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Dominicana_1965
15th February 2008, 20:24
President Daniel Ortega, who led the 1979 revolution in Nicaragua, says Barack Obama's presidential bid is a "revolutionary" phenomenon in the United States.

"It's not to say that there is already a revolution under way in the U.S. ... but yes, they are laying the foundations for a revolutionary change," the Sandinista leader said Wednesday night as he accepted an honorary doctorate from an engineering university.


Ortega led a Soviet-backed government that battled U.S.-supported Contra rebels before he lost power in a 1990 election. He returned to office last year via the ballot box.


In statements broadcast on Sandinista Radio La Primerisima, Ortega said he has "faith in God and in the North American people, and above all in the youth, that the moment of great change in the U.S. will come and it will act differently, with justice and equality toward all nations."
Obama, a senator from Illinois, is locked in a tight race with Sen. Hillary Clinton for the Democratic nomination.


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Ortega also called Obama a spokesman for the millions of Central American and Mexican citizens who migrate to the U.S. in search of work, though polls indicate most Latino voters so far have favored Clinton over Obama.
Also Wednesday, Ortega gave approval to various army officials to receive training at the Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation, operated by the U.S. Defense Department in Fort Benning, Georgia — even as he said he would continue to lobby for the school's closure.
The president claims that members of the now-defunct National Guard who were trained at the school, formerly known as the School of the Americas, were involved in torture. Human rights groups say graduates went on to commit abuses throughout Latin America.


The U.S. military has acknowledged that some graduates committed crimes after attending the School of the Americas, but that no cause-and-effect relationship has ever been established.


Ortega did not explain why he approved the training, but said he would try to ensure officials did not turn into "torturers and killers."

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/02/14/america/LA-POL-Nicaragua-Ortega-Obama.php

RedDawn
15th February 2008, 20:29
Wow, what a load of shit.

RedAnarchist
15th February 2008, 20:38
That guy really has gone crazy, hasn't he?:scared:

TC
15th February 2008, 20:52
wow what a loser thank god the castros are still cool

Guerrilla22
15th February 2008, 22:42
Ortega definitely has mellowed. He isn't the first leader to have his administration terrorized by the US, only to come back years later, with a much more liberal mentality.

Zurdito
15th February 2008, 22:44
That guy really has gone crazy, hasn't he?:scared:

nah, I doubt he believes it.

Comrade Qwatt
15th February 2008, 23:14
This is what reformism does to the mind.

Herman
18th February 2008, 22:08
He's not one of my favorite leaders, no. He's quite reactionary regarding certain issues. This is simply another one of his absurd ideas.

SouthernBelle82
19th February 2008, 01:45
Obama revolutionary? I really don't think so. He's a populist. Doesn't mean revolutionary. He isn't any different than Hillary so is she a revolutionary too?

Dominicana_1965
19th February 2008, 20:03
Barack Obama, Democratic US presidential candidate


Today should mark the end of a dark era in Cuba's history. Fidel Castro's stepping down is an essential first step, but it is sadly insufficient in bringing freedom to Cuba.
The prompt release of all prisoners of conscience wrongly jailed for standing up for the basic freedoms too long denied to the Cuban people would mark an important break with the past.
It's time for these heroes to be released.
What a revolutionary.

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/FEAC5DB4-EFA5-4B27-95D9-BD9B90E5CF9B.htm

BanderaRoja
19th February 2008, 23:50
"Also Wednesday, Ortega gave approval to various army officials to receive training at the Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation, operated by the U.S. Defense Department in Fort Benning, Georgia — even as he said he would continue to lobby for the school's closure."

If Ortega is giving tacit support to the former School of the Americas then he is not just a "reformist", he is an enemy of the proletariat. The School of the Americas/WHISC is *the* training center for Latin American fascist troops/death-squads.

SouthernBelle82
20th February 2008, 00:57
Yeah Obama is so revolutionary he doesn't take the time to really educate himself. :rolleyes: Just because you have a degree from Harvard law doesn't mean you're the smartest person in the room. I think this statement from Obama proves it. When is he going to fight for the wrongfully held and tortured prisoner's at Guantanamo Bay?


Barack Obama, Democratic US presidential candidate

What a revolutionary.

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/FEAC5DB4-EFA5-4B27-95D9-BD9B90E5CF9B.htm

R_P_A_S
22nd February 2008, 08:57
Ortega definitely has mellowed. He isn't the first leader to have his administration terrorized by the US, only to come back years later, with a much more liberal mentality.

he's a christian now..

Faux Real
22nd February 2008, 09:20
Even worse, he's a Roman Catholic.

BobKKKindle$
22nd February 2008, 10:16
Nicaragua is one of the few countries in the world to ban abortion, even when a woman's life is at risk if the pregnancy is carried to term or a woman has become pregnant through rape - a real "revolutionary" would not endorse such draconian legislation and would do everything necessary to ensure that women are able to control their own bodies. This stands in contrast to the original Nicaraguan revolution, in which women played a major role and served alongside men in the fight against the "Contra" resistance. We should draw lessons from the revolution, but should nor regard Ortega as a leader for our movement - we need to forge an alternative leadership in Nicaragua if we want to challenge the authority of the church.

Herman
22nd February 2008, 14:36
We should draw lessons from the revolution, but should nor regard Ortega as a leader for our movement - we need to forge an alternative leadership in Nicaragua if we want to challenge the authority of the church.

I agree, Ortega's christian beliefs give a bad name for the FSLN. There are more radical and revolutionary elements in that party which should be supported.

Cheung Mo
23rd February 2008, 18:19
Ortega: Bourgeois crony-capitalist who supports theocracy and the suppression of woman.

Obama: Bourgeois crony-capitalist who is socially liberal and believes in the equality of the genders.

Neither is revolutionary; Obama is more radical.

The only reason Ortega and Chavez are even on the same side is that both believe to some extent that Latin America must be master of its own affairs. Aside from that, they are diametric opposites. They're strange bedfellows and not allies sharing a common core of values.

KurtFF8
23rd February 2008, 19:00
Well he isn't the only radical who is backing Obama, the chairman of the Communist Party of the US suggested that everyone vote Democrat:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpTRm3jQlFo

Sam Webb's argument is that a Democratic victory will make conditions better, I don't 100% disagree as even Welfare States are much better than pure capitalistic economies but they certainly don't go far enough.

SouthernBelle82
23rd February 2008, 20:43
Oh no you can't say that! Blasphamey! Sorry but I've been getting really beaten up here by some people because I dare to say the same things as Sam Webb and agree with him. :rolleyes: If this was after Bill Clinton in 2000 I wouldn't be but things have gotten so fucked up with George Bush and the ultra rightwing/neocons that you have to start somewhere.


Well he isn't the only radical who is backing Obama, the chairman of the Communist Party of the US suggested that everyone vote Democrat:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpTRm3jQlFo

Sam Webb's argument is that a Democratic victory will make conditions better, I don't 100% disagree as even Welfare States are much better than pure capitalistic economies but they certainly don't go far enough.

KurtFF8
23rd February 2008, 22:39
Well there's nothing wrong with that message, as a matter of fact I think that Sam Webb's message has some validity. I'm not sure that I agree with it 100% though.