Tuition fees favour the rich - new study

[spartan]

http://education.guardian.co.uk/higher/news/story/0,,2256262,00.html

Children from poor families say fear of debt deterred them from University.

Thoughts?

Yet again this is another situation where the rich are being given better opportunities to succeed then everyone else, just because they have more money and can thus afford to.

The way i see it is that education shouldnt be bought, it is every humans basic right to have some sort of an education to help give them qualifications for a chance at getting a good job in the future.

But now only rich kids will be benefitting from this because they are the only ones who can fucking afford to.

Here is the fucking reality of Capitalism as education, knowledge and qualifications is something that you now have to buy to have a chance at earning the potential benefits of it all.

[Zurdito]

Maybe next week they will have a study showing how night follows day.

I knew the Guardian was an out of touch joke, but if this is "news" to them they are worse than I thought. Where were they when the fight over this was happening? They were too busy lavishing praise on Tony Blair's government.

[jake williams]

Maybe next week they will have a study showing how night follows day.
This was my first thought too, once I realized that the thread title didn't literally mean that there's a sign at a university "Rich kids get in half price". Being, you know, poor, like "There's $40 for groceries this week" every week poor, university tuition scares the hell out of me - and as has been pointed out before, that means there's going to be a whole lot of pressure to sell out, you know, go into corporate law or whatever, rather than enter influential academia to help the world. So yeah, pisses me off. But it's obscenely obvious.

[Winter]

Typical. Reminds me of that episode of South Park where Kyle's dad tries to explain to him why there are poor people. "We need somebody to pump the gas".

[careyprice31]

http://education.guardian.co.uk/higher/news/story/0,,2256262,00.html

Children from poor families say fear of debt deterred them from University.

Thoughts?

Yet again this is another situation where the rich are being given better opportunities to succeed then everyone else, just because they have more money and can thus afford to.

The way i see it is that education shouldnt be bought, it is every humans basic right to have some sort of an education to help give them qualifications for a chance at getting a good job in the future.

But now only rich kids will be benefitting from this because they are the only ones who can fucking afford to.

Here is the fucking reality of Capitalism as education, knowledge and qualifications is something that you now have to buy to have a chance at earning the potential benefits of it all.

we all know this. Im a university student, and we have been fighting years for lower.......none is better though. xD

if it werent for my father I wouldnt even be in university. He paid my tuition cause I had no job. When i graduate i would have had to look for a job. I dont have one and wouldnt have one, therefore i wouldnt have been able to pay back the loans I had. I would have quit.

Its such a shame seriously.

[Zurdito]

This was my first thought too, once I realized that the thread title didn't literally mean that there's a sign at a university "Rich kids get in half price". Being, you know, poor, like "There's $40 for groceries this week" every week poor, university tuition scares the hell out of me - and as has been pointed out before, that means there's going to be a whole lot of pressure to sell out, you know, go into corporate law or whatever, rather than enter influential academia to help the world. So yeah, pisses me off. But it's obscenely obvious.

I swear it's true, The Guardian today had a two page spread explaining the shock news that "inflation hits the poor harder than the rich".:ohmy:

They didn't quite get round to working out that infation is created by the rich to make themselves richer at the expense of the poor, though. Never mind, there's still next week's edition.

[FriedFrog]

I sure as hell can't afford to go to University, but why should debt put me off?

The only way I can afford to go is to get a loan, which I will pay back. Sure, I'd rather not have the debt, and I'd love to get my education for free like it used to be, but it's just something I've got to deal with.

Going to university almost always guarantees a better salary than not going (not that I care, but it's relevant to the argument), so in the long run it's beneficial and I'll be able to pay off my debt. I'll come out of uni as a qualified primary school teacher which will allow me to pursue the job I want.

I hate to sound like an asshole, but it's just a case of having the stones to get on with it, for my own benefit.

Education=liberation!

[SouthernBelle82]

I don't think you needed a study for that. Just do an observation opinion poll thing. We talked briefly about that today in a sociology class I'm taking now about debts and whatnot and we talked also briefly about this yesterday in criminology about how in colleges it's all about making money and if you fail just one class and you're on tuition you won't get to come back next term. It's ridiculous! Even a community college is very expensive. My last bill for this semester was $2000 something and that's without books and other fee's. Imagine if you're on your own without any help to pay for anything. At the local university I was looking at their prices with stuff to see if I want to go there for graduate school and it's just so pricy! You have to pay for everything including a parking ticket and you have to park in a certain area. My professor also said even if you withdraw later and you think you aren't going to pass the class it still counts as an F and goes against you and you HAVE to take a certain number of hours. So if I was to ever need tuition help I'd have to take more than what I am now which is three courses. I've tried taking a full hour course to get health insurance one term and I couldn't really handle it very well. Especially when you take classes where you have a lot of papers to write and whatnot. It's too frustrating and I always want to do as well as I can on my grades for my GPA.

[SouthernBelle82]

It goes back to your own individual line of thinking. A lot of times people who are in poverty or even very close to poverty have it so set in their brains that they'll never get out they don't even try because of the bills and whatnot. If you're a middle class person you at least have the mind set there's always education and you can get some sort of job and save up money etc. I just wish we seriously were discussing this election cycle about this. It seems to be about health care and jobs, which are important, but what about those going to college to get a better job because their previous job went over seas or was outsourced to computers or some other form of technology? That's why I really liked the idea that Senator Kerry put forth in 2003/2004 when he was running for president. His idea was when you're in high school if you do so many hours of community service you'd get so many terms of community college. So the idea is you give to the community your time, money, resources etc. and the community gives back to you. Than if you later want to go back for graduate school or what have you for a higher degree you can at least have some sort of job to pay for that yourself later when you have the money.


I sure as hell can't afford to go to University, but why should debt put me off?

The only way I can afford to go is to get a loan, which I will pay back. Sure, I'd rather not have the debt, and I'd love to get my education for free like it used to be, but it's just something I've got to deal with.

Going to university almost always guarantees a better salary than not going (not that I care, but it's relevant to the argument), so in the long run it's beneficial and I'll be able to pay off my debt. I'll come out of uni as a qualified primary school teacher which will allow me to pursue the job I want.

I hate to sound like an asshole, but it's just a case of having the stones to get on with it, for my own benefit.

Education=liberation!

[Jack Ruby]

Tuition fees are merely a new strand of a tried, tested and dated capitalist con. The government are encouraging more and more people to go to university by their own admission, why? They are making it easier and easier to qualify for a university place, why?
They say the usual spiel about having more qualified people in powerful positions, bla bla bla. Well are there more of these positions being created in modern society? Are we suffering from a crippling shortage in these areas.
The answer is of course no.
They merely want to have more and more qualified people going for the same positions that have always existed and with the demand so high, drive the wages down lower and create bigger profit.
Ok so that's not really revelationary I know but what's gonna happen when these people hit the working world and the lower wages mean they can't afford to buy houses as young professionals would be expected to do? Look forward to the crash as it's coming.

I resent a government full of people who received their university education for free dictating such terms to this generation.