Trotskyist international organizations

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Which is the largest Trotskyist international organization? Is it the Committee for a Worker's International (http://www.worldsocialist-cwi.org/)? Anyone know?

[Ian]

Yes, I'd say CWI is the largest international trotskyist grouping although it is hard to say because many groups don't disclose their membership... Why do you ask?

[MiNdGaMe]

Does anyone have the Sparticists website?

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Quote: from MiNdGaMe on 7:29 am on April 24, 2003
Does anyone have the Sparticists website?http://www.spartacist.org/

[thursday night]

The Sparticists are as counterrevolutionary as they come.

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Quote: from thursday night on 4:44 pm on April 24, 2003
The Sparticists are as counterrevolutionary as they come.What do you mean by that?

I knew a guy online that was a Spartacist and he was a very intelligent Marxist, one of the best posters I've seen online.

[nz revolution]

Indeed they are. Like many groups set up in Trotskys name.

They were once quite good, now shite...

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Quote: from nz revolution on 6:18 pm on April 24, 2003
Indeed they are. Like many groups set up in Trotskys name.

They were once quite good, now shite...What is wrong with them ideologically, are they more Leninist now? I know a lot of the Trotskyist parties here in the US have become more ideologically Leninist over time. Is that what you comrades mean?

[nz revolution]

Leninist?

They should by more revolutionary and not concentrate on selling their newspapers.

Do you know the SWP in the US?

They have millions and millions of dollars, they sold their old HQ in NY for 20million, with that you could arm every fuckin worker in the country, but oh no. still selling their paper, doing FUCK ALL!

[Sensitive]

Yep... but the SWP isn't a Trotskyist party anymore. They say Cuba should be a model for all workers.

Anyway, SWP is a tiny little party, just like Workers World.

[Kez]

The CWI really isnt that big, and when it was split in the early 90's it took the rump of the grroup and only succeeded in gaining more member in France and in the UK with a 50/50 split in Greece

Heres a quote:
"The expulsion of the Opposition inevitably led to a split in the tendency in Britain and internationally. In Britain the Opposition had the support of several hundred mainly experienced cadres and trade union activists. The situation was far more favourable in the international. At the time of the split, the Opposition had the majority in the CWI. The Spanish, Italian, Belgian, Danish, Cypriot, Mexican, Argentinean and Pakistani organisations supported us. The Greeks were evenly divided, but all the worker comrades supported us [socialist appeal, International Marxist Tendency] . We had significant minorities in Sweden and Germany. In Ireland, the USA and Sri Lanka there was no debate and we were effectively prevented from putting our case. The French section had already been split by Taaffe's manoeuvres - as had the Irish, as we discovered later - the expelled comrades joined the Opposition. If we exclude Britain, this means that we almost certainly had the majority of the international tendency on our side."

Comrade Kamo

[Comrade Marcel]

People in Spartacist are fucking insain.

all they do is go around denouncing other people on the left, disrupt meetings, & sell their crappy newspapers.

They have a extremely dogmatic line, & no other members of the left want to have anything to do with them because of their sectarianism.

Their members also have an extreme lack of Social skills that are normal functions for most human beings.

My advice is stay away!

[stonerboi]

Although I am not a member of the Spartacus League, I will defend their so called 'sectarianism', which is actually a rather valid set critisisms of many so the called marxist parties. Unlike the SWP (UK), SP, Workers Power, they the Spartacus League does not sell out its socialist principles in order to appeal to the 'broadest front of support' as the likes of the SWP do. The other parties are no longer revolutionary and are just interested in selling their papers. The SWP makes alliances with islamic fundamentalists such as MAB and supported the CIA-backed Islamisists in Afghanistan in the 80s. The likes of the SWP,SP,WP are all reformists who want to 'reclaim' the Labour Party (UK), yet they do not understand that the labour party was never a workers party but a capitalist party with a w/c base. The SWP is more social-democratic than socialist and it is even fair to say that the green party is more left wing than the SWP. The Spartacus League are the only trotskyist group in Britain which are revolutionary, socialist, marxist and which always campiagn agianst capitalism itself rather than the SWP line of jumping on any popular bandwagon like the antiwar movement and just shouting slogans and not even attempting to put a sociailist perspective to stopping the war.

[il Commy]

If I remember correctly "In Defence of Marxism" belongs to a trotzkyst internartional movment, something about restoration of the fourth international. And if not, it has links to "Youth for International Socialism" and trotzkyst parties around the world.

http://www.marxist.com/

[il Commy]

Yes, the movment who operates marxist.com is called "The Committee for a Marxist International (CMI)".

[Blackberry]

Quote: from Comrade Marcel on 10:33 pm on April 28, 2003
People in Spartacist are fucking insain.

all they do is go around denouncing other people on the left, disrupt meetings, & sell their crappy newspapers.

They have a extremely dogmatic line, & no other members of the left want to have anything to do with them because of their sectarianism.

Their members also have an extreme lack of Social skills that are normal functions for most human beings.

My advice is stay away!


That's an extremely accurate description, from what I've observed in Australia.

[Kez]

Sparts are very bad in terms of how they operate, ie very brute, crude stategies, fuckin off anyone who has a different opinion. this isnt the case in the CMI (to which i am a member of in the british section) where discussion within party and with the mass institutions is seen as vital and with this inner party deemocracy. This is not the case with the SP or SWP as has already been pointed out

[il Commy]

"this isnt the case in the CMI (to which i am a member of in the british section) where discussion within party and with the mass institutions is seen as vital and with this inner party deemocracy."

It's funny to take what you say and use it on the israeli section of the CMI. They were about 10 people and than they had a 'split' and some members left. I imagine them forming a "democratic procedure" and party institutions with this amount of people :wink:

But actually CMI is a pretty good international movment and you have a great website. I would consider joining the israeli section ('Socialist Workers League') if I hadn't disagreed with their thesis on the national question here.

[Kez]

if theyre anything like the british section, im sure you can go have a discussion and put your arguments forward and see what they think.

[il Commy]

It's not that they're not civilized people, I had debates with their main activist several times on the internet. It's just that they're locked on thesis about the national question which were true 55 years ago, but because of the formation of Israel are not true today. You don't have to agree with everybody, so I just joined an organization which is much closer to my views (Israeli Communist Youth League).