CHE Vs BIN laden (IS BIN LADEN THE NEW CHE?)

[pastradamus]

WOTS ALL THIS CHE-BIN LADEN COMPARISON SHIT I'VE BEEN READING ABOUT!
those Islamic freedom fighters(terroists) have put foward this comparison,im NOT attacking Islam but osama is NO che guevara! Answer me this if che stood up to the U.S and stuck his tongue out at them would he hide in a fucking cave! Hell no! oh wait he already pissed all over democracy and died for his belief's while usama is hiding in a god dam hut!

[Supermodel]

Oh GAG me!!!

You are right pastra, what a ridiculous comparison!!!

Bin Laden is a multi millionaire with four or who knows how many wives hiding his sorry ass in some fancy saudi hospital and pretending to actually lead anything.

Truth be told, there are probably some beneath him with Che-like qualities, but bin Laden is a COWARD and a WOMAN HATER and worst of all the biggest HIPPOCRYTE ON THE PLANET!!!!!!

Good Muslim my ASS!!! I work with lots of muslims and they are the nicest, most homorable people I know!!!

The most appropriate punishment for bin Laden....a sex-change operation.....

[pastradamus]

should Bin laden get a sex change?
Why not!
Bin laden should definetly do something!
or bush will get his hairy hipocrate ass!

[Hayduke]

Man shut up about that im hiding in a cave cause im scared.....I mean che actually went to Bolivia to fight again not afraid for america....

[pastradamus]

Ha,ha good one! Check if theres a guy with a diaper on his head there with ya!

[Reuben]

Interesting you should suggest this. It was suggested a couple of months ago in the secularist magazine the free thinker that they shoukd turn bin laden into a woman and send him to live under the taleban

[Anonymous]

Pa, I have to have a talk with you tommorow
, I'm gonna beat you like Bin beat Bush. Seriously though, I love Che and his ideas, he also hated The US with a passion but never done anything militarily about it, probably he was smarter not to do anything. Anyway you can't compare the two and it also depends on how you look at the two. Bin Laden is a hero to some Muslims but is not a hero to some who che is a hero to, so all i am saying is it depends on who you are and how you look at it.

[hardcore capitalist]

Osama killed people
Che killed people

thus......

Che=Osama

its simple mathematics

[pastradamus]

what? you capitalist fagath! O.K lets put that a different way,communists use the toilet,democrats use the toilet therfore according to you communism=democracy!

[Anonymous]

TOILETS???
You made shit of that capitalist pa

[pastradamus]

yeah toilets,the inventor of the toilet was a swedish man named henrik crapper,it's true it's true!

[the end of history]

ok, capitalist, by your logic,

Che killed people

Osama killed people

Osama=Che

Osama killed people

George Washington killed people

Osama=Washington

and dont try to squirm out of this, cuz your in way too deep!

[Xvall]

Well, in that case!

Omsoma killed people..
George Washington Killed people..
Thomas Jefferson killed people...
Patrick Henry was a slave holder, as well as the other two.

So I guess those are equivilants to Osoma Bin Laden too? In that case your entire presisdential line is full of 'Terrorists'.

- Drake Dracoli

[hardcore capitalist]

You misunderstood me, Che was a vicious killer of people just like Osama is, I mean c'mon, he worked with Castro for chistsakes!

[rebel with a cause]

Do you know anything about Che at all?

If you do I'll gladly listen, please tell me all that bullshit that you learned in school.

[Cobber]

Osama Bin Laden is no Che Guevara.

Bin Laden is on a Holy crusade - islam v. christianity and seeks to divide the world.
Che lead a political crusade - communism v. imperialism sought to unite the world.

[vox]

HC wrote the following:

Osama killed people
Che killed people

thus......

Che=Osama

Of course, we don't know that Osama did anything, but even that, even a simple fact like that, comrades, is beside the point.

Fact is, HC is using an essentialist argument. One did something, another did the same thing, they must be the same!

Of course, it's a ridiculous argument, though I very much doubt HC has the courage to reply to this thread, for his kind rely on forgetfulness. I don't forget.

Hey, HC, let's make it even simpler for you:

Sgt. York killed.
Some Nazi killed.

Sgt. York=Nazi.

It's simpleton mathematics.

vox

[I Will Deny You]

Quote: from hardcore capitalist on 5:56 am on Feb. 2, 2002
You misunderstood me, Che was a vicious killer of people just like Osama is, I mean c'mon, he worked with Castro for chistsakes!
Che was not a killer of people, he was a killer of soldiers. The fact that many of my Americans do not grasp the difference between soldiers and civilians has been evident since the last days of World War II. Hardly any heroes on either side have never killed anyone (except for the philosophers). We have to look at why.

And of course, soldiers have killed plenty of civilians in Afghanistan. Does this mean that Bush, Cheney and Powell, who commissioned the killing of these thousands of innocent people, can be compared to bin Laden, who commissioned the killing of thousands of innocent people? Hmm.

[Moskitto]

or...

Stalin=Communist (argue from the other viewpoint)
Leopold II=Capitalist

Stalin=Sent people to labour camps and killed lots of people.
Leopold II=Sent people to labour camps and killed proportionally more than Stalin.

Leopold >Evil> Stalin

Therefore

Capitalism >Evil> Stalin

[pastradamus]

Look HC,you made an ass outa yourself with that statement,look at the point made by "i will deny you" that sums it up for your ass.

"I once knew a man who said,death smiles at us all,all we can do is smile back" -marcus aurelis ceasar-

[Derar]

u ppl talk like usama bin laden is the devil and he is hitler and just like a person who killed millions of innocent ppl .........
what did he do ?? tell me why do u hate him ?? coz he killed innocent ppl in the 9-11 , an incident that u arent really sure who did it !! what else ??
if he did that , probably he should be punished

i said all this becoz im not defending usama bin laden , but coz im just defending a human .... any human who might be in his position ...... this guy is just a US scapegoat !

he did few things i didn't like ....... but he is no coward ...... fought against the soviet invasion , and faced the most powerful army in the world !! actually he faced the whole world !! and he is hiding becoz not to be killed !! DUH !!
he wont be just running infront of us soldiers and be like come on kill me im usama bin laden !!

i know my comments will get lots of criticism from many ppl here , if not all !! but i said what i think of , and i dont care !

[rebel with a cause]

I dont think he's the devil, I certainly wouldn't want him as my friend and if I'd ever saw him I would give him a vasectomy with a 12 gauge shotgun, he's done malicious deeds, but I'm pretty skeptical about the 9-11 incident myself.

[pastradamus]

No,IM not saying he was a coward im saying he had'nt che's sense of revoulition & did the job himself and didn't get others to do it for them.
Bin laden never fought in a war! He supplied the afghans with equiptment for war,like trench-digging equiptment.

[James]

osma hates/hated woman n westerners coz a western woman mocked his "manhood" So in fact really all this is is a personal vendetta, where has Che acctually had beliefs, he didn't use religon to get his message to people. And in response to what the hardcore capitilist said ("che killed people, osma killed people thus Che=Osma"), no doubt u support the bombings on afghan, well dick head have you any idea how many inocent people (just like u) get killed every day by the ameri****'s bombings? so in fact you supporting the bombings makes you just as bad as the guys doing it, so u=osma. good luck, ur now a terroist.

[pastradamus]

I like the cut of your jib comrade,Ameri**** was nicely done!

[James]

i don't see how anyone could compare some one who has so much passion and courage with some one who is such a coward. Anyway it doesn't really matter now, coz osma is probably dead, n his rebellion is over. unlike Che's which is still in the heart of every decent person.

[Xvall]

Osoma isn't dead.. He's a CIA asset. They're just useing him. If they want an excuse to attack another country all they have to do is say that 'Osama is hiding in there'. He's the American Goldstien.. And the majority of the American population is stupid. They believe anything that the media tell them. If the president claimed that China did the attacks I can guarentee you that most people would have believed him, regardless of what evidence is shown.

[Nateddi]

Yeah, thats a good point. From what we knew, before the binladen tape, there was hardly any evidence linking him to sept. 11.

[JK]

(rebel with a cause Posted on 7:46 am on Feb. 2, 2002:
If you do I'll gladly listen, please tell me all that bullshit that you learned in school)

this is changing the subject but here they dont teach about Che we briefly go thru the Cuban Revolution but not in any of this is che metntioned though he himself was the cuban revolution, its weird i guess they dont want to plant his ideas in our head, i just thought that was weird

[Derar]

I didnt compare che to bin laden , and never will ......

but all i said is that no one gave me real reason to hate bin laden !! everyon here hates him for the same reason the blind americans u were talking about do ! so u r not different ...... u hate him becoz they planted these ideas in ur mind ...... lots of ppl dont believe that he did the 9-11 attacks ......... so why do u hate him ?
some ppl say that he hates women , did he ever say that ? i dont think so , and u say that , becoz he was with the taliban !! not enough !!

anyone plzz give me some reasons why do u hate bin laden ? other than the ones im expecting !

[James]

Osma had kidney problems. He bought 2 machines for afghanistan which keeps u alive if u have this problem. one was for his own soul use. Now stop me if i'm wrong, but, it must be hard carrying one of these machines (very big things!!!) round those mountains, n sneeking em through etc. etc. So if he isn't dead hes some fucking god. Its also believed he is dead because no more of his videos have come out, n in the videos that he sent out, u can see him getting worse n worse for ware. I think that he is dead now. America doesn't need him as a reason for doing anything. They can simply accuse any country they want of being full of terroists and supporting taliban people who have fled to their country. America now polices the globe and has backing to do so (espically from my fucking country, the UK). I think they won't talk much bout Osma anymore.

(osma gets the blaim coz of that video they "found" with him in. in the video osma talks bout how they planned it blah blah blah.)

[Capitalist]

Che = Bin
Guevara = Laden

Che Guevara would have loved the Sept. 11 attacks on America.

Two attacks on American Capitalism (The World Trade Towers)

One attack on American Imperialism (The Pentagon)

Che Guevara would be very happy with the results. Unlike Fidel Castro, Che Guevara would voice his approval. Fidel Castro knows better than the likes of Che to voice his true feelings. There is no doubt that Fidel Castro is happy with the attacks on USA. Fidel is just smart to keep quiet because he knows the USA can kick his ass easily out of Cuba like it did Grenada back in 1983.

Ther is NO doubt that Che Guevara, a man motivated purely on his American Hatred alone, would approve of Bin Laden and his attack on America.

[Xvall]

Che would most certainly not have been happy. For the same reason we are not happy. The majority of people killed in these attacks were the working class, and we cannot start a revolution if the working class is being murdered. Che has stated in his books that he strongly dissaproves of terrorism. And if America can "Kick Cuba's Ass", why did you fail at the Bay of Pigs invasion, and why have all sixty of your assasination attempts failed? Pathetic...

- Drake Dracoli

[pastradamus]

The survivor's of the bay of pig's were an insult to the US politicans. There were dead Cubans in the WTC incident so how cud he have liked that?
AND comrads dont even think of saying that Osama bin laden is stupid,the man might be the most hated person in the world but he is most definitly NOT stupid cuz he is costing the US govt $45 Billion a year in defence increases.

[Moskitto]

Capitalist, you might as well piss off the forum, since we've allready explained this to you several times you have shown that you are incappable to understanding anything except what you want. Get of this forum if you wanna post the same things again and again, you waste board space.

[Fires of History]

First of all: Hardcore Capitalist, you are an idiot!

Che and Bin Laden have nothing to do with each other. Aside from the OBVIOUS ideological differences, their methods and means are completely different.

Also, Che relied on the people, Bin Laden relies on oppressing his people with some ****ed up religion.

Che=Bin Laden NO! PAH! Bull****!!!

Power to the People,
Trance

[reagan lives]

"Che has stated in his books that he strongly dissaproves of terrorism."
As we've discovered on this board in the past, Che wrote that terrorism was not useful because the killing of civilians could hurt popular support of the cause. Che didn't say that terrorism was wrong, he said it was bad P.R. If he thought for a moment that acts of terrorism would advance his goals, he would have no problems with committing them.

"AND comrads dont even think of saying that Osama bin laden is stupid,the man might be the most hated person in the world but he is most definitly NOT stupid cuz he is costing the US govt $45 Billion a year in defence increases."
I suppose you think that costing the US government $45 billion a year in defense spending increases hurts the United States economy. What an ignorant point of view. Defense spending in America (just like in most nations in the history of mankind) is nearly entirely domestic. The government takes money out of the economy in the form of taxes, and then puts it right back in by employing Americans in the military and by contracting American companies to build things. You seem to think that they're building stealth bombers out of hundred dollar bills. The vast majority of money that the US government spends on defense goes right back into the domestic economy. Government takes money out, puts it back in, and a helicopter is made. If this is bin Laden's plan for crippling America, he must be seeing something that the rest of us are not.

As for Moskitto...has anybody bothered to count the number of posts like yours, that tell someone to "piss off" instead of saying anything substantial? How many posts have said this exact same thing? Get of this forum if you wanna post the same things again and again, you waste board space.

[Fires of History]

Capitalist YOU ARE AN IDIOT TOO!

Che was not fueled solely hate for the US, he was fueled by his quest for justice and equality!!! among other things!!!

Power to the People,
Trance

[Capitalist]

The people killed during the Sept. 11 attacks were

1. - American Capitalists and Foreign Investors

2. - American Army Personnel.

The same people that Che Guevara hated and aimed to have killed.

Che Guevara was a man of hatred. - Not Love

Man of Revenge - Not Reform.

[peaccenicked]

http://www.webactive.com/webactive/pacific...w/dn980123.html (http://www.webactive.com/webactive/pacifica/demnow/dn980123.html)

[PunkRawker677]

okay. back to a couple remarks back. If US is so eager to kick cuba's ass, and if Cuba is so scared as you say. Why havent we done it yet?

and read Che's book on Guerilla Warfare. Not only does he state it is bad for popular support he also says it does not do anything for the revolution. Does this make him a horrible evil person? no. He doesnt believe in it cause it has no point. He saw no reason to kill civilians. He was trying to HELP THE PEOPLE, why would he want to KILL THEM. and he wasn't trying to just help HIS people, he wanted to help everyone.

hmmm... your obviously either really really stupid or just ignorant. either way, I dont like you.

[Capitalist]

I have no idea why the USA allows Fidel Castro to exist?

Perhaps Americans really don't care. They are more preoccupied watching Football instead of caring about politics. Most Americans are complete idiots when it comes to politics. Punkrawker677 is a prime example of ignorant Americans. Bill Clinton is another prime example of how stupid Americans are - blame it on ineffective public schools and the American/Communistic run education systems.

The USA kicked Fidel's back in 1983 when he invaded Grenada.

Perhaps Americans need another Cuban Missile Crisis or threat of World War 3 to wake them up again. Sept. 11 has everyone looking to the Middle East - we need to keep an open eye everywhere.

I find Fidel Castro to be a threat to this world and more importantly the Cuban people. He has divided the Cuban people in half. I only wish other Americans would notice too.

Che Guevara was so filled with hatred he didn't care who died. Perhaps you need to read a little further.

"I can't be the friend of anyone who doesn't share my ideas" - Che Guevara

In che's will, he praised the "extremely useful hatred that turns men into effective, violent, merciless, and cold killing machines.

He was dogmatic, cold, and intolerant - much like a ruthless, authorian, machine.

Perhaps you need to go live in Cuba if you find it such a great place to live. Why don't you make yourself a homemade raft and cross shark infested waters to go live in Cuba (no it is quite the other way around).

[James]

"I have no idea why the USA allows Fidel Castro to exist"

actually america has made so many attempts on Castro's life, they CIA backed off after the assasination of JFK. The CIA are the guys who take care of all this type of stuff (assassinations etc.), and the guy at the top doesn't know everything (well known fact in the CIA). For example at the time of Kennedy's assassin, a member of the CIA (Fitzgerald) had given one of his agents a poisoned pen, which was to be used to kill Castro with. The CIA had been warned by Castro that any more attempts on his life would result in nasty Consequences. After Kennedy was shot the CIA panicked as agents tried to cover them selfs. Basicaly the CIA were never sure if they had been the reason as to why Kennedy was shot. They didn't know if them messing with castro had caused the shotting. They were frightened of what they may have done.

so i don't think the usa allows Castro to live

[PunkRawker677]

USA kicked cuba's ass? really? too bad they are still there.. still communist, still defying the world super power. forty years of sanctions and still kickin. If anyone is ignorant it is you.

I have been to Cuba, more than once. Now that i am over 18, next time i go, i WONT be coming back.

(Edited by PunkRawker677 at 5:54 pm on Feb. 11, 2002)

[HardcoreCommie]

(Edited by HardcoreCommie at 6:22 pm on Feb. 11, 2002)

[Moskitto]

The USA kicked Fidel's back in 1983 when he invaded Grenada.

Fidel Castro didn't invade Granada. Fidel Castro was an ally of Maurice Bishop (The Granadan president) who just happened to have some popular support on Granada.

[Anonymous]

[quote]Quote: from Capitalist on 6:34 am on Feb. 9, 2002
I have no idea why the USA allows Fidel Castro to exist?

Perhaps Americans really don't care.

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Of course you amercans dont really care, iven if you did you couldn't do anything about it, you dont run your country, its the gov, you have no say in what happens no americans do.

[Moskitto]

Oh yes, and here are websites about Grenada.

http://www.spiceislander.com/profile%20of%...ce%20bishop.htm (http://www.spiceislander.com/profile%20of%20maurice%20bishop.htm)

http://www.virginnet.com/travel/guides/c_a...dgovernment.htm (http://www.virginnet.com/travel/guides/c_america/grenada/historyandgovernment.htm)

http://www.geocities.com/redencyclopedia/b...bios/bishop.htm (http://www.geocities.com/redencyclopedia/bios/bishop.htm)

http://www.travelfacts.com/tfacts/htm/gre/grehist.htm

[Supermodel]

Come on, the US is an inch away from lifting the embargo. Fidel is not a threat. Cuba is not a threat. Kennedy-wannabe's are all that keep this issue alive.

I laughed so hard when I saw Fidel pledge support to the US after 9/11. Way to go Fidel!! Here you are, in our hour of need!!!

Make no mistake, Guantanamo bay is being used with Fidel's assistance so that we can cozy up to him. I look forward to going to Cuba one day soon.

And by the way floating on a raft in the Caribbean sounds pretty darn nice to me, with all due respect to the Marielitos on board the Board.

[Moskitto]

As for Moskitto...has anybody bothered to count the number of posts like yours, that tell someone to "piss off" instead of saying anything substantial? How many posts have said this exact same thing? Get of this forum if you wanna post the same things again and again, you waste board space.

I have made very few posts telling people to piss off the only time I have done this previously was aimed at Fantomas.

what Capitalist has done however is start annother identical topic after his previous one was awnsered. Also he has posted in a previous topic about whether Che would have supported the WTC attacks and had all his post awnser with quotes from Che's works, the exact same things he has posted in this topic. I don't think people really appreciate reposting what they said in a previous topic. To reply to capitalists same posts. Although next time he does it, I admit, I should just add a link to the previous topic or just bump up the previous topic.

[MindCrime]

Just a point I'd like to put my words on....

The United States doesnt allow Castro to exist, they cant get rid of him! Theyve launched sever cover infiltration mission, one full scale invasion, and tried to assassinate him at least 14 times (thats the CIA count) including one failed plot to put LSD in his cigars!

America cant get rid of Castro becasue the people support him. With a full armed and dedicated milita behind him, he's almost totally invulnerable to imperialistic machinations. Cuba doenst want to go back to their dictatorship, they like their communism better.

He's also the only ruler in South and Latin America that the US doenst endorse. Hes the one dictator they didnt prop up, and the one they cant get rid of! Viva Fidel!

[Derar]

actually the cia tried to assasinate castro 27 times ...... and failed , they tried almost everything ....... from putting poison in his cigars to his pens .......
they also tried putting some kind of chemicals on his shoes so his beard will fall off ....... and thus he will loose ppl's respect !! but ofcourse they also failed .....

[Anonymous]

The best was sending an ex girlfriend to meet up with him and while they were talking about past times he just asked out of the blue, ''did you come here to kill me?'' , she replied yes and castro said ' nobody can kill me'!

[RedRevolutionary87]

ahahaha thats grate, no1 can kill him, fidel is a legend

[Project Mayhem]

If you ask me, The New Che will not arrive until a critical point in the world history of communism is reached where we need a mass uprising as in Mao and Lenin's doctrines. However, "It is not necessary to wait until all coditions for making revolution exsist; the insurrection can create them". So therein lies our connundrum: When will we even need the conditions? Only time will tell...

[pastradamus]

" Is Assassination is the last resort of your ruthless,cowardly nation" -spokesperson for fidel castro ,on the cia's assassnation attempt's.