Natives in a Communist Society

[Bear MacMillan]

If communism were to suceed in a country like Canada or the US, what would happen to the Natives?

[Red_or_Dead]

If communism were to suceed in a country like Canada or the US, what would happen to the Natives?

Same as to everyone else? Idk, Im not from there, but same laws and rules should apply for everyone.

[Lynx]

Hopefully they would receive a lot more respect.

[Comrade Rage]

I think that they would recieve a lot more respect. I suggest you research how the USSR treated it's pastoralist population (groups like the Chukchis, Evenks, Yakuts, etc) in Siberia. While some left these tribes willingly to work in power plants and other nearby public services these groups were left alone and given autonomy.

[Great Helmsman]

National self-determination and reparations would be a good start.

[The New Left]

Yes, giving them respect would be a start, but giving them money does nothing. What people did a few hundred years ago has nothing to do with us. Yes, they were in the wrong taking the land and devastating their culture, et cetera. However its been 200 hundred year, they should receive no other "extra" treatment than another others. Bring them up to working class conditions, and do not neglect them or any one else.

The problem with giving reparations is that everyone will want money for some kind of hardship. Women? Blacks? Asians? Islamic people? Yes we have/ are oppressing them, but we must educate the general public, not pay off individuals. Who next to ask for a hand out? Nazi's? :scared::lol:

[jake williams]

I think American blacks (ie. slave descendants) have a special argument for financial reparations, given they built the American economy.

[Black Dagger]

Financial reparations don't really make sense in a classless society though :p

[The New Left]

I think American blacks (ie. slave descendants) have a special argument for financial reparations, given they built the American economy.

So did Asians. They help build the railways, right? Women have been oppressed for hundreds of year, right? Black people, as much as they did build the society we have today as slaves, they should receive nothing but the respect as attention they have been lacking. This goes for all peoples. I don't care if they built your house, you would give them nothing except what they deserve, which is what I stated above. They did not have to go through the slave trade, so they shall get no money. I don't understand how money can solve problems that aren't financial.

Think about it.

[jake williams]

So did Asians. They help build the railways, right? Women have been oppressed for hundreds of year, right? Black people, as much as they did build the society we have today as slaves, they should receive nothing but the respect as attention they have been lacking. This goes for all peoples. I don't care if they built your house, you would give them nothing except what they deserve, which is what I stated above. They did not have to go through the slave trade, so they shall get no money. I don't understand how money can solve problems that aren't financial.

Think about it.
Well I'm probably thinking well within the current society, which while it's horrible is something we shouldn't totally ignore. If you have an economically (and racially) oppressed population upon which a world-leading economy has been built, financial reparations make some sense, partly for "justice" reasons which aren't entirely nonsensical, but partly to combat current conditions.

[The New Left]

Well I'm probably thinking well within the current society, which while it's horrible is something we shouldn't totally ignore. If you have an economically (and racially) oppressed population upon which a world-leading economy has been built, financial reparations make some sense, partly for "justice" reasons which aren't entirely nonsensical, but partly to combat current conditions.

To combat current situations, you must first deal with it politically and socially. Making somebody a charity case solves nothing, regardless what their past family members have been through. Deal with their current situation now by bringing up to par, money is a temporary solution to a temporary problem.

[RNK]

The most glaring answer would be self-determination. For much of the history of the US and canada Native communities have essentially been held in a forced and constant state of extremely low social and economic advancement; due to the widespread discrimination against Natives they are in the same boat (perhaps even worse) than African Americans. To "combat this" (imo, perpetuate it) the government of Canada for instance set up "reservations" where they promised every Native living there a small monthly allotment, with the condition that if they left the reseveration they would forfeit this. Due to the universal discrimination, most natives choose to stay on the reserve and collect this free money. However, this has the negative affect of essentually stunting economic growth of Native communities since they are confined to small, resource-barren territories where they do not have the ability to create industry or agriculture and in effect are nothing but communities of welfarees.

So the first and most important act should be to allow them the right to self-determination, to give them back their land (in some cases this would mean very large sections of Canada inparticular would become Native territory) and help them develop their own industries and become self-sufficient, such as we all should be.

We certainly can not force them to be with us; infact, to this day, most of the Native community is very passive towards the revolutionary community. Which is understandable; they simply do not trust whites, to a degree as prominant if not moreso than the BPP and other black movement tendencies which rejected collaboration with whites on understandably defensive grounds.

And that is, essentially, what Natives need; a Native BPP. There have been instances of this throughout the past 100 years -- of native communities organizing in defense against the imperialist states, which has often resulted in armed conflict -- however this resistence seems to only occur when they are directly threatened (for instance, when the state tries to steal land) and they seem unable or unwilling to rise up together for no direct and immediate reason. The Native community is also fractured (much like the leftists), with some, like Shawn Brant, calling for resistence (armed if necessary) against the imperialist states, while others call for peaceful co-existence and the maintenence of the status quo (the former has always been more successful if only because they play into the hands of the imperialists and therefore are given much more room to exist in the political mainstream, while less "co-operative" native movements are smashed utterly)

I would say, then, that there is nothing we can or should do other than to allow native communities their own self-determination and any support they may ask for. If we attempt to placate them like babysitters we'll get nowhere.

[More Fire for the People]

The most glaring answer would be: fuck we want freedom, equality, and a decent life! Rezs and Indian towns all suffer from the extremes of poverty: high birth mortality rites, short lifespans, cancer, lung and heart, disease drug abuse, alcoholism, patriarchy, child abuse, lack of education, lack of health care, poor housing, inability to pay bills, crimes, and ultimately spiritual death and nihilism.

The first objective in regards to revolutionaries and the Native question is to set up assemblies and congresses of assemblies composed of dispossessed Natives, mestizos, and other ethnicities living on rezs or in Indian towns. But absolutely no 'Indian' business-owners. For both class and communal reasons, the vast majority of Indian business owners are 1/8th or less Indian and have no connections to Indian life (whereas a Scots-Irish descendant in an Indian town might have total connection because of their class status).

The second objective should be to train a thousand doctors, a thousand teachers, and a thousand urban planners. Doctors must work to improve immunization and lower disease levels in Indian communities. But they must also work to train individuals in self-diagnosis. Teachers must work to improve levels of literacy and access to literature. But they must also combat the nihilism of poverty. Urban planners must redesign Indian communities into livable spaces with decent homes and places to work. But they must also train individuals to plan their own communities.

[The New Left]

The most glaring answer would be: fuck we want freedom, equality, and a decent life! Rezs and Indian towns all suffer from the extremes of poverty: high birth mortality rites, short lifespans, cancer, lung and heart, disease drug abuse, alcoholism, patriarchy, child abuse, lack of education, lack of health care, poor housing, inability to pay bills, crimes, and ultimately spiritual death and nihilism.

The first objective in regards to revolutionaries and the Native question is to set up assemblies and congresses of assemblies composed of dispossessed Natives, mestizos, and other ethnicities living on rezs or in Indian towns. But absolutely no 'Indian' business-owners. For both class and communal reasons, the vast majority of Indian business owners are 1/8th or less Indian and have no connections to Indian life (whereas a Scots-Irish descendant in an Indian town might have total connection because of their class status).

The second objective should be to train a thousand doctors, a thousand teachers, and a thousand urban planners. Doctors must work to improve immunization and lower disease levels in Indian communities. But they must also work to train individuals in self-diagnosis. Teachers must work to improve levels of literacy and access to literature. But they must also combat the nihilism of poverty. Urban planners must redesign Indian communities into livable spaces with decent homes and places to work. But they must also train individuals to plan their own communities.

Why would you still have native american reserves? Or do you just mean town composed of mainly natives?

Either way, you have to integrate in some way or another. Isolation, regardless of whether it seems positive, always turns out to be a negative. It's not like they have to get rid of their culture, but they cannot be left alone like that. They must some kind of co-existence with other people without giving them advantages that I cannot heavy myself.

Now, I'm not disagreeing with you on the part where you bring them up to standard in the medical and educational sense. But giving them large sections of land is the wrong way to go about it. It would turn them into bourgeois natives, and we are fighting against any bourgeois people/ principals.

[More Fire for the People]

When I say rez I just mean a reservation town/people, not the land. Reservations and Indian towns are the same thing, just reservations have legal recognition as such.