Satanists & Socialism

[AnarchyRulz]

This isnt intended as a "flaming post", it's a serious inquiry. The xians call Communism "Satanic", so what do Communists think of us Satanists? I am a Satanist and still think Communism is inevitable and the best chance for saving humanity. I don't believe in equality, for it is a myth, even Stalin said so, BUT just because humans arent "equal" doesnt mean that we can't TREAT each other with equal respect. Some people can do things that others can't do, it's a fact. Ok, I'll wait for responses and remember, this isnt intended to incite rage just honest opinions.

[JazzRemington]

I've heard of some communist groups that are satanist to some degree or another. I knew one from this old (and gone) forum I used to be on.

[Marsella]

This isnt intended as a "flaming post", it's a serious inquiry. The xians call Communism "Satanic", so what do Communists think of us Satanists? I am a Satanist and still think Communism is inevitable and the best chance for saving humanity. I don't believe in equality, for it is a myth, even Stalin said so, BUT just because humans arent "equal" doesnt mean that we can't TREAT each other with equal respect. Some people can do things that others can't do, it's a fact. Ok, I'll wait for responses and remember, this isnt intended to incite rage just honest opinions.

I suggest you look up a thread on whether communism is compatiable with religion.

It is the same question.

[AnarchyRulz]

But Satanism is anti-religion. We don't bow down to anyone or anything. We believe in humanity. If there are/were Gods and said Gods granted us knowledge then it is up to us, humans, to use said knowledge and not rely on something that may or may not be to guide us. Also, most Satanists abhore oppression and fight to abolish it, therefore we can't be fascists, capitalism promotes exploitation which leads to oppression, therefore it isnt a viable option either. If Socialism depends on people acitng in a responsible manner, then it is compatible.

[Marsella]

'Even Satan believes in God.'

[Ismail]

1. If you view Communism is the best chance for saving humanity, then you aren't an anarchist as Communists are collectivists and anarchists are usually individualists.
2. "Satanism" (the modern form, from the 1960's onwards) is essentially a vague version of Ayn Rand's pseudo-philosophy of Objectivism, which is über-individualism and is extremely pro-capitalism.

http://www.churchofsatan.com/Pages/SatObj.html


Objectivism, the philosophy of Ayn Rand, is an acknowledged source for some of the Satanic philosophy as outlined in The Satanic Bible by Anton LaVey. Ayn Rand was a brilliant and insightful author and philosopher and her best-selling novels Atlas Shrugged and The Fountainhead continue to attract deserved attention for a new generation of readers.So if you are a "Satanist" then you aren't actually a leftist.

Ergo, I believe that "Satanism" is idiotic and for the most part embraced by pseudo-revolutionary teenagers who do not know better. Considering I don't actually consider anarchists to be allies except in the most dangerous of circumstances, I'm also not a fan of what has been called 'Anarcho-Communism'.


I don't believe in equality, for it is a myth, even Stalin said soShow me the quote and its source, please. Equality can mean a lot of things.

[Red October]

Well, if you buy into right wing christian propaganda, all communists are evil satanists. But in all seriousness, satanism is retarded. And if you're really an anarchist, I don't know why you would trust Stalin's ideas of equality.

[Black Dagger]

Discussion on anarchism split to here (http://www.revleft.com/vb/mrdie-anarchism-anarchists-t69801/index.html)

[Dimentio]

Satanism is not a religion, but an ideology/philosophy which is based on rational egoism. One could theoretically be a rational egoist and yet be a communist (look at Stirner for example).



1. Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.
2. Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them.
3. When in another’s lair, show him respect or else do not go there.
4. If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy.
5. Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.
6. Do not take that which does not belong to you unless it is a burden to the other person and he cries out to be relieved.
7. Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.
8. Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.
9. Do not harm little children.
10. Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food.
11. When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.



As far as I'll see, it is an elitist and anti-egalitarian philosophy with mystical-idealist overtunes. Yet it is more progressive than christianity in my opinion.

[Dr Mindbender]

if you asked Marx what he thought of Satanism, I'm sure he'd treat it with the same contempt as christianity.

[Don't Change Your Name]

7. Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.

¿?

Loonies!

[Purple]

From what I have read about satanism and its modern variations it is a facist ideology that believes in the ruling of a "superior" class of somewhat enlightened satanists. Most satanists in Norway are supporters of the Holocaust and the Nazi regime for killing those who was considered weak by their own dilluted standards. So communism and satanism? No!

[Demogorgon]

If someone claims to be both Communist and Satanist, they are being a Communist for the same reason they are being a Satanist: TO be controversial and to attract attention.

Anton Lavey described Satanism as "just the philosophy of Ayn Rand with added ritual". If you think that is compatible with Communism, I really cannot help you.

[Cryotank Screams]

I am a Satanist

Trust me comrade when I say this-you can't combine Leftist politics with Satanism. ;)

Even though Satanism is apolitical, consider this quote...

"There is nothing inherently wrong with fascism, given the nature and needs of the average citizen... Now it's not so much a case of avoiding fascism, but of replacing a screwed up, disjointed, fragmented and stupefying kind of fascism with one that is more sensible and truly progressive."-Anton LaVey.

[Prairie Fire]

11. When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.




This "church of satan" must really appeal to the the hardcore elements of the fantasy/ D&D community. "I will destroy you, feeble human!"


10. Do not kill non-human animals

:scared:
So... killing human animals is still acceptable?

Anyways,

It is fitting for a persyn to be both anarchist and Satanist. Let me guess:
do you also enjoy skateboarding and punk music :rolleyes:.
Now, to answer your question, th eoverwhelming majority of communists are not satanists, and the theory of communism has no roots in the occult or satanism. As many comrades have pointed out here, even the "church of satan" in it's modern form is opposed in prinicple to Marxism-Leninism.

On the other hand, some of the more old-school, more ridiculous anti-communists ( especially from a conservative christian position) have called us devil-worshippers for decades.

On a related topic, I love really sloppy anti-communist propaganda; the type that doesn't talk about alleged "human rights abuses" or economic feasability, but rather ridiculous shit that no one cares about.

Here is an excellent clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnahfapzhj4&feature=related

[RedAnarchist]

1. Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.

ie - Speak only when spoken to. Not very progressive, is it?


2. Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them.

Thats fine, I suppose, but why is this the second rule? Is it really that important?


3. When in another’s lair, show him respect or else do not go there.

Lair?:laugh:
What is meant by respect? Politeness?


4. If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy.

Or you can like a civilised human and ask them to leave.


5. Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.

If you're saying that sex must always be consensual, then thats fine.


6. Do not take that which does not belong to you unless it is a burden to the other person and he cries out to be relieved.

Is this advocating euthanasia? I agree with this, especially if your action will help the person.


7. Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.

Magic is childish crap.


8. Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.

I disagree with this. This rule is pretty much saying that you should not speak out against injustices made against others.



9. Do not harm little children.

Thats fine, unless you count foetuses as little children, which they aren't.


10. Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food.

Ok then, but what about human animals?



11. When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.

Thats just moronic. Why would you destroy someone for that?

[Knight of Cydonia]

We don't bow down to anyone or anything. We believe in humanity. If there are/were Gods and said Gods granted us knowledge then it is up to us, humans, to use said knowledge and not rely on something that may or may not be to guide us.
hm...that probably lead you to be a humanist, not a satanist...at all! or maybe you were just an ignorant atheist/anti-theist...and preferably, you were just some random person who had a lot of boring times, surfing on the net, and found this board and you decide to make a little fun of it to get other attention of what you are.:glare:

[Cryotank Screams]

This "church of satan" must really appeal to the the hardcore elements of the fantasy/ D&D community.

What needs to be pointed out here is that LaVey's writing style when writing things meant to be ‘religious’ was to be both poetic and to mock other religions. Most if not all of the explicitly "religious," things he wrote about where written in such a way to mirror and parody other existing religions of the past and present and to make said things sound religiousy.

Red_Anarchist, here is my interpretation of the 11 rules.


1. Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.

Don’t give opinions or advice unless you’re sure someone wants to hear them.


2. Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them.

Don’t ***** unless you are sure someone is willing to listen.


3. When in another’s lair, show him respect or else do not go there.

Don’t go into someone’s house, raise Cain and generally be rude to the person who lives there.


4. If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy.

If someone comes into your house and is being rude then respond likewise.


5. Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.

Wrote in response to myths that Satanists rape people.


6. Do not take that which does not belong to you unless it is a burden to the other person and he cries out to be relieved.

Thou shall not steal unless thy neighbor is offended by something he can’t get rid of and you want said offensive item.


7. Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.

In Satanism ‘magic’ means psychodrama in the sense that it’s a way to act out various emotions. For example if you had a bad day and someone really fucked you over then you do a destruction ritual to act out said emotions which can be compared to beating up a pillow. Or if you fancy someone then you do a lust ritual which could help you work up the nerve to initiate a relationship. If you second guess act then you could easily slip into the whole “omgzzzz, I fucking hate [x] for fucking me over,” or “shit, I can’t talk to [x],” and so on. That’s all it really means.


8. Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.

Don’t complain about something you’re doing to yourself.


9. Do not harm little children.

Wrote in response to myths that Satanists harm little children.


10. Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food.

Wrote in response to myths that Satanists sacrifice black cats and the like.


11. When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.

Don’t just wantonly go up and fuck with someone. If someone does that to you then try to ignore them but if they continue then respond likewise.

Note that I'm not saying I necessarily agree with the 11 'rules' I'm just saying from experience that these are how they are usually interpreted. LaVey also wrote these 11 ‘rules’ in response to people asking what are the ‘commandments’ of Satanism and again because this was to be explicitly ‘religious’ he wrote it religiousy.

[AnarchyRulz]

So, since LaVey "invented" Satanism, does that mean that Trotsky invented Marxism? LaVey is a joke and nothing about him was original. The Church of Satan is a joke, they attract the insecure who seek attention. Satanism is anti organised religion, pro environment, pro humanity and most of us see Satan as a liberator of mankind from oppression. BUT the real meaning of my question was regarding FREEDOM of religion in a Socialist society. In our opinion, religion should be practised, if any, at home. We are for the raising of humanity from our current level to levels far beyond, ie, "more human than human." Is it not foolish to be an athiest? Can you PROVE no gods ever existed? It is your choice so why can't I have a choice as well? And to Comrade Ismail, check out Comrade Stalin's
REPORT TO THE SEVENTEENTH PARTY
CONGRESS ON THE WORK OF THE CENTRAL
COMMITTEE OF THE C.P.S.U.(B.)

Pravda, No. 27,
January 28, 1934

[Marsella]

BUT the real meaning of my question was regarding FREEDOM of religion in a Socialist society. In our opinion, religion should be practised, if any, at home.

It is questionable whether there will be a communist revolution when the vast majority of the population bows to an unproven God.

If they cannot free their minds from such garbage, then what chance will they overthrow their real enslavers?

'Personal religion' is just as useless as organised religion.

We attack more the idea of religion as a tool of the ruling class versus whether it is practiced amongst hundreds in a church or at home saying a prayer before bed.


Satanism is anti organised religion, pro environment, pro humanity and most of us see Satan as a liberator of mankind from oppression.

Holy fuck, you're an idiot.

Satan, like God, is a mystical, non-existant lie.

Those who see Satan as a liberator of mankind are religious.

All you have done is substitute Satan for God.

Your ideals have nothing to do with anarchism or communism.

Now fuck off you troll.


Can you PROVE no gods ever existed?

'Can you PROVE no dragons/unicorns/flyingpigmonkeys ever existed?'

(Learn something about the burden of proof)

[Die Neue Zeit]

2. "Satanism" (the modern form, from the 1960's onwards) is essentially a vague version of Ayn Rand's pseudo-philosophy of Objectivism, which is über-individualism and is extremely pro-capitalism.

http://www.churchofsatan.com/Pages/SatObj.html

So if you are a "Satanist" then you aren't actually a leftist.

Ergo, I believe that "Satanism" is idiotic and for the most part embraced by pseudo-revolutionary teenagers who do not know better.

Thank you for clarifying. :)

Furthermore, it is a petit-bourgeois excess, and is certainly something that won't win more socially conservative working-class folks over. :(

[EwokUtopia]

Satanism is essentially Objectivism for disgruntled white teenage males who want to feel badass and oppositional for holding their beliefs. It has nothing to do with the deity (or antideity) Satan. Basically, it is just taking Ayn Rands philosophy of the virtues of selfishness and dumbing it down to simple points, whilst at the same time, geeking it up a few thousand percent by using words like "Lair" for home, and "mating signal" for flirting (but given these words, I dont think many of them have too much experiance in that matter).

If you are going to be a Neoliberal or an Objectivist, please at least take it seriously before you expect to be met with any serious debate. Objectivism is wrong, but at least it is not as utterly pathetic as LeVeyan Satanism.

[Die Neue Zeit]

Where's the ex-Objectivist Marxosaurus Rex when you need him? :(

[AnarchyRulz]

Martov, your stupidity is only equaled by your ignorance. I find it amusing that people who admit they know nothing of said subject are quick to give their opinions. Now, I'm not blasting all who responded but it is clear that many are just bitter losers in this war for freedom and want everyone else to be as bitter. Now, Martov, you fuck off and play Che, you know, the one EVERYONE worships yet he never won a fucking battle! Comrade Castro even distanced himself from that clown. It's no wonder with the lot of losers that infest this site that Socialism and Communism are destined to lose. People DO want personal freedom. People WILL NOT fight for further oppression. I came back here for there are more than a few that I call Comrades. In closing, for those who'd like to learn of real Communism, try this link:

w w w. o n e p a r t y . c o . u k /

I hope I'm not banned for this post, for I only retaliated in self-defense. I truly wish to discuss Socialism and Communism for this world is headed for further oppression by the world capitalists and infighting and especially revisionists, is counterproductive.

[Marsella]

Martov, your stupidity is only equaled by your ignorance. I find it amusing that people who admit they know nothing of said subject are quick to give their opinions. Now, I'm not blasting all who responded but it is clear that many are just bitter losers in this war for freedom and want everyone else to be as bitter. Now, Martov, you fuck off and play Che, you know, the one EVERYONE worships yet he never won a fucking battle! Comrade Castro even distanced himself from that clown. It's no wonder with the lot of losers that infest this site that Socialism and Communism are destined to lose. People DO want personal freedom. People WILL NOT fight for further oppression. I came back here for there are more than a few that I call Comrades. In closing, for those who'd like to learn of real Communism, try this link:

w w w. o n e p a r t y . c o . u k /

I hope I'm not banned for this post, for I only retaliated in self-defense. I truly wish to discuss Socialism and Communism for this world is headed for further oppression by the world capitalists and infighting and especially revisionists, is counterproductive.

Boo hoo!

http://wilcom2.com/Pictures/Smiley_cry.gif

But I noticed an image of the site you linked:

http://www.oneparty.co.uk/images/img-4heads.gif

Now, I remember a former member with that avatar.

Hint: anarchists don't talk about revisionists.

Got it, fuckwit?

[AnarchyRulz]

LOMFL, ok, it's getting late so, for 1. I was not the former member who used that avatar, I never had an avatar, so you're wrong again, but then again, you're probably used to that. 2nd, I don't know if I'm "really" an Anarchist, I just used that name cause the cool sn martov was already taken. I wanted to use the sn, "I'mDavidandIwasbannedforspeakingoutagainstinjustic eandfightingwithrevisionisttrash"
I've already seen Comrades on here, who know me and know what I'm about, so you don't worry me. I merely asked a simple question, that involved FREEDOM. I see that you are opposed to freedom so go hang out with SF, they seem to think like you.

[Jazzratt]

This "church of satan" must really appeal to the the hardcore elements of the fantasy/ D&D community. "I will destroy you, feeble human!"

Screw you! I am the hardcore element of the fantasy/D&D community and I think Satanism is a load of wank. Howerver, I appreciate that your remark was made in jest, however this crap...


It is fitting for a persyn to be both anarchist and Satanist.

Thank you for your insight, but a lot of the anarchist mainstream disagree with you.


Let me guess:
do you also enjoy skateboarding and punk music :rolleyes:.

:lol: Stand up career not taking off? Seriously, this stereotype is complete and utter crap, and it comes from exactly the same kind of people that talk about Stalin killing billions - the whole idea is to discredit anarchists who're trying to seriously organise within the working class by making people assume they're a bunch of "up the punx!" apes.

I'm sure you're going to come up with the example of that spack you spoke to on the train or wherever it was, my advice is don't bother and remember that one form of the strawman argument is attacking a weak proponent of your opponent's position and to claim they speak for all people holding that position.

[Kitskits]

Just posting to say that theistic satanists (not devil worshippers) are more close to being leftists (its sounds odd but yes) than the LaVeyan-ultra-anarcho-capitalist-troopers-from-hell.

[Don't Change Your Name]

People, stop bothering with this pseudo-mythological "lair"/"magic"/"mating signal"/"destroy him" bullshit...the guy himself admitted it's all a "joke" (as if we wouldn't have realized it by ourselves already!). Anyway, I'm sure satanism is not compatible with anarchism, it's basically Ayn Rand for goths. And of course Satan doesn't exist.


I truly wish to discuss Socialism and Communism for this world is headed for further oppression by the world capitalists and infighting and especially revisionists, is counterproductive.


Ok, then tell us, what can we do to defeat the evil christian god so that satan can free (newspeak for rule over) us?


Can you PROVE no gods ever existed?No. However, there's no evidence of any of them actually existing so it is a good and logical assumption to make. On the other hand, those who believe must provide evidence of the existance of their deities since they are the ones asserting that there's "something" "there".


most of us see Satan as a liberator of mankind from oppression.Does this mean you accept judeochristian mythology? Also, if that's the case, and since supposedly Satan will lose in the end, can the word "idiotic" be applied to most of you?

You have quite a lot of homework to do now, since you have to prove that both God and Satan exist. :ohmy:

[Prairie Fire]

http://www.revleft.com/vb/satanists-socialism-t69793/revleft/smilies2/lol.gif Stand up career not taking off? Seriously, this stereotype is complete and utter crap, and it comes from exactly the same kind of people that talk about Stalin killing billions - the whole idea is to discredit anarchists who're trying to seriously organise within the working class by making people assume they're a bunch of "up the punx!" apes.


You misunderstand me, Jazz.

I think (or at least initially thought) that this individual is a rebellious suburbanarchist. If I had a nickle for every kid trying to be controversial who dabbled in shit they didn't understand; usually satanism and anarchism were at the top of the list, as they were controversial and so easily accessible. Skate boarding and punk music are the trademarks of snotty rebellious youth, so they usually go hand in hand with thier satanarchism.

I wasn't having a go at anarchism or anarcho-syndicalism ( I was acquainted with the IWW long enough to know the difference between serious anarchists and dumb stoner teenagers trying to be controversial.).
I was saying that this individual fits the profile of kids I've seen who were anarchists one week, satanists the next, rastifarians the week after, etc, etc. They don't really believe in anything or challenege the status quo, they just latch onto these causes for shits and giggles.

clarified?

[Jazzratt]

clarified?

Fair enough. Given that the name was "AnarchyRulz" it's understandable. I got a little confused by the wording, I thought you were using "you" to adress the general reader (i.e if you like skating & punk music you will be an anarchis-satanist).

[Colonello Buendia]

I think this kid needs serious therapy, even if he goes to a capitalist to get it, he sounds like a generationX caricature who has a myspace page "ironically" and is just desperately acting out. seriously most people think that of me but if I was just being a rebel why would I read Marx for hours and try and post here regularly? but I digress, the guy is a prat/poser/problyemo/goth who wears pentagrams and and talks about death....weirdo

[Dean]

I think this kid needs serious therapy, even if he goes to a capitalist to get it, he sounds like a generationX caricature who has a myspace page "ironically" and is just desperately acting out. seriously most people think that of me but if I was just being a rebel why would I read Marx for hours and try and post here regularly? but I digress, the guy is a prat/poser/problyemo/goth who wears pentagrams and and talks about death....weirdo

Generation Y, you mean :P

[Black Dagger]

and is certainly something that won't win more socially conservative working-class folks over. :(

I don't think you should say that - people of all classes get won over by some pretty dodgey stuff - not just religion, but social prejudice, even economic conservativism that hurts their interests - like voting whig etc.

[Individuality]

2. "Satanism" (the modern form, from the 1960's onwards) is essentially a vague version of Ayn Rand's pseudo-philosophy of Objectivism, which is über-individualism and is extremely pro-capitalism.
I found this pretty funny. "uber-individualism" I'm not really sure how it could be anymore individualism. The individual is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Communists(or whatever you call this anarchism) is the individual bending over for the will of society. Very individualistic.

[Comrade Rage]

I found this pretty funny. "uber-individualism" I'm not really sure how it could be anymore individualism. The individual is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Communists(or whatever you call this anarchism) is the individual bending over for the will of society. Very individualistic.Die in a fire, troll.


:)

[Dimentio]

I found this pretty funny. "uber-individualism" I'm not really sure how it could be anymore individualism. The individual is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Communists(or whatever you call this anarchism) is the individual bending over for the will of society. Very individualistic.

If the individual choses to be a communist then? ^^

[Dystisis]

People here need to take a chill pill... God damn, (no pun) stop thinking everything is established and known, and you happen to be the holder of said knowledge. That is what being furious over an internet board implies, it is terribly ignorant. I know you won't realize this reading it, but you will eventually...

Personal religion to me is more aligned to philosophy and physics than it is to organized religion. Organized religion is about lies, fiction created long ago by the ruling class. Whereas personal beliefs are your own gathered throughout your life concerning the darker (darker as in rarely shed light upon) subjects that are rarely covered in media or even in science.

Satanism has so many branches and interpretations that it is really incomprehensible. More often than not, though, if a person calls him/herself a satanist, he/she is a dumbass who listens to really crappy music and doesn't know how hypocritical it is to confine yourself to the Christian tradition by calling yourself by the name of the "villian" in that fairytale whilst still being "anti-christianity"... Satanism is sometimes linked to esotericism or occult gnocisism though, which then involves ancient spiritual thought more than 2000 years old, it is a different matter all together.

[Jazzratt]

Satanism is sometimes linked to esotericism or occult gnocisism though, which then involves ancient spiritual thought more than 2000 years old, it is a different matter all together.

Ancient bullshit is still bullshit.

[Dystisis]

Ancient bullshit is still bullshit.
Quite right..? Now show me your point, if you have one.

[Marsella]

Personal religion to me is more aligned to philosophy and physics than it is to organized religion.

Religion has nothing to do with physics!

[Jazzratt]

Quite right..? Now show me your point, if you have one.

You mentioned that certain esoteric sects of satanism are linked to 200 year old bullshit in a way that implied this made them somehow more respectable than the "rebellious youth" flavour.



Religion has nothing to do with physics!

Actually I would say that it does, as it makes an empirical claim about the nature of the universe which necessarily involve either violating or adding to the "laws" of physics.

[Dystisis]

Religion has nothing to do with physics!
I'll agree the tales behind organized religion has nothing to do with physics.

This is of course what one thinks of when one imagines religion today... the result of crusades, oppression and war on knowledge.

Anyways, there are schools of thought (sometimes referred to as religion, when the term had a different meaning) that are more inclined towards scientific thought... often times disguised in allegory. As examples, the people who first discovered the mathematical systems and theorems believed them to be applicable philosophically (as everything can be reduced or elevated to mathematics or numbers). In a way it is a form of athiesm and rather a scientific school than a religious one. There has been large groups of people believing in this, amongst whom that has been denounced as heretics (for having a much more rational and scientific view of nature than the catholic church).

So yes, in a way religion does not have much to do with physics (or science at all) even if it wants to. Well spotted!


You mentioned that certain esoteric sects of satanism are linked to 200 year old bullshit in a way that implied this made them somehow more respectable than the "rebellious youth" flavour.
First off, it was 2000 years. It is quite an important distinction (more than 2000 years means pre-Jesu-garbage). I am in no way associated with satanism, but I do hold the philosophical thoughts like those of the ancient greeks to be of more worth than those of the corrupt, tyrannical catholic church.

[Lenin II]

As far as I'll see, it is an elitist and anti-egalitarian philosophy with mystical-idealist overtunes. Yet it is more progressive than christianity in my opinion.
Yes, I used to be a LaVeyan Satanist myself, and everything that has been said so far is true. That philosophy is not compatible with leftist politics. In fact, it is extremely right-wing. I think perhaps our banned friend comes from an organization such as this one: http://www.geocities.com/satanicreds/

A splinter group from the Satanic Church that seeks to blend two seperate philosophies. But he is no true "Satanist," because he still believes in God. Odd, because those philosophies are atheist by definition.

[palotin]

Do you take a materialist interpretation of Satanism or one that worships the horny dude as a primordial nature deity? As for the question of equality, in what way don't you believe in it? If you don't believe in moral equality, why take it as a regulative principle to treat everyone equally? Is it because communism is 'inevitable'? Not trying to criticize you, just to prompt a rephrasing that might help you clarify your thoughts. Personally, I'd have no problem with Satanists in a radical left-wing movement. If you believe in some sort of hierarchy, even if it's not to be acted on 'publicly', then you aren't likely to try to convert me or others. That kind of coexistence is no more problematic than my buddy who thinks he's better than me because he knows more about sci-fi novels than I.

[Encrypted Soldier]

Satanism is the same kind of old rehashed bullshit like Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, Paganism, Heathenism, Zoroastrianism, and other religions no one gives a flying fuck about.

Religion is a pointless, irrational, illogical, and unreasonable being that should not exist and only hinders humanity.

From a socialist and communist standpoint, religion is simply another tool that divides the working class.

[Dros]

Religion is a pointless, irrational, illogical, and unreasonable being that should not exist and only hinders humanity.

From a socialist and communist standpoint, religion is simply another tool that divides the working class.

It's good to see that there is another person on this board willing to take a stand on this issue!

:D

[Bandito]

Oh,come on people....
Satanism?
mystic?
rituals?
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