SO?

[Davie zepeda]

What about the Obama What do you think he is ?

[RedAnarchist]

I don't think you'll find anyone here whos totally in support of him or anything, although its possible that quite a few here would prefer him as American president than the other other candidates.

[Holden Caulfield]

the respect and admiration of Obama amongst a lot of my left-leaning college tutors just shows that even intelligent people are willling to ass kiss america, make a big deal out of skin colour, and support a man who is just as in favour of building a wall along the Mexican border as the current their War Lord

but if i had no other choice i'ld want Obama in office rather than say McCain, Romney etc, by merit of being lesser of two evils, and slightly better for the American people

[Sleeping Dog]

Obama - Stereo typical person of mixed racial genetics raised by "liberal Caucasian" maternal grandparents after Negro father failed to remain in committed relationship. Just what would you expect?

[RedAnarchist]

Obama - Stereo typical person of mixed racial genetics raised by "liberal Caucasian" maternal grandparents after Negro father failed to remain in committed relationship. Just what would you expect?

You had better be joking, drunk or high:ohmy:

[KC]

but if i had no other choice i'ld want Obama in office rather than say McCain, Romney etc, by merit of being lesser of two evils, and slightly better for the American people

How, exactly? You do realize that his "pull the troops out now" rhetoric is just that, right?

[Clarksist]

Umm... seeing as there is literally zero legitimate evidence that US elections aren't rigged, and that it really doesn't matter because elected officials control nothing in the US... I'm gonna say that it is pointless to wonder.

Obama as a figure head will be the same as Bush and Clinton and Bush and Reagan, and so on and so forth.

[Marsella]

What about the Obama What do you think he is ?

I believe the term is useless.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Of course Obama would be better than any of the others, but most of us here don't really think that reformist politics can make any worthwhile changes.

[Holden Caulfield]

How, exactly? You do realize that his "pull the troops out now" rhetoric is just that, right?

yeah but the fact he lies about it makes me think he might realise he is wrong deep deep down,

i couldn't see McCain following any sort of anti-military line at all,

im just saying the (only just) lesser of two evils

[Comrade Rage]

He is better than the turdpile McCain.

[Holden Caulfield]

exactly,
they are all equally shit, but are are more equally shit than others

[F9]

everyone may showing good before their election put after they voted they all becoming fucking imperialists motherfuckers with their only thought in mind make US rich and bigger! :star:

[Luís Henrique]

Umm... seeing as there is literally zero legitimate evidence that US elections aren't rigged, and that it really doesn't matter because elected officials control nothing in the US...

If they don't matter, why would anyone care to rig them?

Luís Henrique

[Pawn Power]

Obama is homophobe. here you go:

"I'm a Christian. And so, although I try not to have my religious beliefs dominate or determine my political views on this issue, I do believe that tradition, and my religious beliefs say that marriage is something sanctified between a man and a woman."
-Obama

[Bright Banana Beard]

I going to stand on unpopular stance. I going to vote for Obama to pissed off the fascist and the Nazis. I know that he is a bourgeois. Once Obama elected, it reinforce the ideas that the white nationalism is so fucking weak, dumb shit, and retard and make people lean to the left side.

[Colonello Buendia]

Obama is simply the lesser of the evils who have a chance of winning but even if I was an American I wouldn't vote for him

[Sleeping Dog]

You had better be joking, drunk or high:ohmy:Why? That's the short truth Obama is a Chicago Money (organized crime) candidate. I intend to vote for Brian Moore of Florida for president and Stewart Alexander of California for vice-president.

In 1968 my write-in while recuperating in Walter Reed Military Hospital was "Daffy Duck" and at least I'll be casting a vote for honest in the United Fascist States of Amerika! :ohmy:

[RedAnarchist]

Why? That's the short truth Obama is a Chicago Money (organized crime) candidate. I intend to vote for Brian Moore of Florida for president and Stewart Alexander of California for vice-president.

In 1968 my write-in while recuperating in Walter Reed Military Hospital was "Daffy Duck" and at least I'll be casting a vote for honest in the United Fascist States of Amerika! :ohmy:


Obama - Stereo typical person of mixed racial genetics raised by "liberal Caucasian" maternal grandparents after Negro father failed to remain in committed relationship. Just what would you expect?

This makes you sound like a Stormfronter - "Typical black father gets a white woman pregnant then does a runner".

[Sleeping Dog]

This makes you sound like a Stormfronter - "Typical black father gets a white woman pregnant then does a runner".It wasn't meant to say that's a black trait. It does say what a typical "liberal" is and that isn't what this forum is suppose to be about.

[RedAnarchist]

Fine, but whats with the use of the word "Negro"? Little outdated, don't you think?

[chimx]

Yes, it is.

[Jimmie Higgins]

There are two Obamas. There's the real Obama who is a post-civil-rights black Democrat who has tried to keep racial issues out of the election except in the most superficial and middle-class way possible; he has said that troops should remain in Iraq as peace-keepers and his "honorable withdrawal" rhetoric sounds like he's modeling his campagn after Nixon; he is friendly to the DLC and Joe Liberman was his mentor in the senate; he has made appeals to his "non-partisan-ness" by evoking Ronald Regan and has Republicans talking about him favorably on his campaign commercials in California.

On the other hand there is the Oboma as he is seen in popular consiousness. People really do see him as the possibility for "change" - especially after the Clintons have been shown working their dirty political machine and using racism in the primary. It's partially true that "just having an black president" will change things. It won't change things practically, but it will ideologically smash the idea that most white workers support racism and white supremacy when huge chunks of people in the south and midwest vote for him. Basically, Oboma, I think will raise people's hopes as a symbol, but he will not make any real change as a politician.

I think radicals should be clear that electoral change is not ultimately bring liberation and electoral change through the 2 corporate parties is not even likely to bring reforms. But at the same time, we should see people hoping for "change" and to see a black or female President as a positive step in our direction and away from pessimism and cynicism (like when people voted for Kerry because they thought they had to appeal to pro-war conservatives in order to get rid of George Bush). Meeting someone who is excited about a black or female president is an opening to talk about racism and sexism in US society and how a President isn't going to change that and what to ultimately do to fight these and other opressions.

[Sleeping Dog]

My use of the term "Negro" is intentionally dated. I am representative of an extreme microcosm. While I was attending the elementary school third grade, Cassius Clay's changing his name was was devastating to me. He was my hero and I like to believe that just like myself (a little Caucasian brat in a predominately "black neighborhood) he was stand up and proud.

Afro-American to me rings of born in African ( ancestor-wise too fast to get caught or damn mean enough to be a participant in slaving). A Blondie (big time prick) Afrikaner who immigrates to USA is an "Afro-American" . Hell Muslims were the first to engage in "Commercial Slave Trade" (I didn't know that in the Third Grade). What I admired then and do know is the pride to rise through the travails of slavery and preserver - " a Black American".

Go ahead take a deep toke of PC opiate and criticize me!