DOES CAPITALISM WORK ?

[Hayduke]

......Im kinda sick that we have to defend our opnion over and
over...think tis time for you cappies....to explain us
" and dont dance aroudn the truth" Or asnwers ala mclaren.
STRAIGHT ANSWERS.....and dont come up with communsim dont work cause its now about your cappie system

[peaccenicked]

The statistics for unemployment in the US
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm you will see that for 8,300,000 people in the US
capitalism is not working.
God!when are you going to bless America?

(Edited by peaccenicked at 3:41 pm on Jan. 15, 2002)

[Hayduke]

And they are saying comunnism dont work......damn man

[Hayduke]

Yet im still waiting for capitalist to arrive....think he has a big mouth but if he can defend his opnion........

[Kez]

Big mouth?
maybe he's compensating for something?

sorry, had to get that one in

comrade kamo

[SBR]

One must understand , capitalism does work . I read Capitalist theory and it basically says that it main goal is the individual , and in America that is the greatest ideal , supposidly . It is doing basically doing what it says it can do , it making money , at what cost that does not matter according to the theory . For who , that do not matter either . So yes it works , in rapeing the world of its resources for a selfish elitest class thats exist in America . Because Capitalisms goals are not to make the world a better place , as any real capitalist would tell you , but to make make money for yourself at any cost for you matter only . So the question should not be whether Capitalism works but , does Capitalism help all of human society ? The answer to that is a resounding no . For while this system of greed still exists , human society will suffer in many ways and become ignorant to empathy of this earth .

[peaccenicked]

Yes the question is who benefits?
But on the big scale of things, is being greedy and mean a real benefit to an individual . Is it not a deep poverty of spirit? And in terms of social intelligence a downright stupidity. No wonder the red indians talked about
the white man's 'sickness'. It is a plague on our planet,
I am white and I know me and you are not part of that problem. We have to get rid of the illness for the sake of the whole planet.

[Imperial Power]

Yes, capitalism does work. Thats why western countries are the richest in the world. It works because it motivates people. As for your figure of unemployment America is currently troughing out in a reccesion. Real GDP is expected to rise at 2.5% this year. The 90's put America ove the top and many economists thought we would keep going and business cycles were of the past. But 9/11 screwed things up and the econonmy had actulaly been sliping for 8 months prior to that. So the economy still stays in a business cycle but if you look at the quality of living it goes up every year. It is an undeniable fact that America gets wealthier every year. Not because of some gobal conspiracy but because people earn a lot and buy a lot. Communism would never support such an economy so you can't expect a high quality of life.

[SBR]

Humanity has existed under some form of monatary system for thousands of years . So one can understand why an ideal that if all people work together in perfect harmony , no one haveing more power then the other just does not compute . All of you capitalist seem to simply back your ideals with numbers and values that have no true worth . Humanity has not grown past its animalistic habits since its existence , humans still wish to be more powerful then the other in there species . We are a species of logical understanding beings and yet with our greed and hunger for power and our deep feelings of apathy , we confine ourselves below the other species of the earth . All of these species no how to survive and yet we do not . Yes , humanity still exists but it is destroying its self in so many ways that the inevitable end will be our own extinction . We are much like the Dodo bird , ignorant to the results of our own actions . But as you sad self serving capitalists would say , who cares about the future , now is the time I live in . Do you know what happens when a child no longer beleives in Santa Clause ? That child no longer sees the magic in Christmas and only see the presents with selfish delight . Do you know what would happen if humanity no longer believed in the meaningless monatary system and endless cycle of wasted resources , all money would be useless and those who once had power with there money would then go back to the primative drive for power , in domination through submition. Rather then domination through money . You know humanity has suffered greatly as a result of Capitalism . It was capitalism that destroyed countries and peoples . The European imperialists raped this world of its resources and values making them all unorganized and helpless . And when the dirty work was done and all of the colonialists had moved on , these people found themselves not only fragmented but angry . They just could not strike back at any of their former masters , for they were far to strong . So they turned on each other , and now ignorant people look at the world and call these peoples savages . You , all of you are the savages , all capitalist and ignorant people . But now something had happend , see there are many around the world whom see how much humanity could heal its wounds of colonialism and endless war through unity . But you who have all this meaningless power do not wish to give it up . Well I say to you , humanity is evolving into a species that helps the whole rather then its self and you survivalist are no longer needed . For survival is not a word known to the the new humanity . Imagine for a moment if humanity lived under a socialist way of life , now you beleive it would be a gray world , blizzards blowing from the east , you are unable to feed oneself , drinking vodka to stay warm . But if humanity was such then well it would be more like a world of peace , you wake up at a decent time and go to work in the factory for only three hours , you go to some classes at your local academy and paint the rest of your day away , then you stop by your local pantry get the food you wish for your meal and go home eat and sleep . Now you say is such a thing possible ? Well if all 7 billion people worked together they could all dig themselves out of this gaping whole that the old soceity dug and produce what is needed , there would be plenty of food and plenty of workers so everyone would work a few hours a day and spend the rest of there day in happy pursuits not worrying about if they have enough money to pay the house payment and to feed their children . And all people could work , the elderly could do which ever job they qualified for , we cannot have the elderly breaking there backs in hard labor . Unlike under the ancient system where they have to waste what little years they have away to pay for there own medical bills and housing while there self serving children get high and drive their farraris . Can we educate 7 billion people , yes , they will have to be willing and if they wish to be a simple farmer and live in there traditional setting then they are more then welcome . And they will not be persucuted as savage uncivilized peoples unlike how you have treated natives since the dawn of imperialism . The fact is captalists want power and are comfortable with this current world. But the rest of humanity is not . And mark my words , humanity is evolving and you will soon be extinct .

[peaccenicked]

Hi 'Not anymore Imperialist 'power. You say America is rich through its own hard work. I am glad you have become an isolationist. Now will you campaign with us to
stop the super exploitation of the Third World. Obviously
you don't need their wealth.

To SBR Suicidal people are content with nooses but that does not mean they are not killing themseves. There is happy and bomb happy. Power is a bomb happy sickness. It is the worst of fetishes, the most destructive, delusional and deceitful.
These are the peope who rule the
capitalist world are sick. To quote a
Title of a Peete Seeger album. 'I hate the capitalist system because it is rotten through and through.'


(Edited by peaccenicked at 2:52 pm on Jan. 16, 2002)


(Edited by peaccenicked at 3:33 pm on Jan. 16, 2002)

[SBR]

Dear peacenicked , I dont really undertsand what you are saying , I never sayed capitalism was wonderful or that those in charge are not monsters , I agree with you totally . I do not really understand what you are replying to . If I implyed something wrong then by all means forgive me , I hate capitalism and I hope it is destroyed the utopiac era I spoke of may come to pass .

[Moskitto]

Remember the old saying.

Whenever someone makes money, someone looses money.

Company announces £10 bn, the rest of the world looses £10 bn.

[samaniego]

Capatalism is truly unfair, but it is in play. There has yet to be a Communist country to do so and truly prosper. We must give credit to those greedy bastard's they have what they want. Now it does'nt mean that it's right, only that their system is an actualization. We must really learn from them rather than to simply smear them. Capatilism is giving us the opportunity to trash it right now, so it's not all bad. It like any other system is only the victim of greed, a greed that must be over come to ever truly change anything. To conclude it does work, but it does have problems.

(Edited by samaniego at 1:55 am on Mar. 2, 2002)


(Edited by samaniego at 1:59 am on Mar. 2, 2002)

[peaccenicked]

History will judge capitalism as a very barbaric period
but will give it credit for developing the forces of production.
The question becomes one of one of whether or not
capitalism is a relative or absolute fetter on the development of the forces of production?
I would say it is an absolute fetter merely because it is threatening to destroy the planet, and not just in terms
of pollution. Neoliberalism has the midas touch in reverse everthing it touches becomes garbage and
reduced to cold cash relations, its intervention on public sevices is horrendous, ie the privatisation of prisons etc
What started with inbuilt obsolesence is proving itself
time and time again obsolete to the real needs of society. It is not working, it is destroying us.


(Edited by peaccenicked at 1:41 am on Mar. 3, 2002)

[samaniego]

Capatilism is Profit before People. This can only work for awhile, once the eyes of the masses open, it will fail.