our universities?
The intellectuals despise Capitalism because it is completely in opposition to their basic, philosophical principles.

Capitalism is the system of individual rights; the intellectuals on all sides are for some form of collectivism. Capitalism is the system of individualism, self-interest and happiness; the intellectuals are for altruism, self-sacrifice, and misery. Capitalism is pro-reason; the intellectuals are steeped in mysticism and subjectivism. Capitalism is is a social system for living in reality; a reality which the intellectuals despise, or whose existence they deny.

No wonder the bulk of the intellectuals who infect today's universities are against Capitalism -- it represents the antithesis of everything they stand for. How could they not be?
-----

Well, it would explain why the US didn't exactly do much to stop Pol Pot, deny the genocide had happened for 20 years and fail to bring their leaders to trial. Pol Pot was good for capitalism, he got rid of the intellectuals.

[bleed3r]

IP i believe several threads here are still waiting your response on various addressed topics. even so, i'm sure i'm not the only one who gets quite bored with the superfluous amount of ignorance shown in your rebuttals. so now a suggestion. "dont dish out more than can chew." -- try to at least somewhat effectively argue your opinion before asking for more threads in which to show your incompetence. you're the flag-bearer.

[El Che]

"I continue to wait for a worthy thread to debate." lol thats rich.

[Capitalist]

Che Guevara's Image = Fidel Castro Propaganda

Che Guevara's True Self = Fanatic / Hateful / Supporter of Stalin and Mao (Killer and Invader of Tibet).

Reminds me of Richard the Great (The great noble king that makes his appearance at the end of the Robin Hood Story)

Today people think of Richard the Great as a noble english man/king

They fail to understand or refuse to see the whole and true history of the man.

They forget that Richard the Great also exterminated thousands of muslim women and children during the Crusades.

They only like to look at his good side - not the evil side.

Hitler was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize in 1936 for the Olympics. Today we realize Hitler for what he was - a man filled with Jewish Hatred.

Che Guevara should be remebered for his Hatred of Americans.

He did not care about people - he shot them (including a 15 year old boy - for stealing food from his army).

Che Guevara, like Pol Pot, enjoyed watching executions from his office window.

The facts and videos concerning Guevara's one-sided tribunals is my evidence.

Do not simply be satisfied with his handsome portraits on T-Shirts and banners. Look at the facts concerning Che Guevara. Read in depth about the man and his revolution (not just one-sided info - all the info).

The man took many innocent lives without a second of thought.

[James]

i think he had every right to hate the united states. I don't think you can possible see why unless you look at it from someone elses point of view. But alas. You have your ideas and will never change them.
the man took many lives without a thought ehy?

well wake up sun shine, how many people do you think you kill with your fucking bombs every day? You truely make me sick.

Che tried to stop this kind of thing from happening.

[Capitalist]

Yeah USA is sooooooooooo horrible.

Look at all the Afgahns rushing back across the Pakistan Border to live in free Afgahnistan.

Look at all the Afgahn women with unveiled faces.

Look at all the Afgahns thankful for American bombs taking out the Taliban.

Look at all the Cubans risking their lives on homemade rafts to cross the Alantic Ocean and escape to Florida.

Look at Ronald Reagan telling Gorbechev to "Tear Down This Wall"

Look at the USA conquering Sadamm Hussein's Invading Forces out of Kuwait during Desert Storm and then stoping short of killing Hussein - because "The mission has been accomplished"

Look at all those Kuwaities waving to American Soldiers and tearing down banners of Hussein.

Yeah I understand - We are soooooooooo horrible - spreading freedom and democracy, trying to end hunger and genocide in Africa, - forcing ourselves upon poor little dictators, mad men, and drug czars like Noriega, Fidel, Hussein, Bin Laden, Pablo the drug Czar in Columbia, etc - the list goes on and on. Shame on us for making life difficult for all these ruthless leaders.

Are you certain I'm the one sleeping - you sleeping brick in the wall!

Am - I blinded by hatred?

Why don't you explain to me why Che Guevara was so justified in his hatred for America - since I don't seem to understand hatred.

Perhaps you are a better expert at explaining and justifying hatred.

[Nateddi]

Yeah USA is sooooooooooo horrible.
Look at all the Afgahns thankful for American bombs taking out the Taliban. [/quote]

I am sure the ones who survived are thankful, however, speak for the 4,000 that died in our careless bulldozing through afghanistan, just so the overthrow of the taliban will be our little christmas present.



Look at all the Cubans risking their lives on homemade rafts to cross the Alantic Ocean and escape to Florida.


how many out of how many? the biggest emmigration from cuba was after the revolution when all the rich started to flee. And how many have been living in unfavourable conditions just for the fact that we cut off trade with theM?


Look at Ronald Reagan telling Gorbechev to "Tear Down This Wall"

Telling someone something isn't an act of power by that person. Look at reagans defence budgets and the national debt of his administration. You don't care ofcourse because you are a rich lemming, and the only thing that affects you is how much a cheerleader (reagan) makes you happy.

Look at the USA conquering Sadamm Hussein's Invading Forces out of Kuwait during Desert Storm and then stoping short of killing Hussein - because "The mission has been accomplished"

Look at the hundreds of thousands of people that we killed. And yes, if Hussein isnt part of the mission, dont kill him. Plan first.

Look at all those Kuwaities waving to American Soldiers and tearing down banners of Hussein.

Ill give you that one


Yeah I understand - We are soooooooooo horrible - spreading freedom and democracy, trying to end hunger and genocide in Africafor making life difficult for all these ruthless leaders.

Spreading freedom and democracy?
Is that why we dont listen to our allies? Is that why we treat people like shit just because they are not citizens? Is that why we go in and kill bad guys with no discretion for the innocent just to boost our ego? Is that why the drug companies care more about their capital than about africans. Is that why our media is owned by huge corporations and we have no freedom of speech because anti-american talk will make them lose ratings?

Capitalist, why don't you stop being a wanker and open your eyes.

(Edited by Nateddi at 2:08 am on Feb. 9, 2002)

[Xvall]

Capitalist,
Your government is the one who gave Noriega all that money to bring in drugs so you can flood the 'undesirable' neighborhoods with your crack and watch them slowly systematically kill themselves. Apparently you can't been to Panama for a while, because if you had you would notice what is known as the "Cocaine Towers". 'Free Panama' is now a police state where children get shot for stealing even the slightest thing. Maybe if you hadn't funded the guy he wouldn't have released Riot Squads to go around beating 'traitors' half to death.

- Drake Dracoli

[Capitalist]

Drug Companies out for money???

Come - ON !!!!

Glaxco (A TEXAS based Drug Company) just sent a free shipment of cancer treatment drugs worth 3 million dollars from Houston to Cuba for FREEEEEEEEEEEEEE back in December of 2001

enough medicine to treat every cancer patient in Cuba.

[Imperial Power]

Natteda name a country that is more succesful than the US that you don't consider a US pawn. You've had a good brainwashing but common sense should straighten you out.

WHy don't we listen to are allies?
This is very complicated and not a true statement but world policy makes countries take positions on issues jsut to maintain good relations with other countries. Some don't understand the need to take action.

Theres not a country in a world that treats non citiznes the same as its own citizens. But im not sure what your talking about.

Killing innocents is avoided aas much as possible and I have not heard of one case that of purposely killing them in Afghanistan.

Drug companies are a world problem not an exclusively American problem.

People have to much patriotism to see and see their country bad mouthed.


As the British say "stop being a wanker"

[peaccenicked]

"killing innocents is avoided"
you have nt heard reports.
what have you to say? comrade IP, do you really want the truth.
"Herold, a professor of economics and women's studies at the University of New Hampshire, told WorkingForChange that he was disturbed by the U.S. media's lack of interest in and its quick dismissal of reports of large number of civilian casualties. Herold also said "friends convinced me that since I have been putting together databases for more than thirty years, that I was the right person for the job,"


If the U.S. government refuses to count them, the mainstream media won't investigate or report on them, and if Americans aren't told or just don't care, does it mean that the thoU$Ands of civilian casualties caused by the bombing of Afghanistan haven't happened?


Herold's study, which systematically tracks civilian deaths in Afghanistan caused by U.S. bombing raids, is remarkable as an undertaking by one dedicated individual. That none of America's huge media organizations have bothered to take on this work is disgraceful."


(Edited by peaccenicked at 11:10 am on Feb. 9, 2002)


(Edited by peaccenicked at 1:57 pm on Feb. 9, 2002)

[bleed3r]

Killing innocents is avoided aas much as possible and I have not heard of one case that of purposely killing them in Afghanistan.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/dec2001/.../pows-d07.shtml (http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/dec2001/pows-d07.shtml)


(Edited by bleed3r at 8:36 am on Feb. 10, 2002)

[honest intellectual]

Che Guevara's True Self = Fanatic / Hateful / Supporter of Stalin and Mao (Killer and Invader of Tibet).
They only like to look at his good side - not the evil side.

Dubya's true image=slow-minded, warmongering, selfish, amoral


Reminds me of Richard the Great (The great noble king that makes his appearance at the end of the Robin Hood Story)

Not only was he in a movie, you stupid American, he was also a historical figure


Richard the Great also exterminated thousands of muslim women and children during the Crusades.

Hmmm, killed thousands of Muslims....can you think of a more modern example for my simplistic commie mind.


Che Guevara should be remebered for his Hatred of Americans.

Indeed he should


Che Guevara, like Pol Pot, enjoyed watching executions from his office window.

When Timothy McVeigh was being executed, hundreds of Americans wanted to watch. They were considering televising it, for fuck's sake.


Do not simply be satisfied with his handsome portraits on T-Shirts and banners. Look at the facts concerning Che Guevara. Read in depth about the man and his revolution (not just one-sided info - all the info).


95% of US presidential elections are won by the taller candidate. And you think we're too taken by image?


The man took many innocent lives without a second of thought.

Like thousands of US politicians (indirectly) and soldiers

[peaccenicked]

Sweet innocent Imperial power
how does your total victory grow
on an unexploded shell
In an afghan hell
and you will never know.

[Imperial Power]

Very poetic of you Peace. Afghan is a better country because of Us intervention.

[peaccenicked]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/stor...1509092,00.html (http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-1509092,00.html)
http://www.afgha.com/article.php?sid=12253...order=0&thold=0 (http://www.afgha.com/article.php?sid=12253&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0)
Dupes don't look at reality.how do you think the bare minimum is better.
and more democratic.

(Edited by peaccenicked at 9:23 pm on Feb. 10, 2002)


(Edited by peaccenicked at 9:26 pm on Feb. 10, 2002)

[Guest]

What do those articles prove, that Afghan warlords are bastards, that refugees don't want to go back to a land that's filled with bitter and painful memories.
A few months ago people were doubting the possibility of a US victory, well the US won. Today, once again with no basis for criticism, people doubt that the domestic situation of afghanistan will improve, i think the US will prove doubters wrong again.

[peaccenicked]

how much more reality do you need.
http://rawa.fancymarketing.net/recent2.htm
afghanstan will only improve as a US military outpost,
and a target to loot.