become a vegitarian

[Organic Revolution]

if u are not vegetarian yet watch this video. it will only take 13 minuites of your life and it will save the world...............http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/video.asp?video=mym2002

[The Feral Underclass]

shit man....

[Organic Revolution]

yea. its terrible.

[Red Comrade]

All these animals should be killed in a humane way, but we have to focus on helping humans first.

[Organic Revolution]

true. they shouldnt get there necks cut while hanging upside down.. why not just shoot it in the face

[Juggernaught]

Hey!
This could be a great argument for communism!
A communist state would NEVER do such things because of profit.

[Comrade Marcel]

I'm sorry but PETA is a fucking retarded organization. I'm not sure if they still do, but I remeber awhile back they were comparing the slaughtering of Animals to Hitler's Holocaust. :(

You know what, vegans are kewl people. I don't give a fuck what other people choose to eat, but I hate vegans who try to be activists.

There is a a system called Capitalism. And if you want to get even a little bit closer to animal rights being relized you are going to have to overthrow that system and create decent material conditions for humans first.

Leftist Veganism, a Petty-Bourgeois Disorder. You do realize how petty-bourgeois you are being right? You do understand how annoying and individualist-liberialist, not to mention counter productive your so called "activism" is, right? I mean, it's the same as the green-anarchists who put trees before the lives of workers.... You do realize that at this point in time a billion humans can't afford to eat at all, let alone choose to eat a vegan diet?

Do you really think that proletarians can choose to spend extra money on tofu and other things, that cost more then meat, just to get the same amount of protein, etc. when they can barely afford to pay rent?

In general, we all need to eat healthier, including way more vegetables with higher quality meat, and meat less often. But I don't think that total veganism is necessarily the answer. Animals eat other types of animals. Don't try to tell me it's brutal, or it's similiar to eating another human. It's not, it's the food chain and we are on the top. Deal with it.

(Edited by Comrade Marcel at 8:07 pm on July 1, 2003)

[Red Comrade]

I whole-heartedly agree Comrade Marcel. Veganism is petty bourgeois.

[TXsocialist]

agreed. Vegitarian activism is petty bourgeois, but vegitarianism itself is not - rather it is simply a personal choice.

I'm no vegitarian, but I see some merits in it, besides the lack of protien, which allowed our brains to evolve :)

[tacoernie]

bullshit. you can easily show that you can live a healthy vege/vegan diet, therefore the only reason we eat meat is to satisfy appitete.
look at the video -can you justify this sort of treatment of animals solely to satisfy said appitete (does this not make you feel to sick to eat anyway)
your eating meat isnt gonna feed the starving, and we all are familar with the concept that land pushed towards a vege diet yeilds more than cattle or sheep eating grass.
as for saying we have no place as activists: i also dont feel you should kill people for no reason, and will definately speak up agaisnt this. i dont feel you should rape, and will speak up agaisnt this. i dont feel u should cruise round beating up children, and will speak up against this.
killing sentient beings, who can feel pain and fear is wrong, particularly in todays factory farming climate, where an animal is treated primaly as a piece of meat, is wrong, and i will speak up against this.
surely you can see that teaching corperations responsiblity for there actions, be they worker rights, animal rights or enviromental, are all part of the same struggle -the corpirates must be taught to give a damn.
we share the planet with these animals, and should respec their right to live in a dignifed manner, without pain or suffering. how do you feel watching the video marcel -have you no compassion?

[Just Joe]

What you like to eat is not linked to class struggle lads.

[Charlie]

That was one of the most disturbing things I have ever seen. I couldn't stand to watch some of the scenes... That was utterly horrific. I am seriously considering vegetarianism now.

[TXsocialist]

Read "The Jungle" too. But yea, that was horrible, but shit, I like meat.

This little "save the world" campaign is petty-bourgeois and utopian. Any hope of a future humane-killing-animal society rests in a communist one, so try not to waste your energy with PETA, a useless organization of actors feeling important and special, and work towards a REAL goal.

[bluerev002]

That video made me think that there has to be a less brutal way of killing animals, it made me think of animal rights and things like that, but not becoming a vegetarian.

Do you (some of you) think that by not eating the meat that is put on your plate is going to help animals?
I doubt it, if you dont eat it they'll just throw it away, fuck it the big meat companies dont give a shit if you eat their meat or not. They will continue to kill what they killed the last week w/o regard to wether ppl eat it or not.

How many packets of chiken do you think the supermarket throws out because ppl dont buy them?
Is that notmore of a waste?

Of coures, I'm not saying eat more meat so there wouldnt be any waste, but I am saying that animals need to be treated better, killed in less painful ways.

all in all i like meat.

[Hegemonicretribution]

Quote: from tacoernie on 2:34 pm on July 2, 2003
bullshit. you can easily show that you can live a healthy vege/vegan diet, therefore the only reason we eat meat is to satisfy appitete.
look at the video -can you justify this sort of treatment of animals solely to satisfy said appitete (does this not make you feel to sick to eat anyway)
your eating meat isnt gonna feed the starving, and we all are familar with the concept that land pushed towards a vege diet yeilds more than cattle or sheep eating grass.
as for saying we have no place as activists: i also dont feel you should kill people for no reason, and will definately speak up agaisnt this. i dont feel you should rape, and will speak up agaisnt this. i dont feel u should cruise round beating up children, and will speak up against this.
killing sentient beings, who can feel pain and fear is wrong, particularly in todays factory farming climate, where an animal is treated primaly as a piece of meat, is wrong, and i will speak up against this.
surely you can see that teaching corperations responsiblity for there actions, be they worker rights, animal rights or enviromental, are all part of the same struggle -the corpirates must be taught to give a damn.
we share the planet with these animals, and should respec their right to live in a dignifed manner, without pain or suffering. how do you feel watching the video marcel -have you no compassion?


I think I agree with quite a bit of this if I understand...basically they may well be experienced in activism, which is a plus. Also if people are starving then a vegetarian lifestye is more efficient. However I suppose the last point does not matter too much, there is already overproduction, just there is also over consumption in some areas already, waste of food etc. So as there is already enough, and because of innequalities some will not have enough regardless, we can worry about animal rights because under the current system it won't affect how many people go hungry. I think hunting is the way fowards.

[apathy maybe]

We have either 1. evolved to eat meat or 2. were put on this earth with teath that can eat meat. Either way there is nothing wrong with eating meat. If you have an objection to eating meat because it lead an unhappy life or died cruelly good on you. But I live on a farm. The animals don't die cruelly.
There is no inteligent reason to eat no meat at all, unless you don't like the taste of it or unless you cannot get meat that has not died cruelly . I mean plants have feelings too. You may as well be a breatharian.

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

I'm sorry but PETA is a fucking retarded organization. I'm not sure if they still do, but I remeber awhile back they were comparing the slaughtering of Animals to Hitler's Holocaust.

You know what, vegans are kewl people. I don't give a fuck what other people choose to eat, but I hate vegans who try to be activists.

There is a a system called Capitalism. And if you want to get even a little bit closer to animal rights being relized you are going to have to overthrow that system and create decent material conditions for humans first.

Leftist Veganism, a Petty-Bourgeois Disorder. You do realize how petty-bourgeois you are being right? You do understand how annoying and individualist-liberialist, not to mention counter productive your so called "activism" is, right? I mean, it's the same as the green-anarchists who put trees before the lives of workers.... You do realize that at this point in time a billion humans can't afford to eat at all, let alone choose to eat a vegan diet?

Do you really think that proletarians can choose to spend extra money on tofu and other things, that cost more then meat, just to get the same amount of protein, etc. when they can barely afford to pay rent?

In general, we all need to eat healthier, including way more vegetables with higher quality meat, and meat less often. But I don't think that total veganism is necessarily the answer. Animals eat other types of animals. Don't try to tell me it's brutal, or it's similiar to eating another human. It's not, it's the food chain and we are on the top. Deal with it.



I agree on the major part, but..

you're not "counter-productive" if you think that the images on that film are disgusting and that it should change.

Yes, you're counter-productive if you think that the bio-industry must disappear, but a higher production doesn't necessarily mean that it's better. In some ways the production of food in general would even rise.

By destroying the bio-industry the production of meat would decrease drasticly, but par example a cow has to eat 30 kilo's of grass or vegtables to gain 1 kilo in bodyweight. The bio-industry is spilling a whole lot of food.

For the sake of the animals, yourself and others it would be much better to eat the vegtables yourself instead of pumping it into animals.

But I am not a vegatarian, I am against the bio-industry. We would be much healthier if we all would stop eating so meat, especially those from the bio-industry.

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Furthermore the animals in the wild don't have much choice. In the wild you're the hunter or the hunted. They kill for their survival.

We don't, I don't know how much of you guys are forced to hunt on squirrels for survival, but I can't see how we are forced to kill animals to stay alive.

Yes we are on top of the food chain, that only means that we have a choice not a duty.

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So I suggest that we start to eat less meat and more vegtables. And no meat at all from the bio-industry.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

I am stunned from watching taht video. Iam absolutely shocked. i'm not so surprised, but i am extremely horrified to an extent that has only been matched when i could first look out the window of my car in Sao paulo and see the starving children and their families sitting on the sidewalk with a look on their faces of horror and fear. Even though it was something i grew up with, it was something i could never ignore or let slide by as another simple reality of modern society.

[Organic Revolution]

damn right you should be stunned its horrible.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 1 2003, 08:06 PM
I'm sorry but PETA is a fucking retarded organization. I'm not sure if they still do, but I remeber awhile back they were comparing the slaughtering of Animals to Hitler's Holocaust. :(

You know what, vegans are kewl people. I don't give a fuck what other people choose to eat, but I hate vegans who try to be activists.

There is a a system called Capitalism. And if you want to get even a little bit closer to animal rights being relized you are going to have to overthrow that system and create decent material conditions for humans first.

Leftist Veganism, a Petty-Bourgeois Disorder. You do realize how petty-bourgeois you are being right? You do understand how annoying and individualist-liberialist, not to mention counter productive your so called "activism" is, right? I mean, it's the same as the green-anarchists who put trees before the lives of workers.... You do realize that at this point in time a billion humans can't afford to eat at all, let alone choose to eat a vegan diet?

Do you really think that proletarians can choose to spend extra money on tofu and other things, that cost more then meat, just to get the same amount of protein, etc. when they can barely afford to pay rent?

In general, we all need to eat healthier, including way more vegetables with higher quality meat, and meat less often. But I don't think that total veganism is necessarily the answer. Animals eat other types of animals. Don't try to tell me it's brutal, or it's similiar to eating another human. It's not, it's the food chain and we are on the top. Deal with it.

(Edited by Comrade Marcel at 8:07 pm on July 1, 2003)
Here-here comrade Marcel.


PETA and individuals like tacoernie are completely misguided and need to grow up. Don't get me wrong. I was upset greatly by this video, however becoming a "vegetarian" in place of reforming the slaughtering practises of major corporations that don't want to spend the extra few quid per animal to humanely slaughter them is absulutely absurd.

[Moskitto]

I am considering going mostly vegetarian for nutritional reasons (pulses contain more carbohydrate/less fat than meat), however I would never consider going vegetarian because of watching a PETA video, I agree with RAF totally.

A problem with the premise that by stopping farming animals there's more land to grow food is that different food has different nutrients. A pork chop is not the same as a slice of bread, there's stuff in bread that isn't in pork, there's stuff in pork that isn't in bread, I personally prefer the bread because of the taste and it's nutrition is what i'm looking for, someone else might prefer the pork. Also Some land isn't actually suitable for growing soya beans, and some land isn't suitable for growing grass.

And how does eating north atlantic pilchards take up "farmland that could be used for growing crops to feed people"?

[atheist_anarchist]

The funny thing about PETA comparing the slaughter of animals to the holocaust is that Nazi Germany was one of the biggest anti-vivisection organizations, for lack of a better word. And the vegetarians soy products and stuff is more expensive than meat there by supporting capitalism and the state rather than if they bought meat, it supports the state due to taxes for THAT ONE GUY.

[Vanguard1917]

The funny thing about PETA comparing the slaughter of animals to the holocaust is that Nazi Germany was one of the biggest anti-vivisection organizations, for lack of a better word

Yep. The Nazi government was the only regime in modern times to enforce the kind of laws demanded by today's animal rights movement.


http://www.armyths.org/goer2.jpg

Nazi statement on the banning of animal testing:

Vivisection Forbidden in Prussia!

The New Germany leads all civilized nations in the area of animal protection!

The famous national socialist Graf E. Reventkow published in the Reichswart, the official publication of the "union of patriotic Europeans", the lead article "Protection and Rights {Recht} for the Animal". National Socialism, he writes, has for the first time in Germany begun to show Germans the importance of the individual's duty toward the animal . Most Germans have been raised with the attitude that animals are created by God for the use and benefit of man. The church gets this idea from the Jewish tradition. We have met with not a few clerics who defend this position with utmost steadfastness and vigor, yes one could say almost brutally. Usually they defend their position with the unstated intent of deepening and widening the chasm between man who has soul and soulless (how do they know that?) animals...

The friend of animals knows to what inexpressible extent the mutual understanding between man and animal and feelings of togetherness can be developed, and there are many friends of animals in Germany, and also many who cannot accept animal torture out of simple humanitarian reasons. In general however, we still find ourselves in a desert of unfeeling and brutality as well as sadism. There is much to be done and we would first like to address vivisection, for which the words "cultural shame" do not even come close; in fact it must be viewed as a criminal activity.

Graf Reventkow presents a number of examples of beastial vivisection crimes and affirms at the end, with mention of Adolph Hitler's sharp anti-vivisectionist positions, our demand that once and for all an end has to be brought to this animal exploitation.

We German friends of animals and anti-vivisectionists have placed our hopes upon the Chancellor of the Reich and his comrades in arms who are, as we know, friends of animals. Our trust has not been betrayed!

The New Germany brings proof that it is not only the hearth but bringer of a new, higher, more refined, culture:

Vivisection, a cultural shame in the whole civilized world, against which the Best in all states have fought in vain for decades, will be banned in the New Germany!

A Reich Animal Protection Law which includes a ban on vivisection is imminent and just now comes the news, elating all friends of animals, that the greatest German state, Prussia, has outlawed vivisection with no exceptions!

The National Socialist German Workers' Party { NSDAP } press release states:

"The Prussian minister-president Goering has released a statement stating that starting 16 August 1933 vivisection of animals of all kinds is forbidden in Prussia. He has requested that the concerned ministries draft a law after which vivisection will be punished with a high penalty *). Until the law goes into effect, persons who, despite this prohibition, order, participate or perform vivisections on animals of any kind will be deported to concentration camps."

Among all civilized nations, Germany is thus the first to put an end to the cultural shame of vivisection! The New Germany not only frees man from the curse of materialism, sadism, and cultural Bolshevism, but gives the cruelly persecuted, tortured, and until now, wholly defenceless animals their rights { Recht }. Animal friends and anti-vivisectionists of all states will joyfully welcome this action of the National Socialist government of the New Germany!

What Reichschancellor Adolph Hitler and Minister-president Goering have done and will do for the protection of animals should set the course for the leaders of all civilized nations! It is a deed which will bring the New Germany innumerable new elated friends in all nations. Millions of friends of animals and anti-vivisectionists of all civilized nations thank these two leaders from their hearts for this exemplary civil deed!

Buddha, the Great loving spirit of the East, says: "He who is kind-hearted to animals, heaven will protect!" May this blessing fulfils the leaders of the New Germany, who have done great things for animals, until the end. May the blessing hand of fate protect these bringers of a New Spirit, until their godgiven earthly mission is fulfilled!

R.O.Schmidt

*) As we in the meantime have learned, a similar ban has been proclaimed in Bavaria. The formal laws are imminent - thanks to the energetic initiative of our Peoples' chancellor Adolph Hitler, for whom all friends of animals of the world will maintain forever their gratitude, their love, and their loyalty.

From: Die Weisse Fahne {The White Flag} 14 (1933) : 710-711.http://www.armyths.org/

[AtteroDominatus]

I feel awful watching any slaughterhouse videos. It makes me sick, as well as the thought of hunting. But I can't stand just eating fruits and vegetables. Call me sick, but my mouth waters when I see even raw meat. I agree, this is sick and wrong, it makes me ashamed to be a human. But even worse, look up seal or dolphin hunting. Stuff is sick, man. I have feelings for these animals, they deserve our respect, even if we eat them. For if we kill for food, as clearly farming is supposed to work, we should give thanks that these animals are even here for us to eat.

Look at wild animals, it's the way the world works, the cliche example eat or be eaten. I know we're higher creatures, but I can't live without meat, it means to much to me. Yes, call me a monster for that, but I see all the wrong, I'm not an evil person. I do not agree with this treatment at all, it's inhuman, brutal and evil. Animals may not have equal footing with humans (for if they did, they'd be paying taxes too, or regarding under laws). But, they deserve our respect and we shoudl honor them, even if we choose to eat them.

[Drace]

I should become a veggie because of animal slaughter?

Ok! Ill be a strawberry!

http://townofstmarys.com/uploadedImages/discover/festivals_and_events/strawberry.jpg

[Bilan]

Don't revive these old threads.
closed.