Islamofascism

[Gitfiddle Jim]

We all know that fascism in Russia is getting out of control, but what are your views on the threat of Islamofascism?

I see this as a far bigger threat to a free socialist society than organisations such as the BNP, as much as I despise them. In the UK Islamists are indoctrinating far more people than any Nazi groups are.

[UndergroundConnexion]

IslamoFacism is a term i do not even recognize as it is a right wing made up term which they cant even give a description of.

[spartan]

By "IslamoFascism" i am guessing that you actually mean "Islamism", "Islamic extremism" and "Islamic fundamentalism"?

Now Islamism is an anti-workers ideology which was coincedentally funded by the west as a way of preventing the rise of Socialist politics in the Arab world (Which would inevitabley lead to the nationalization of the middle eastern oil industries and the collapse of American dominance on the international Capitalist market).

However Islamists have now turned against their former backers because, since the collapse of the USSR and Socialism, the US has now decided that they will invade all "rouge states", most of whom the US themselves set up as a way of defending against Soviet Socialism and defending US intrests (Oil) in that region, with lots of much needed natural resources as they have no one to stop them now (From the Americans POV it is much easier to invade a US supported "rouge state", that gives them a bad image, and make it a puppet state that allows you unlimited access to all its resources, then to back it up with lots of military hardware and training, especially when you now dont have to due to their being no more threat to your allies, i.e. collapse of the USSR).

Thus the Islamists are now anti-Imperialist resistance groups against the US, Israel and western values in the middle east when they were originally against the rise of Socialism.

Of course there is alot more to it than what i have described, but Islamism shouldnt be supported just because they are resisting the US, because the fact is they are for the oppression of women, homosexuals and people of different religions then their own, which is hardly progressive.

I would also like to add that though i dont support the Islamists, i dont support their current enemies the US either.

The way i look at it is this: The enemies of my enemies are not my friends.

[Dr Mindbender]

We all know that fascism in Russia is getting out of control, but what are your views on the threat of Islamofascism?

I see this as a far bigger threat to a free socialist society than organisations such as the BNP, as much as I despise them. In the UK Islamists are indoctrinating far more people than any Nazi groups are.
national socialism and islamic extremism are IMO both sides of the same rotten coin.

Although, I would argue that islamic extremism is a reaction to western foreign policy, not a cause of it. Dont forget, the islamic terrorist was a sleeping entity until the occupation of palestine.

[Faux Real]

Yep, what Ulster S said. It's a reaction to the false promises by the Brits and French after WWI of a single unified Arab state if they revolted successfully against the Ottoman Empire. This turned into colonialism, and the first "Islamist" groups rised in response as a 'vanguard' of sorts for anti-colonial resistance, as well as in response to the installed puppet regimes. This trend is still alive due to neo-colonialism and economic imperialism.

No imperialism, no "Islamofascism" to worry about.

It also doesn't help ease tensions between the general populace and immigrant/convert Muslims in non-Muslim countries when they're highly discriminated against and constantly portrayed negatively by the local media.

[Holden Caulfield]

is it such a right wing term and it plays on ignorance,

islamofascism, unlike the most famous and brutal Western-Europeano-fascism, do we have to give them their own section coz we feel they aint quite as good at it as our governments have been in their time?

[Lenin II]

What is happening in the movement of "Islamism" is not fascism. As has been said, it is simply a reactionary theocratic movement that is a reaction to Western imperialism.
The term "Islamofascist" was actually invented by an American fascist, Michael Savage. Of course they are throwing this term around to serve their purposes.

The ultra-orthodox and fundamentalist policies of Islamist movements have nothing to do with the Hegellain concept of the fascist state, however. Therefore we should reject that bullshit term out of principle, as well as recognize the Islamist movements such as Hamas, however disgusting, as legitimate anti-imperialist forces.

[lutondave]

In my town they hand out real exstream stuff to kids,smash 'em up and even some muslims would thank us for it

[oz9u12]

Islam isn't a facist religion,but time of Kur-an is so hard for manage to people.So there is some rules for 5. century,but not for this time.I think Alevis(Turkish Shiites) are doing best.They are secular,they know benefits of science,they don't care about rules.They just try to living good and peacefull...

But half of Sunnis are doing wrong something.Ec.In Turkey, AKP don't care about problems(ecenomical and etnical),they just want freedom for headscarf :S ,but they don't want full indapented of Turkey.They are being made us a American puppet.

If you see something wrong about Islam,American Emperialsm is cause of that.In EVERYWHERE.

[Dr Mindbender]

on this subject though, to call even the most hardline islamic extremists fascists is grossly misleading, if by fascism you mean all it represents such as racism. While deeply homophobic, very few muslim hardliners will be 'anti-white'.
I once encountered a group of Al-Mahijouroun members in England (9/11 celebrators who support Al-Quaeda). Among them was a white Irish convert from Dublin.

[black magick hustla]

I dont think islamism is fascism, but fascism is not necessarily racist. Islamism is very reactionary though, and it does pose a threat to the liberation of humanity.

[Guerrilla22]

Islamofascism is a stupid term that was coined by conservatives in the US. It really does not make sense, in that Islam the religion itself is not compatible with the ideology of fascism. It's just another example of people attaching the term "fascist" to a certain group they don't like as is the rage these days.

[Dr Mindbender]

Islamofascism is a stupid term that was coined by conservatives in the US. It really does not make sense, in that Islam the religion itself is not compatible with the ideology of fascism. It's just another example of people attaching the term "fascist" to a certain group they don't like as is the rage these days.
I'll back that up. First time I heard the word 'islamofascist' it was George Bush that said it. Says it all really, eh?