Wanna meet an Original Black Panther / BLA member?

[blackstone]

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“STRUGGLE AND REBELLION”

Highlighting Our Long History Of Resistance to Oppression

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ZAYID MUHAMMAD (National Minister Of Culture: New Black Panther Party)

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[blackstone]

*WHO IS DHORUBA BIN WAHAD?*

Dhoruba Bin Wahad (formerly Richard Moore) born in the South Bronx in 1944,
joined the Black Panthers in 1968. He was arrested in 1969 as part of the
New York Panther 21 conspiracy case (charged with conspiring to blow up
department stores, subway stations, police stations). While freed on
$100,000 bail, and after receiving numerous death threats, Moore fled to
Algeria and returned to the U.S on May 14, 1971 following the full acquittal
of all Panther 21 defendants. On May 19, two police officers guarding
District Attorney Frank Hogan's home were shot on Riverside Drive following
a car chase. On May 21, two officers were shot and killed in a Harlem
housing project. In June, Moore, while in custody for an un-related armed
robbery, was accused and later indicted for the shootings. The first trial
ended in a hung jury. Following a second mistrial (due to the illness of a
juror), a jury voted to convict on April 28, 1973, and Moore was sentenced
to 25 years to life. While in prison, he changed his name to Dhoruba Bin
Wahad. In 1988, Bin Wahad appealed his conviction, drawing on uncovered FBI
COINTELPRO documents as well as other documents revealing prosecutorial
misconduct (in particular, evidence withheld by the prosecution from the
defense). After a series of appeals, his conviction was overturned in March,
1990. In October 1991, the state appealed. Between 1991 and the present, a
series of appeals have occurred and the courts continue to consider his
case, while Dhoruba Bin Wahad remains out of prison.

More:
Dhoruba Bin Wahad, who organized chapters of the Black Panther Party in New York and along the Estern Seaboard and worked with tenants in Harlem and on drug rehabilitation in the Bronx, was accused of murdering two officers while still in his teens and imprisoned for 19 years. He always maintained his innocence and won his freedom by forcing the FBI to release thousands of classified documents proving that he had been framed. The justice department eventually rescinded Bin Wahad’s conviction and he was released in 1990

http://www.semiotexte.com/authors/wahad.html

[RNK]

Doesn't the New Black Panther Party have some very disturbing rhetoric towards jews? Please elaborate.

[bootleg42]

Doesn't the New Black Panther Party have some very disturbing rhetoric towards jews? Please elaborate.

I haven't heard that but I have heard that they're religious and they include religion in their platform, unlike the original black panther party. I don't know, after that, to what extent their program is about. I'll have to check it out. If anyone has more info on them, please do post.

I've read that many former black panthers themselves don't like the new black panther party.

And about the event, I'd love to go but I got work. I'm in NYC and it sucks I can't go to an event that's a train ride away.

If anyone goes there, please post pics and a summary of the event.

[blackstone]

I haven't heard that but I have heard that they're religious and they include religion in their platform, unlike the original black panther party. I don't know, after that, to what extent their program is about. I'll have to check it out. If anyone has more info on them, please do post.

I've read that many former black panthers themselves don't like the new black panther party.

And about the event, I'd love to go but I got work. I'm in NYC and it sucks I can't go to an event that's a train ride away.

If anyone goes there, please post pics and a summary of the event.

I'm glad you mentioned this, because this is I believe, a falsehood. Obviously if the older black panther members(most original bpp members don't like to be called "former") then Dhoruba wouldn't be on the same program as the NBPP minister of culture. Right?

The fact it, the NBPP does contain members of the original BPP. But it's also fact as you said, alot of older BPP members don't agree with the NBPP. But it's to different degrees. You have the westcoast older members who outright do not like them and then you have other members, more so on eastcoast, who may not agree wit their platform or methods, but acknowledge their right to do their own thing.

I hope i made that clear.

But I'm not in the NBPP and not real familiar with their platform or history. If Zayid speaks on those things, i'll relay it back here. But otherwise, i hope some people can come through.

[The Douche]

The first point of the NBPP's 10 point program includes this:


We believe in the spiritual high moral code of our Ancestors. We believe in the truths of the Bible, Quran, and other sacred texts and writings.

This is not revolutionary. I am also uncomfortable with how they refer to jews as "jews", in quotation marks.

[blackstone]

I see alot of people are caught up in this whole NBPP thing, but this is not a NBPP event.

What is not revolutionary? The fact they believe there is truths in the Bible, Quran, and other sacred texts and writings? Do you believe there is absolutely no truths in any of those writings? It doesn't say they believe those texts are absolutely true but they find some truths in it. Just as you may find some truths in Bakunin, Marx, Engels, Lenin, or Mao even if you don't agree with everything they say or adopt they theories.

Yes, they do refer to jews as "jews". I believe because they do not feel that who we think of as jews now were the original jews. I'm not sure though again because i'm not familiar with all of their theories or whatnot.

[RNK]

FYI, the NBPP is listed as a "hate group" both here on Revleft (see the Opposition thread in the Anti-Fascism section) and by the "Poverty-Law Center".

Having looked at their site I am not sure I am correct, however, it appears their website has softened its tone on Jews since I last looked at it (which was well over a year ago).

Originally their website contained very inflamatory remarks towards Jews which are wholly reminiscent of the accusations of "international jewry", "zionist world order" and "jew-owned media" and other racist conspiracy theories about jews owning everything.

The wiki page on the NBPP clarifies this (and while I usually wouldn't point to wiki for clarification, it does match up with what I remember coming out of the NBPP's own rhetoric).

Another interesting point is that many original members of the BPP have denounced the NBPP (although clearly others support it).

[rebelworker]

The NBPP did defentily have some serriously anti semetic poltics in the past.

It looks like this is changing. Good.

I personally find the work of other former Panthers like Lorenzo Komboa Ervin (author of Anarchism and the Black Revolution) and Ashanti Allston more interesting (Ive seen both of them speak and encourage others to organize events with them, especially on their personal histories and experience with the panthers), but its good to see other panthers are still involved in the movement in some ways. Its sad to see such an important organiastion dissapear almst entierly due to state repression, so any legacy, even if flawed, is probably a good thing.

[Sankofa]

Doesn't the New Black Panther Party have some very disturbing rhetoric towards jews? Please elaborate.

The NBPP doesn't have what I would consider "disturbing" rhetoric towards Jews...they simply have strong opinions about Zionism. Every time someone is critical of Israel's actions against Palestine, they get slapped with the "anti-jew" label.

It's interesting, I often hear from people complaining that Blacks using the "race card" far too much. Fuck, some one should take away Israel's "holocaust card" because it's being used to justify their own Holocaust against the Arabs.



Yes, they do refer to jews as "jews". I believe because they do not feel that who we think of as jews now were the original jews. I'm not sure though again because i'm not familiar with all of their theories or whatnot.

The reason the NBPP and other Black Nationalist groups such as the NOI, refer to the Zionists as "Jews" is because the original Hebrews of the Bible were Black Africans. I'm no history expert, but White Europeans, i.e. Irsaelies, where converted to Judaism. This is pretty obvious being that there are millions of Black Jews in Africa. You'll never hear Israel talk about them...because for some reason, they've given themselves the title of "True Jews" and want to pretend that all Jews have white skin and straight hair.


The NBPP did defentily have some serriously anti semetic poltics in the past.



Ah, here we go. I've been meaning to touch on the whole "anti-semitism" deal for awhile. "Semitic" people are not Europeans. Semitic actually refers to a group of Middle Eastern Languages, spanning across varying ethnic groups. That would make both Africans and Arabs "semites", meaning that the only "anti-semites" in that part of the world are the Israelies (whites from europe).

[lutondave]

groups aimed towards orne ethnic group are dodgy

[rebelworker]

Ah, here we go. I've been meaning to touch on the whole "anti-semitism" deal for awhile. "Semitic" people are not Europeans. Semitic actually refers to a group of Middle Eastern Languages, spanning across varying ethnic groups. That would make both Africans and Arabs "semites", meaning that the only "anti-semites" in that part of the world are the Israelies (whites from europe).

Ok I spent years in the Palastinian rights movemnt and know this, though Ive never heard a palestinian activist deny the fact that many if not most Israeli jews have semetic linneage, but as far as popular useage of the word I think its clear what i was trying to get across.

The language I was talking about did not refer to a healthy critique of Zionism, but was much closer to the kind of jewish big money conspiracy talk that emminates mostly from the libertarian right (which for the record I was somewhat influenced by as a youth).

If that has changed in the last 5-6 years (about how long ago I was last looking into the NBPP) thats great, but the fact is it was there at some point, and im not the one to go looking for that kind of stuff in groups fighting for liberation.

Anyway, good luck with the event.

[RNK]

The NBPP doesn't have what I would consider "disturbing" rhetoric towards Jews...they simply have strong opinions about Zionism. Every time someone is critical of Israel's actions against Palestine, they get slapped with the "anti-jew" label.

Hi, I'm as much against Israel as the next guy. We're not talking about Israel. We're talking about the NBPP's liberal usage of blaming jews for everything. Jews own the media, jews on the banks, the US government is controlled by the jews, so on and so forth.

Anyway, please try not to derail the topic. I don't give a shit about the origins of the term "anti-semitic" or whether or not Jews are semites. The term "anti-semitic" has become synonymous with prejudice towards jews in modern linguistics and that's all that concerns me.

[Sankofa]

Hi, I'm as much against Israel as the next guy. We're not talking about Israel. We're talking about the NBPP's liberal usage of blaming jews for everything. Jews own the media, jews on the banks, the US government is controlled by the jews, so on and so forth.

Anyway, please try not to derail the topic. I don't give a shit about the origins of the term "anti-semitic" or whether or not Jews are semites. The term "anti-semitic" has become synonymous with prejudice towards jews in modern linguistics and that's all that concerns me.

Didn't mean to imply you were pro-Israel or that I was derailing the topic...you asked about the NBPP's comments towards the "Jews" and I was just elaborating on that. I doubt three sentences on so called anti-semitism really hurt anything.

It's obvious how the term is used today, but I think it's important to point out that fact that the overwhelming number of Jews in Israel are white, and therefore not a semitic people, especially the way that term's thrown around to scare people into silence about Israel's actions. I dunno, seemed on topic to me.

[RNK]

Well, we're talking about the NBPP's stance towards jews and the rhetoric they've used in the past, not the definition of a semite. But, no harm no foul. :)

Anyway I think the issue is one that needs to be wrangled. As I pointed out the NBPP is currently listed as a racist tendency here on Revleft and I'd love for that to be revised.