Capitalism

[Imperial Power]

You commies don't seem very sure of yourselves. You can't answer direct questions with direct answers. Always dancing around the truth to keep the fairy tale of communism alive in your ignorant minds. I'll ask you all again, What do you think of organized labor and being assigned a job you don't want for the rest of your life.
If you dont care arn't you then just a mindless drone that communists produce. A member of the collective.

[Moskitto]

it doesn't have to be organized so that you get assigned a job whever you want it or not, that is called fuedelism.

Instead there can be a system where you decide what job you want to do and providing there's availability and you've got qualifications, you can do it.

[peaccenicked]

We commies are very sure of ourselves. The name you
give yourself smells of millions of corpses, torture and
a thousand lies that try to tar us with stalinism. Stalin who incidently murdered some of our bravest heroes . The only fairy tale here is the ideology of the american master race that you expouse with all
the regularity of arse licking sycophant.
If you knew anything of communist theory and not its illegitimate by products, forced labour, is a capitalist phenonemon.. Before social secuity, people went on charity , just like in many of the countries in which American Imperialism tramples on peoples lives.
It is you it is the mindless drone who is just spouting mindless capitalist propaganda made up by hacks
from the media who delibrately distort history to weak minds like your own who dont study the subject matter they talk about. When are you going to listen the humanist content of marxism, find out that it is part of the free thinking tradition. Why not find out ?Rather than come here to sneer and spout idiocies we have all heard a thousand times before at kindergarden.

[Markxs]

well said i couldnt agree more. i think he is not finding out communism because of his 'liberal' mind. try to listen to your heart imperial power i know its there. and the reason you are here is because you know our ideals are right. Dont wait for the media to tells you we are.That way you will be dead long before, try to differ from the masses and help them.

(Edited by Markxs at 2:47 am on Jan. 14, 2002)

[RedCeltic]

I don't know if I'm being thick or what.. but when you say "Organised Labor" I think of labor unions and I don't see how this makes someone being forced into a job they don't like for the rest of their lives.

I do however know of many people growing up in the ghettos in the US who are forced to hold down jobs they don't like because they lack the funds and resources for a higher education. When your forced to support a family you basicly take what you can get.

[Markxs]

yes not much of a choice when its either work or die ( which is for ppl who dont get an education because they are born poor. and in this capitalist system dont have chanche to ever better their situation)

that 0,00001% who makes it, becomes the capitalist rich bastard and is maybe rich on the outside but inside he sucks, then you better live in the getto!!!! the ex-poor men feels really poor now

wealth has nothing to do with how rich ppl are. fuck materialism!

rich thieves steal much money, poor only a bread!!!!

[Valkyrie]

the chance of that ever occurring in an Anarchist-collective society would be zero. Because anarchy is oriented towards the consideration of the human being-- individually as well as collectively, with a given to have the maximum amount of self-determinism within the framework of the concerns of the whole constructive productiveness of society.






(Edited by Paris at 2:35 am on Jan. 14, 2002)

[Hayduke]

SO were dancing round the truth let me tell you this......
some people dont have a thing in this capitalist world....
not a thing.......communsim would solve it all......
people will all get a fair change....people will take care
of each other...cause they are a group....soon as indivdual
people go think all for themselves...people will ONLY
think for themselves and what they think is good for him....
it goes agains the ideas of the other people......
guess what you get......conflict...rasicm.....difference......
BUt with communsim you wouldnt have that....
YOU KNOW WHAT ALMOST ALL THE WARS ARE ABOUT ?
religion........cause some peopel think that their religion is superior
to all the others...comunism said that people must not
give their life for religion.....cause it would
only lead to problems........................
Today I had some teacher saying that we are all capitalist
cause we live in capitalist world...................
In other words...communsim can't work........
As example he gave Russia...........
As soon Staling became the leader of the Sovjet Union
he did it wrong.......he wasnt ready to be a leader.....
He was too supscious..............he grew up in
world agains him he killed all enemies......
He was more worried bout them then about the Communism...
COMMUNSIM in superior form is the form CHE GUEVARA.
would wanted it .......not too many big words from big leaders...
BEING A GROUP......NOT BE CONTROLLED BY BIG LEADER FILLING THEIR POCKETS WITH THE MONEY THEY WORKING PEOPLE EARN.
People that say that capitalism works are the one s that are living in a nice warm house........have a good job......go on vacation every year.......people that dont care about others.......yet say they are..........And I believe in communsim although my teacher said I didnt........that I couldnt believe in it.......I sure of my self...
and guess what I just got a whole story why............
No do something not many capitalist do....read it....listen to others.....dont think only for yourself

[HardcoreCommie]

First let me say that your vision of communism seems quasi-religious.

Second I'm just curious as to what kind of communism comrade Guevara would have wanted?

[revolutionary spirit]

i think he'll avoid posting in this topic now..

[libereco]

Quote: from Imperial Power on 11:02 pm on Jan. 13, 2002
You commies don't seem very sure of yourselves. You can't answer direct questions with direct answers. Always dancing around the truth to keep the fairy tale of communism alive in your ignorant minds. I'll ask you all again, What do you think of organized labor and being assigned a job you don't want for the rest of your life.
If you dont care arn't you then just a mindless drone that communists produce. A member of the collective.


I didn't read any of the other answers...i'll just directly reply to your post and question.

Firstly, you can't simply put everyone in your little "commie" box. To call us ignorant does not really help to establish a good environment to argue and discuss things, so I suppose that you don't want to discuss things but rather just be an ass and adress your attacks ad hominem and not at the subject.

Now to answer your question:
I think organized labour and being assigned any job stinks to high heaven...and it doesn't really have much to do with communism either.

What you don't realize is that the left is not only the Stalinists that you've seen on TV or maybe even talked to in real life (I've made that unfortunate "pleasure" ).
So before you go around acting above others, and thinking that you know everything (about communism for example) you better sit down and do some reading, or maybe even start with listening to the people here, wich you attack. (personally)

(Edited by libereco at 7:22 pm on Jan. 14, 2002)

[Vladimir Ulianov]

There have been always two movements in the history: keep and change...
*Keep--> it is necesry only for people who will suffer with the change.
*Change-->it is the best way for the most of people in that moment.

'Keep' has always staying back while 'change' happened. In the following phase, the past 'change' becomes 'keep' and it is made other new 'change' for that piece of history. A 'change' is carried on by a revolution.

The present situation is very bad. While we doubt if the right one is 'change' or 'keep', crowds of people is suffering!!! Wth such population is necesary a absolution nowwwwww!!! If we don´t do the revolution, it will come itsself...
Everyone happen ´cause it has to happen...

[peaccenicked]

While I agree with your basic principle,
It is a bit more complicated than that
There are things we want to keep much of the infrastructure, roads and hospitals, schools and
everything progressive in capitalist culture like music and literature, what we really want to change is the social relations of class society which hold back the real development of the infrastructure and culture.