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Labor Shall Rule
26th January 2008, 17:16
A lot of people tout out against 'worker's control' for its inability to address the material needs of consumers as a whole, and in separate forums, its been summed up by reactionaries as an "impossible pipe-dream" that would be "chaotic" if ever put into practice.

With new forms of work and communication however, its easier and quicker to centralize wants, needs, and supply for the long-term and short-term than it was just five decades ago.

In Chile, Allende's brief socialist administration set-up a computer system to coordinate planning and worker activity within the factories.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Cybersyn

It allowed the regime to outlast the bosses' strike through their network of analog computers. But due to the technological constraints of 1973, this was only available to a central point.

The events in Chile prove that with a digital network, information and communication could be available to every worker or factory committee within seconds, ensuring that the management of the economic apparatus would be both constructive and stable.

Andres Marcos
26th January 2008, 17:31
But where should a socialist nation get this technology? If you are talking about poorer socialist nations like Cuba or the DPRK they would have to rely on Capitalists for the creation of such technology, and since we know that cappies would only do so with high payments for such or opened trade deals. Also it should be noted that Allende's economy was still a bad example for this, there was still unemployment(although lower than before), a creation of a black market for some commodities(which the U.S. used for propaganda war), and he kept the bourgeois class intact(which is why Democratic Socialism is no good) which I fully blame for the shortcomings and who fully supported fascist General Pinochet.

Psy
26th January 2008, 18:18
But where should a socialist nation get this technology? If you are talking about poorer socialist nations like Cuba or the DPRK they would have to rely on Capitalists for the creation of such technology, and since we know that cappies would only do so with high payments for such or opened trade deals. Also it should be noted that Allende's economy was still a bad example for this, there was still unemployment(although lower than before), a creation of a black market for some commodities(which the U.S. used for propaganda war), and he kept the bourgeois class intact(which is why Democratic Socialism is no good) which I fully blame for the shortcomings and who fully supported fascist General Pinochet.

Today technology is cheap, today people throw out computers with far more processing power the central mainframe used in Chile's Cybersyn. Hell cellphones now have more processing then mainframes even in the US at the time.

Labor Shall Rule
26th January 2008, 18:31
Cuba and North Korea import western capitalist technology — if they didn't, their entire medical infrastructure and economy would most likely collapse.