Fidel Castro?

[Capitalist]

I think Fidel Castro is actually an Evil Dictator that uses the mask of communism to keep absolute control over Cuba.

I also think that Fidel Castro sent Che GueVara on a death mission. Castro is very similar to Franco. A Spanish dictator in disguise. Franco used the fascist Antonio as his Martyr and Fidel uses the communist Che GueVara as his Martyr.

Fidel Castro is really a genious evil Capitalist in my opinion.

What do you commies think?

[MJM]

So why does the US hate him?
Free education and health care perhaps?
It's just not on is it all that kind of stuff.

I think if Che said he is a great man I believe him.




(Edited by MJM at 8:30 pm on Dec. 12, 2001)

[Viva Zapata]

he's right on one thing though, Fidel is a genius.
Che's son himself said that Fidel and Che remained the best of friends 'till the end. talking 'bout dictators, I know quite some the U.S. supported, wanna talk 'bout them ?

[jimr]

Its clear that Castro is a genious. When looking at all he (with Che's help) accomplished its kind of hard to not give the guy any credit. I do not believe for one minute that Castro is a capitalist. Seeing as a lot of the people in Cuba did not even know that the revolution in Cuba as Communist, had Castro really wanted absolute control, no strings attached he would have just become a capitalist friendly Dictator.

His descesion to openly admit is ideology to the US ended all possibilities of this. Castro's intentions were good, however thanks mainly to America;s crusade against Communism, Cubas revolutionary life is sadly nearing its end.

It is a shame that we search for leaders that ave teh ability to lead us to a better way of life, and when they come along they are impeded by those of us too short sighted to see the need for change

[Capitalist]

Many people say that Hitler was a genious too.

[CommieBastard]

He was a genius.

We have to ask ourselves, who do we value more? the moral idiot or the evil genius? well, i say i value both as much, because in the end there is the same result. All life is worth the same; nothing. That's exactly what we amount to in the end, a heap of dust and shit being eaten by the worms.

[libereco]

hitler was very much not a genious....

his ideoligie was nothing new, his military tactics were frowned upon by the generals. The only thing he deserves "credit" for (in a sick way) is that he actually acted out all of his plans.
Also i don't think a genious would have written a book (no matter of what ideologie) in such horrible language as he did in Mein Kampf......i get convulsions reading it even without thinking about the content.

[CommieBastard]

sorry? how do you define a genius?
there is no doubt in my mind that hitler was, if not a genius, then highly intelligent. But intelligence does not determine morality. You can get dumb people who are highly moral, and intelligent people who are depraved and sick. So wtf kind of superiority trip are you trying to pull?

[libereco]

no superiority trip really.....i just don't think that he was a genious.

He was a powerful leader, I'll give you that. But he was not a very smart man. Not an idiot either, but i fail to see his genious. :o

[jimr]

Hitler was an opertunist. He had great oral skills, so much so that prominant leaders today look over his speechs and study the technique. He read the political sitiuation in Europe exactly right. He knew that teh Brittish and French would do nothing when he reoccupied teh Rhineland, he knew they would do nothing when they annexed Austria, and he got so cocky that he thought they would do nothing when he invaded Poland.

Hitler was a shrewd politician but mainly just a man who knew how to exploit things. A genious to some, evil to others.

[CommieBastard]

he manipulated his way into control of a nation, and had a genius for crowd manipulation. His mastery of politics is possibly unrivalled.

[libereco]

well,
i agree about the politics. Especially his speaches were powerful (to the people at the time).

But manipulating his way into control...yes he did, but it wasn't as hard as it would be nowadays. The Weimar Republik was weak, the people not used to and not fond of democracy. But he wasn't genious enough to get to power in a legal way....

[Kez]

I agree with Liberco,
the WR was really weak at the time, people were scared of hyperinflation setting in again after the great depression, and people wanted some1 powerful as a dictator.
with the tools of propaganda backing him, up Hitler used his great oral skills to convince the German nation of fascism, the people wanted to believe in him.

comrade kamo

[jimr]

"But he wasn't genious enough to get to power in a legal way.... "

He did get into power legally. After he persuaded (bah cant remember) to make him chancellor he pushed through article 48 in teh Weimar republic constition. Which meant that teh chancellor could become a dictator in times of emergancy.

It is to be noted that this was only made possible after the Reichstag fire incident in which teh reichstag (german parliment) was burned down. Hitler managed to convince the populus that it was teh communists, (its most likely that the SA did it.) and he got support to ban teh Communists, and teh Socialists from their seats. Without these 2 parties Hitler had no trouble pusing through article 48 and so he obtained power completly legally.

[jimr]

The most important factor that allowed Hitler to get into power in my opinion was the stock market crash in 1929. The weimar ad begun to make great leaps in germany and teh economy was on teh up and up. However when the collapse came Germany was perhaps the worst hit in the world. america had been loaning alot of money to Germany and now they called the loans back in and Germany fell into doldrums.

It was in 1929 that Nazi votes went from 600000 to 6 million.

[Capitalist]

Let's get back to the subject.

In other words......

Fidel Castro is much the same as Adolf Hitler.

Che GueVara is kind of like Rohm - Hitler's SA Chief. Once the need for their rebelious fighter is gone - send him away to his death and get rid of him once and for all.

[Capitalist]

Look at what you people are writing about Hitler.

You can apply the exact same examples to Fidel Castro.

There is almost no difference, except that the United States keeps a close eye on Castro and makes certain his oppression, excuse me - I mean revolution, doesn't spread to other Latin American Countries.

If Castro had his way - He would be dictator of all of Latin, South, and Central America - maybe even Africa as well.

[jimr]

You cannot draw parellels between Castro and Hitler. Castro has not created death camps in which he has sent millions to their deaths.

The reason hitler is so badly hated is because of these atrocities. Without these atrocities and the persecution of jews etc he was not THAT bad.
Therefor if Castro is like Hitler without the atrocities he is not like hitler at all. Because Hitler without the atrocities is Not the evil Hitler we all know.

[Capitalist]

Castro has been stoped from becoming a Hitler by the Great United States of America.

Average Jail time in Cuba ranges somewhere between 20 to 30 years for speaking against Castro and his revolution. Sort of a severe punishmnet for Freedom of Speech.

[jimr]

The only thing america has done to stop anything in Cuba is to stop it from becoming a successful communist state. America are still caught up in their anti soviet policy. Fearing that if it turned out well in Cuba it could spread to America easily.

[libereco]

Quote: from jimr on 7:49 pm on Dec. 12, 2001
"But he wasn't genious enough to get to power in a legal way.... "

He did get into power legally. After he persuaded (bah cant remember) to make him chancellor he pushed through article 48 in teh Weimar republic constition. Which meant that teh chancellor could become a dictator in times of emergancy.

It is to be noted that this was only made possible after the Reichstag fire incident in which teh reichstag (german parliment) was burned down. Hitler managed to convince the populus that it was teh communists, (its most likely that the SA did it.) and he got support to ban teh Communists, and teh Socialists from their seats. Without these 2 parties Hitler had no trouble pusing through article 48 and so he obtained power completly legally.



it was Hindenburg he persuaded...
using article 48 wasn't exactly legal either, because it was, if I remember right designed for when a single state tries to become independant or something.
Also Hitler did not win the election by popular vote.
And keeping up the dictatorship afterwards and all that stuff wasn't exactly legal either.
If i'm not sure the Socialists were still allowed to vote about art. 48 and they all voted against hitler. The Communists were mostly already taken care off or had fled. But of course the SA was present to demonstrate to the Socialists what will happen to them if they don't vote the right way.

[jimr]

Ive been doing this in History recently, article 48 was entirly legal. Most of the socials were also banned, the few that remained still opposed article 48 being instated but they didnt make muc diference. However it was entirely legal. I went and asked my teacher just in case. It was one of Hitlers prime objectives, after failing to take control in his Beer Hall Putsche he realised the only way to obtain power was through legal means. The means he used (SA etc) were obviously not legal but he was never brought up on these accusations (most likely cause the SA would take care of them)

[Derar]

Being evil doesnt mean he wasnt a genius .......
he was a genius !!

but what made him loose was his megalomania .....

[socialistEUROPEAN]

You can see Hitler in two ways. An evil fascist who killed 6 million Jews or the man who rebuilt Germany (which was quickly destroyed though). They are both bad! A revolutionary authortarian government was inevitable from the minute the Treaty of Versailles was signed. Only if the Commies got in instead of the Fascists. What really screwed the Commies up is when Hitler (cleverly)blamed the Reichtag fire on Marcus van Lubbe, a young communist. It would have been pretty hard for one little guy to set up multiple fires without them being put out in a large building. Hitler was clever, this does not mean he was right. He used the democratic system to get to power, if this is what democracy produces, should it be trusted?

We asked for Hitler after putting Germany through the decades of hell. One must remember the First World War was as much our fault as their's.

[Avamatha]

About Hitler,

Well, he _did_ raise Germany from economic depression and did lots of thing that Germany got on it's feet.

Now, do NOT get me wrong! I'm not a freaking fascist! I hate Hitler. (Oh, by the way, check out this pic: http://freeweb.weblinea.it/mscabbia/rage.gif
It's great. ;) )
But he was a smart man, though a total ass.

Hitler, rest in pieces!!!

[jimr]

Van lubbe only had slight links to the communist party, also he was fairly stupid and he wasnt all there in the head, he was convinced by the nazis to confess his envolvement and blame teh communists.

[revolutionary spirit]

i don't know if anyone has said this cause i haven't looked through,but how could he either be a great communist or a evil capitalist??Adolf Hitler was an evil capitalist and so u can see if u can compare the two,and lenin was a great communist and u could try and compare him to lenin.But i don't see how if he wasn't a great communist he'd be an evil capitalist.He was more of a liberal bourgeois if anything maybe.

[CommieBastard]

Hitler did not win the election by popular vote, that is accurate, it was by means of a coalition government that he got in. Small point, in most countries (inclusive of the WR) coalition govt.s are perfectly legal.

Yes, the WR was weak, but that's exactly why it needed real genius for Hitler to do what he did. He had to manipulate the vying factions in order to combat his enemies, and shuffle himself into popularity, and once in, had to strengthen the power of the country to keep hold of power.

As for Hitler getting in instead of commies, though the reichstag fire was quite important, i think the consistent war on communism before he was in power, and the use of military force granted legal by the WR against the commies to wipe em out might have been a smaaall factor...


As for parallels between hitler and castro...
did castro get in using 'legal' means?
nope...
has castro vastly enhanced the Cuban military and carried out a policy of expansionism?
nope...
(because, you see, supporting revolutions in other countries in which they win the right to self-determination and freedom from US corporate power is NOT the same as instating yourself as the head of a super-nation which incorporates other nations.)
Has he proclaimed or acted upon beleifs of racial grading?
ummm, one sec, this is a hard one errrr oh, wait he hasnt has he?

[peaccenicked]

Here is the updated archive for fidel
http://www.marxists.org/history/cuba/archi...astro/index.htm (http://www.marxists.org/history/cuba/archive/castro/index.htm)

[Dreadnaht1]

Capp: "I think Fidel Castro is actually an Evil Dictator that uses the mask of communism to keep absolute control over Cuba.

I also think that Fidel Castro sent Che GueVara on a death mission. Castro is very similar to Franco. A Spanish dictator in disguise. Franco used the fascist Antonio as his Martyr and Fidel uses the communist Che GueVara as his Martyr.

Fidel Castro is really a genious evil Capitalist in my opinion.

What do you commies think?"

I think you're full of shit.

[peaccenicked]

A. You newspapermen are crazy for definitions and neat schemes... You're impossibly dogmatic. We are not dogmatic... At any rate, you wish to write that this is a socialist revolution, right? And write it, then... Yes, not only did we destroy a tyrannical system. We also destroyed the philoimperialistic bourgeois state apparatus, the bureaucracy, the police, and a mercenary army. We abolished privileges, annihilated the great landowners, threw out foreign monopolies for good, nationalized almost every industry, and collectivized the land. We are fighting now to liquidate once and for all the exploitation of man over man, and to build a completely new society, with a new class contents. The Americans (Cubans say just that, los americanos, to mean the United States) the Americansand the priests say that this is communism. We know very well that it is not. At any rates, the word does not frighten us. They can say whatever they wish. There is a song, which is popular among our peasants, that goes more or less like this: "Bird of ill omen — of treason and cowardice — that are throwing at my joy — the word: communism! — I know nothing about these 'isms' — Yet, if such a great welfare conquest — which can be been by my own eyes — is communism, then — you can even call me a communist
fidel

[Capitalist]

"I think you're full of shit." - Dreadnaght1

Only facts will prove your points.

Insults can not prove your point.

[peaccenicked]

Insult us without facts
then get something back, as good as you give
then sit back and talk about facts.
Good plan.
It is a pity it is so transparent.

[aek]

Fidel Castro is the greatest. Cuba requires him to be their leader and has required him to be their leader for so long in order to prevent the Americans from once again taking over their island nation and claiming it as their own colony. Castro is the foudner of socialism in the Americas and will continue to lead his people onward to victory.

[Xvall]

Anyone capable of convinving millions of people to elect him as a dictator, and practically conquer an entire continent, is a genious in my eyes. Funny thing though... Hitler origionally wanted to be an artist.

- Drake Dracoli

[Moskitto]

Hitler was actually quite good as an artist. He painted some paintings of WW1 like this one that you can see the full horrors of it, unlike the British paintings which showed it as this glorious event.

[aek]

Castro is one of history's great revolutionaries. He is spot on on his treatment of counter revolutionaries, delinquents and homosexuals. Even with a bestial economic blockade Cuba still maintains to have a positive growth in their economy and never back down to U.S. belligerence.

[revolutionary]

read about the man capitalist, even the capitalist book say he worked for the ppl.

[Capitalist]

Fidel Castro is dictator for several reasons.

The same reason Stalin was such a sucessful dictator.

FEAR and IGNORANCE = DICTATORSHIP

1. - Brainwashes the Cuban Youth in his controlled schools (but that is O.K. - everyone can read).

2. - Only Governemnt officials have the right to bear arms.

3. - Government controlled Media (No Freedom of Press)

4. - Only one Political Party (Communist Party) allowed.

5. - CDRs on every street corner (serve as Gestapo like police squads)

6. - No right to assembly without government approval.

7. - Harsh prison sentences for counter-revolutionary activity (easily 20 years or more in small confined cells for simply peaceful protesting against Castro or his regime).

Fidel Castro is smart. He has fooled many people.

He has fooled many people like you to believe that he and Che Guevara are revolutionary.

Are you revolutionary?

Or are you just another oppressor?

[PunkRawker677]

1. - Brainwashes the Cuban Youth in his controlled schools (but that is O.K. - everyone can read).

thats bullshit.. when i was 11, my 10 year old cousin new more about democracy than i did.. they teach, not like in the U$ (this happened in cuba, obviously)

2. - Only Governemnt officials have the right to bear arms.

I dont think allowing civilians to bear arms has made this country any safer... i'd feel much better if people WERENT walking around with guns!

3. - Government controlled Media (No Freedom of Press)

What do you call your press? free press? they just relay what the goverment officials tell them..

4. - Only one Political Party (Communist Party) allowed.

its a 'communist' coutry. Why doesnt the US allow a Communist party to run... and yes, one does exist.

5. - CDRs on every street corner (serve as Gestapo like police squads)

some more bullshit... i was in cuba many times. not only were the police EXTREMELY nice to me, but they were definitly not on every corner, not nearly.

7. - Harsh prison sentences for counter-revolutionary activity (easily 20 years or more in small confined cells for simply peaceful protesting against Castro or his regime).

And we get put in jail for terrorism by just expressing our views, even if it has nothing to do with terrorism. we are considered a 'threat'.. and last time i checked no one i met in cuba was in favor of any sort of revolution.
and i was put in a "small confined cell" for accidently bringing my prescription medication to school..

[Moskitto]

Homophobe, Homosexuals cannot ever be compared to "counter revolutionarries". Annother thing, the right to bear arms hasn't got much to do with freedom, (although freedom is often something different in every country.) The constitution only allows the right to bear arms as part of a well organized militia anyway.