Private property

[spartan]

So i heard that private property did exist in the USSR on a small scale, is this true?

I also heard that Mao reintroduced private property in China.

If Mao did indeed do this then all i can ask is why?

I am not very well read up on these issues, and even research hasnt given me any conclusive results, so i thought that i would take my chances in the "Learning" section.

[Demogorgon]

So i heard that private property did exist in the USSR on a small scale, is this true?

Yes, there were a lot of relatively independent small firms in the Soviet Union.

[#FF0000]

If I remember correctly, the USSR would give cash incentives to businesses and practices that focused on specialized things that were in demand and unusually difficult to do.

[Morpheus]

It changed depending on the time period. During the New Economic Policy in the '20s there was lots of private property, and a market. Then the five year plans started and state property took over. Later the state allowed people to have small plots of land they could grow food in.

[spartan]

It changed depending on the time period. During the New Economic Policy in the '20s there was lots of private property, and a market. Then the five year plans started and state property took over. Later the state allowed people to have small plots of land they could grow food in.

Yeah i found out that in the 60's an assault rifle was developed by a German in the USSR, and it was completly a private venture on his part funded by individuals (Usually higher ups in the military, as they had more money than the workers, and the thing that they were funding was a weapon).

[Dr Mindbender]

Wouldnt surprise me. There is a large section of the kaesong province in the DPRK near the DMZ that has been leased out to a private company which employs north koreans.

[proleterian fist]

Well I don't know exactly how was that in U.S.S.R or in People's Republic of China but in a socalist regime,private property should have been aboulished shouldn't it?

[spartan]

Well I don't know exactly how was that in U.S.S.R or in People's Republic of China but in a socalist regime,private property should have been aboulished shouldn't it?

Well thats exactly what i thought as well.

IMO the existence of private property, no matter how small, shows that the USSR wasnt a Socialist state in reality.

Would the existence of private property in the USSR, be evidence of State Capitalism?

[proleterian fist]

Hi spartan!
I definetely agree with you.;)
There are some contradictions in Soviet Russia regime.It is impossible to criticize after Lenin's death.
Stalin has followed a different way than usual one.Though he saved the world Hittler trouble.
Therefore I like Che style communism rather than Soviet one.:cool:

[gilhyle]

Well I don't know exactly how was that in U.S.S.R or in People's Republic of China but in a socalist regime,private property should have been aboulished shouldn't it?

No.

A socialist Society does not just come into existence, it must be built over time. Consequently, the existence of private property within limits set by a workers state can be an intrinsic part of using the power of the state to build a socialist society.

[INDK]

Therefore I like Che style communism rather than Soviet one.

I think I've read somewhere Che was openly supportive of Stalin.

[Morpheus]

Would the existence of private property in the USSR, be evidence of State Capitalism?

No, it's evidence of private capitalism.


A socialist Society does not just come into existence, it must be built over time. Consequently, the existence of private property within limits set by a workers state can be an intrinsic part of using the power of the state to build a socialist society.

Regardless of whatever justifications you offer, it's still not socialism until private property is eliminated. Is private property hasn't been eliminated them socialism hasn't been built.

[Luís Henrique]

Well I don't know exactly how was that in U.S.S.R or in People's Republic of China but in a socalist regime,private property should have been aboulished shouldn't it?

What is "private property", the material relationship in which some human beings effectively control the means of productions as individual capitals - or just the juridical form of such relationship?

Luís Henrique

[Luís Henrique]

Regardless of whatever justifications you offer, it's still not socialism until private property is eliminated. Is private property hasn't been eliminated them socialism hasn't been built.

In this case, what would be the difference between socialism and communism?

Luís Henrique

[proleterian fist]

I think I've read somewhere Che was openly supportive of Stalin.

Well Che always criticised Soviets in order to they had abused to weapons subject and missiles;)

[Comrade Wolfie's Very Nearly Banned Adventures]

I think stalin was a frenchman

[RedAnarchist]

I think stalin was a frenchman

Actually he was Georgian, but what was the point of your post?