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peaccenicked
25th January 2002, 18:43
Marx's model of capitalism was precisely that a model
.Not a blueprint set in stone. Not any bourgeois economists have contested his model explicitily but have
taken bits and pieces for their own purposes. Marx also very much represents a continuation in previous thought. Marx believed that the middle class would become proleterianised. When you hear university lecturers discussing strike action. This validifies his theory.
The present day middle class can be considered as extension of abstract labour. Labour that is not directly
productive. The clown at a circus is producing entertainment for money but the ticket collector is recieving money unproductively.
The exception is the small commodity producers ie small business men who are on the side lines of society. The number of firms that go into bankruptcy goes into millions per year world wide. They usually exist to undercut unionised labour or bring cowboys into the market place where real labour standards cost more money.
The layer of workers in the education, health and social
services or sometimes layers of management some times regard themselves of being middle class but they
in reality perform the abstract labour necessary for capitalism to produce commodities.

Imperial Power
25th January 2002, 21:35
"The layer of workers in the education, health and social
services or sometimes layers of management some times regard themselves of being middle class but they
in reality perform the abstract labour necessary for capitalism to produce commodities."


How do you define middle class? by the amount of money they make or their job.

peaccenicked
25th January 2002, 21:44
A class is defined in terms of its social relationship
to other classses. Those who percieve themselves as middle class are actually working class, the only percieve themselves differently because of higher income and better living standards than most.
They are still are slaves to market needs ultimately.

Imperial Power
25th January 2002, 22:00
The goal of the middle class is to work and improve their quality of life. Capitalism motivates this by providing reward for hard work. People stay competitive and their quality of life gets better. Peace I was interested to hear you were a teacher. You no doubt are spreading leftest propaganda in schools.

peaccenicked
25th January 2002, 22:13
The goal of the middle class is fair but I can not define it as middle class who does not want to improve their conditions. Marxists, describe these limited aspiration as petty bourgeois. Many middle class people have joined the ranks of the revolution. We want the world. Those who do hard work deserve everything.
As to competition I am all for it but I do not like dog eat dog competition, just the fair and friendly type.
I taught young trade unionists after work hours. I
mainly do social care or media work for the mentally ill
and I am currently doing a video on stigma.