stalinism and communism

[peaccenicked]

com·mu·nism [kómmy nìzzm ] noun
classless political system: the political theory or system in which all property and wealth is owned in a classless society by all the members of a community


[Mid-19th century. From French communisme , from commun "common," from Latin communis (see common ).]

Stalinism

Sta·lin·ism [stl nìzzm ] noun
principles and policies of Stalin: the political principles and economic policies developed by Joseph Stalin from Marxist-Leninist thought, which included centralized autocratic rule and total suppression of dissent

Sta·lin·ist noun adjective


The only problem here is that saying Stalin derived his
theory from Marx and Lenin is like saying that the Spanish inquisition derived its principles from the bible.

:angry:

[vox]

We should all bookmark this post for easy reference when dealing with the filthy, inhuman capitalist sympathizers that ooze through this board like slime.

vox

[pastradamus]

STALIN was a master of dictatorship,and I think anybody who should think otherwise is an idiot.Stalin was given a broken country in russia,unemployment was all around,people were starving and the treat of another world war was very realistic.stalin transformed the country into something positiveand should be hailed for doing so! he turned russia into an economic powerhouse,the amount of coal,steel,arms,gold,copper,agricultural produce and other resorces quadroupled and russia was second only to the US in economy.as for the millions of people he killed,they were enemy's of communism and were a treat to the Government,so dont ever emply that stalin was not right doing so.i agree with your point and would like to say that this is to be delivered at capalists idiots and right wing radicals,but stalin had to reform communism in order to ensure the smooth running of the state,so changing from marxism and lenninism was a good idea because russia was then made into a model state(eg.cuba).

[Guest]

The Stalin system had nothing to do with communism.

It cannot be defended by somebody who calls himself a communist. pastradamus must be a Stalinist.

I find it terrible that Stalin murdered over 40 million innocent Russians in the name of communism simply to become a world power. Even for those who agree that mass-murder is necassery for progress must realise that the life was wasted us the USSR ceased to exist and Russia is no longer a significant world power.

It frightens me to hear such words being spoken in this day and age.

If you agree with Stalins total supresion of dissent for his cause, then you presumably agree with the principal of Hitlers final solution - it was necassery for his cause. And all the other murders, wars and genocides that have happened - they all were done for a cause, however twisted it was.

[Moskitto]

I don't think it was 40 million. 40 million out of 165 million is quite a big ratio. 20 million is more likely but we'll never know.

Eitherway it was wrong and nothing to do with communism.

[peaccenicked]

Trotskyist: Adherents to the anti-Stalinist line. Leon Trotsky was banished from Russia in 1929, and assassinated on Stalin's orders in 1940. Trotskyists, sometime called "Trots," stood for Worker's Democracy, as opposed to Russian bureaucratic control.
If that is the true definition then I am a Trotskyist

[peaccenicked]

Quote: from peaccenicked on 10:01 pm on Jan. 27, 2002
com·mu·nism [kómmy nìzzm ] noun
classless political system: the political theory or system in which all property and wealth is owned in a classless society by all the members of a community


[Mid-19th century. From French communisme , from commun "common," from Latin communis (see common ).]

Stalinism

Sta·lin·ism [stl nìzzm ] noun
principles and policies of Stalin: the political principles and economic policies developed by Joseph Stalin from Marxist-Leninist thought, which included centralized autocratic rule and total suppression of dissent

Sta·lin·ist noun adjective


The only problem here is that saying Stalin derived his
theory from Marx and Lenin is like saying that the Spanish inquisition derived its principles from the bible.

:angry:
capis avoid reality in every post.

[Thine Stalin]

Communist societies cannot succeed without stalinist rule, Mao's china succeeded with Stalinist regieme, Look how Soviet Union collapses after the new generations after Stalin's death grow old enough and have pansy leaders like gorbechev ruining the soviet dream simply to be nice...

[Rosa]

Com states can't succeed wout stalinist rule?
No. Look at the India, Egypt, Yugoslavia... all destroyed, but bcs of greedy people bribed to support the cap-system.
those systems were not destroyed bcs they didn't have "stalinist rule"., but bcs of the actions made by outsiders. So, if the capitalism destroyed: no stalinist rule needed for communist societies to survive.

[peaccenicked]

http://www.barnsdle.demon.co.uk/russ/rogov1.html
http://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/works/1930-hrr
Thats just a little bit of the marxist coverage of Stalinism

[Nateddi]

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