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Sleeping Dragon
6th February 2008, 21:11
under construction

MarxSchmarx
9th February 2008, 08:12
Why do you invoke Matrix notation or set theory?

In essence you are dealing with an optimization problem. IF you had to do it analytically I'd suggest control theory as a start.

But in any event, it is far more efficient (and accurate) to use brute force computation like genetic algorithms of discrete event simulations or artificial neural nets to solve the problems you describe.

MarxSchmarx
18th February 2008, 06:53
I'm not an architect or an agricultural engineer, but I fear we're really speaking past each other here.

I guess what I'm getting at is that it seems like a lot to say without really saying much. I agree that


Matrix notation would be an excellant method of recording this data as it would be easily interpreted by computers and simple to learn, nearly anyone can comprehend matrix notation

but won't you be making the same point by saying we use spreadsheets or tables? :confused:

Or:


If they were designed along fractal geometry their construction and design would be dramatically simplified.

I.e., modularity, right?

I have seen set theory applied to a lot of bizarre things, but this is a first:

analyzing human nutrition and the simplest way I can imagine this be organized is through set theory

Again, I'm not sure we're talking about the same kind of "set theory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Set_theory)."

By in large I agree with most of what you say, at least those parts that I think I understand.

One substantive disagreement is:

Any more complicated mathematical system for the control of the nutrition of organisms could not be easily accomplished by ordinary people however such a system as this would be very easy to train people to perform and incredibly simple to use.

Things like computer games already employ quite complicated algorithms behind the scenes to accomplish fairly simple tasks. An analogy would be a car. Not everyone really cares to understand how a car operates. But virtually everyone can drive it. There is no need for the end consumer to have to deal with gobs and gobs of intermediary steps.

The management of food resources is no different. Even the experiments you reference will have to be validated by statistical analyses, which can be quite complicated in their formulation and justification. Treating more complex, and ultimately more accurate, models of agricultural production as black boxes doesn't necessarily damage the usability or the control most people can still exercise over the day-to-day running of husbandry or horticulture.

apathy maybe
20th February 2008, 09:05
I suggest you look at how many people grow marijuana.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indoor_Cannabis_cultivation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_Cannabis_cultivation (specifically Hydroponic)

As mentioned on another forum. Growing things inside allows you to control so many more variables, preventing pests (insects and police) from getting to the crop, etc.

Black-Star
23rd February 2008, 23:15
interesting, perhaps something to think about for the sustainablity of the future after we've got rid of capitalism

ÑóẊîöʼn
24th February 2008, 22:49
Sounds like an interesting way of circumventing the need to ship food for global distances. Theoretically you could place these domes anywhere where there is sufficient sunlight, yes?

MarxSchmarx
26th February 2008, 05:03
Ok, sleeping dragon, I now have a much better sense of what you were getting at.

Would you know of an agricultural product that has been produced (even experimentally) following the methodology you suggest? How do you think your approach helps mitigate the outbreak of pests?