Dear Capitalists...

[RedCeltic]

When Che Lives was founded by Malte... it was not founded as a place where socialists and capitalists would argue. It was however founded as a one of a kind board for Leftists : (Socialists/Anarchists/Communists/activists/etc)

It is a place where those on the left can come together from all over the world... to talk about world events and to formulate our own ideas and plans... and to help those new the left to mold their leftist Ideologies.

However... because it is a leftist community, we hold freedom of speech dear to us... so when people started to infltrate the board we allowed it... and frankly encouraged it with debating with them. However... it's been months now... and it's time to bring the board back on focus of it's intent.

You are not being exiled, as many of us continue to enjoy arguing with you. So please do continue to preach your right wing propaganda... and we will continue to shoot down your ill concieved theorys.



(Edited by RedCeltic at 3:40 pm on Jan. 15, 2002)

[Hayduke]

and you said commies didnt allowed free speaking ?

[Capitalist]

There has never been a communist nation that has allowed freedom of speech.

[peaccenicked]

There is no such thing as a communist nation.
Only cold warriors called the eastern bloc 'communist'
They were run by 'communist' parties who used the word communist and socialist to maintain loyalty and identify patriotism with the working class. There were many social gains made in these countries but freedom of speech was limited to the needs of the State and
if you live in the west. You need to have a proven track record in loyalty to the State to get a prominent media job. The Democrats and the Republicans are full of millionaires. How many voices against the war did you hear against the war, that you could only find on the net
or in the poorly distibuted journals of the left which are not taken on board by the major distribution companies and who are priced out by commercial tv.
also look at posting, freedom of speech - capitalist lie

[Forever capitalism]

ahhh so that means that there never has been or will be communism??

[RedRevolutionary87]

see your statement shows your lack of intelligence, there has never been a true communist state, no one said ther never will be one

[MindCrime]

The United States has banned book lists, and such things as slander, obseneties, and "fighting words" are not protected by the first amendment. Looks like capitalism doesnt allow freedoms of speech either....

[honest intellectual]

The reason freedom of speech was supressed in communist countries is not because they were communist but because they were in a minority in the world. If communism was the dominant world system and there was a small capitalist island in the Carribean, freedom of speech would be supressed there. When there is a conflict between systems, theminority one must defend itself from within and from outside.

[honest intellectual]

The reason freedom of speech was supressed in communist countries is not because they were communist but because they were in a minority in the world. If communism was the dominant world system and there was a small capitalist island in the Carribean, freedom of speech would be supressed there. When there is a conflict between systems, theminority one must defend itself from within and from outside.
Also, I agrewe whole-heartedlywith RedCeltic, the socialismvs capitalism forum is great. It makes me laugh and I love the way the cappies are invariably swept away by superior arguments.

[honest intellectual]

Whoops, sorta sent that twice. I'm on my way to becoming a guerilla.

[Xvall]

A girl I know in Texas has recently told me that the book "Nineteen Eighty-Four" is on a ban list there, and is prohibited. I can not say what I want, because if I say anything bad about the government in public, I will no doubt be attacked by one of your patriotic drones.

- Drake Dracoli

[Nateddi]

Quote: from Forever capitalism on 12:59 am on Feb. 17, 2002
ahhh so that means that there never has been or will be communism??


These kinds of immature comments piss me off.

[Project Mayhem]

Well, as well as capitalism is funtioning in the U.S.A. (regrettably so, let me assure you), it is still the most inefficient economic model the world has ever seen... And you can't change that, no matter how freakin rich you are...::mutters under breath:: pig-dogs...

[El Che]

Well said red, this is really a good solution after all. At the time i defened baning all of them, but noone would have it :) anyway this is working out rather well if i may say so.

[Imperial Power]

Project Mayhem has assured us everyone I guess this debate is over.

[Forever capitalism]

Just quickly Intellectual if in a communist society the opinion of the few is suppressed because it is a minority, then in capitlism why isn't the opinion of communists suppressed as they are a minority as well. Why oppress the minority? If they are so small and you have the majority opinion behind you what would communist be so afraid of. See it is these lies that penetrate through communists so easily. Communist/totalitarian regimes realised early on that if they allowed freedom of speech and press, then the failures and crimes of their regimes would be revealed and lose whatever support they had left. They were all dictators and oppressed the people.
There was never communist, merely a dictatorship of the one over the rest.

[guerillawarfare]

I gotta agree with "forever capitalism"....why be afraid of the minority? The only reason communists supress free speech is because if they didn't, communism, with all its faults might be revealed.....
thus said, it's not exactly like the capitalist countries in the world are such big advocates (in practice, anyway) of freedom of speech......lately in the US, i don't think it's safe to look like a Muslim, let alone confess to be one!!
Either way, it's foolish to claim either system is the answer to anything

[MindCrime]

Yes Forever Capitalism, it is a dictatorship. Castro said something to the extent of it being a dictatorship of the opressed over the opressors. The common people over the rich capitalistic merchants. A dictatorship is the whole idea, sheesh....

[El Che]

they stay out of my way you see :)

[peaccenicked]

There are german communists who escaped Hitler
and went to the US only to return because of macarthyism, they then had to escape East germany because of stalinism, then they got hounded out of their jobs in west germany because of macarthyite hounding in the education system.
communists fight for freedom of speech.
the capitalists on this site are 100% ignorant of that fight. How many times do you have to tell these pig headed morons who have the ethics of spoiled brats
that communism does not equal stalinism. There is no defence for stalinism nor capitalism. All we hear is the
fairy tale of capitalism of freedom of speech. you are lucky to hear a socialist voice in the media at all,but how can you have freedom of speech if most the information
that is spread by the corporate media giants is geared to propagating corporate greed and government aggression. All the imperialist dupes on this site are totally blind to this.

[Jurhael]

I'd just like to know what the hell freedom of speech has to do with capitalism. Besides nothing? Economic systems may come hand in hand with political systems, but they're still quite different.

A minority is only a threat when it's POWERFUL.

[Da Shit]

lololol this cappies are really funny peeps..... the marridge between ignorance and stubbornness certainly make a comic couple.....

[Forever capitalism]

peacenicked at least in capitalism you have the option of freedom of speech and expression. You can start your own communist party, start your own newspaper or whatever you want to do to present your failed system to the world. It is allowed not prohibited. The reason that communism isnt' featured in the New York Times and other prominent newspapers is that they report the news and not communist propaganda the same way they dont' report capitalist propaganda. They are free to report mistakes and errors of the capitalist government in power and criticise. That is prohibited in communist nations.
In communism freedom of speech is suppressed for the sake of uniformity

[MJM]

Quote: from Forever capitalism on 5:33 pm on Feb. 18, 2002
peacenicked at least in capitalism you have the option of freedom of speech and expression. You can start your own communist party, start your own newspaper or whatever you want to do to present your failed system to the world. It is allowed not prohibited. The reason that communism isnt' featured in the New York Times and other prominent newspapers is that they report the news and not communist propaganda the same way they dont' report capitalist propaganda. They are free to report mistakes and errors of the capitalist government in power and criticise. That is prohibited in communist nations.
In communism freedom of speech is suppressed for the sake of uniformity

American I presume?
If you're not I will be gob-smacked.
If you are, of which I'm sure, why is it this kind of shit only comes from the US?
Who's brains being washed here?

[peaccenicked]

The western press largely is owned by millionaires and
defend the interests of the ruling class. stalinism is not socialism forever deaf.
millionaires also own the means of distribution.
free does not mean fair in your books.