(U.S.) Greens now switching over to Ron Paul..

[R_P_A_S]

I've got a few Green Party "friends" on MySpace and lately this is the kind of bulletins they been posting. I find it very sad and I want you guys' take on it.

ahhhh.. Liberals.. to laugh for!:D


in America if youre not going to vote?
some of you fellow Californian's got my text message today...but i dont have over 700 people in my phone book so here is another reminder.

California has a closed ballot, which means in order to vote for a certain candidate, you have to be registered in the same party as your candidate.

for example, if you are part of the Green party and would like to vote for RON PAUL, you would need to reregister as a Republican to do so. dont freak out or feel like you are a traitor, its just the primaries, and in the primaries, there is nothing in a name, and if you are really bugged about it you can change it back on February 6th!
However, TODAY is the LAST day to register under a different party in order to vote on Feb. 5th! so, you have until 5 pm today to stop by a post office, library, or anywhere that has a voter registration form to change it. basically, if you plan on voting for anyone outside of your party, you should know who you want to vote for by today.

also, ATTN INDEPENDENT VOTERS: a few people have told me that they dont need to change parties becaue they are listed as "independent". however, im sure most of you didnt realize that just because the word independent is in the title, does not mean you are an independent voter. it means you are a member of The Independent Party! so, unfortunately, you are going to have to change your status as well.

sometimes they make it inconvenient, but who cares if it ensures a good political platform?

seriously, take off work for an hour, in a sense the primaries are more important that general elections.

have a great day!

[R_P_A_S]

Up Up!:D

[Tatarin]

Do they know that Ron Paul don't even have the environment on his mind?

[bootleg42]

It's a problem with a lot of people.....they just don't know politics.

They don't know that Paul is right-wing and that his domestic policies will hurt poor people in the United States. They just hear him use terms that we leftists would be using like "American empire" and "U.S. imperialism" and "get out of Iraq" and they fall for him. Plus all the online bots the right-wing libertarians got did some sort of job to convince some of the spoiled middle class.

Paul's not a threat anymore. When those newsletters came out showing that either he or people he associates with are really ethnocentric, anti inner city and semi-racist, it put him in a position where he could never win.

[R_P_A_S]

there has been some really good pieces written by some socialist sites criticizing Ron Paul, Video and all... I've showed them to them but they just don't seem to care. Im confused.

What are Ron Paul's policies that will hurt the U.S.?

[SouthernBelle82]

His stance on corporations for one. He believes they should be able to do whatever the hell they want from polluting our rivers and thus drinking water to sending jobs over seas. He's also not very worker friendly. All you have to do is look at his record yourself at http://www.ontheissues.org

[Sleeping Dog]

Yes the "dumbing down of Amerika" is alive and doing ...well?

[Zurdito]

Ron who?

[Zeus the Moose]

Unfortunately, I don't think people should write off Paul and his potential effects, despite the media thrashing that he's been put through. While Paul himself is very unlikely to get elected, there's a good chance he will remain in congress, and given the amount of support he's been able to acquire, it's entirely possible that Paul supporters will be elected (or re-elected in some cases) to various legislatures. In my view, this would be a greater strategic victory for the Ron Paul movement than a Paul administration, since it would mean that his supporters can act through legislatures to try to enact laws consistent with the Ron Paul reaction.

[R_P_A_S]

His stance on corporations for one. He believes they should be able to do whatever the hell they want from polluting our rivers and thus drinking water to sending jobs over seas. He's also not very worker friendly. All you have to do is look at his record yourself at http://www.ontheissues.org

i must be blind i saw nothing under corporations or the environment. at least nothing crazy

[Sleeping Dog]

Ron Paul: The New Charles Lindbergh? (http://www.waxingamerica.com/2007/11/ron-paul-the-ne.html)

[R_P_A_S]

Ron Paul: The New Charles Lindbergh? (http://www.waxingamerica.com/2007/11/ron-paul-the-ne.html)

check out this one..

http://www.isreview.org/issues/57/rep-ronpaul.shtml

[Keyser]

Just another example of the anti-working class politics of the Green Party and it's members.

Green parties and their members by their very nature and composition do not pose a challange to the capitalist system, either intentionally or unintentionally.

Voting Green is no different to voting Democrat or Republican, they all serve the same capitalist ruling class and they serve to keep them in power and the working class out of power.

[RevSouth]

Unfortunately, I don't think people should write off Paul and his potential effects, despite the media thrashing that he's been put through. While Paul himself is very unlikely to get elected, there's a good chance he will remain in congress, and given the amount of support he's been able to acquire, it's entirely possible that Paul supporters will be elected (or re-elected in some cases) to various legislatures. In my view, this would be a greater strategic victory for the Ron Paul movement than a Paul administration, since it would mean that his supporters can act through legislatures to try to enact laws consistent with the Ron Paul reaction.
How could anything be a greater victory for Paul than actually getting elected?

[Kwisatz Haderach]

Unfortunately, I don't think people should write off Paul and his potential effects, despite the media thrashing that he's been put through. While Paul himself is very unlikely to get elected, there's a good chance he will remain in congress, and given the amount of support he's been able to acquire, it's entirely possible that Paul supporters will be elected (or re-elected in some cases) to various legislatures. In my view, this would be a greater strategic victory for the Ron Paul movement than a Paul administration, since it would mean that his supporters can act through legislatures to try to enact laws consistent with the Ron Paul reaction.
Not quite. Ron Paul's voter base is almost entirely based on his foreign policy views - it is overwhelmingly composed of anti-war people who don't know what kind of domestic policies he actually supports. If Ron Paul or his henchmen are forced to act only through state and federal legislatures, they will no longer be able to hide their views on domestic policies and will therefore lose most of their voters.

[bombeverything]

there has been some really good pieces written by some socialist sites criticizing Ron Paul, Video and all... I've showed them to them but they just don't seem to care. Im confused.

What are Ron Paul's policies that will hurt the U.S.?


He is a free market nut and his politics is hard right. He is a conservative who has links with white supremacists. Cutting social spending (as he intends to do) would obviously hurt poor and working people in the US. Why would anyone here think he is different to any other conservative? Because of his bourgeois liberalism?

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

The SEP did a fairly good job of dissecting this sort of thing: Anti-war "Lefts" embrace ultra-right Republican candidate Ron Paul

[Jimmie Higgins]

It's not just the Green party (who officially are very opposed to Ron Paul - the party has many problems, but supporting Ron Paul isn't one). So it's really rank and file Greens who are turning to Ron Paul along with other liberals and even anti-imperialist progressives. Why?

1. The US left is in free-fall since 2004 and many independent progressives fell into supporting John Kerry.

The official anti-war movement told people to "go-home" and vote Democrat; the Democrats won control of Congress and continued the war. Since the non-Democratic left has already lost credibility and effectiveness by supporting Kerry and now can not get it together to actually present an electoral anti-war alternative to the Democrats, this has opened the door to someone like Ron Paul taking the banner of the anti-war "alternative".

2. Without an anti-war movement to relate to and offer it's own alternative, many on the left are grasping for straws and have gone into single-issue voting; effectively saying that Ron Paul's anti-working class and pro-racist ideas are less important than his opposition to the war. So I guess if you're poor and black and against the war, you just don't matter to US progressives.

[PRC-UTE]

the greens are basically reactionaries, anyway. they're just populists, so this is not surprising at all.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

Right. We have to look at things in terms of class, as always, and recognize that the Green Party is nothing more than a small time capitalist party.

[thehardestpart]

that sherry wolf article, basically says everything you need to know about paul. great link RPAS.

[R_P_A_S]

that sherry wolf article, basically says everything you need to know about paul. great link RPAS.

yeah.. but lots of this green liberals dismiss Paul's racism and "jokes".. yeah OK! ;):rolleyes:

[Death of a Nation]

Ron Paul is selling himself via the anti-war stance he has. It is modern-day third positionism. The only reason why his crowd is against the war is because they hate Jews and see the war as a war for Israel.

[SouthernBelle82]

So true. Whenever I talk to someone about Paul's record and they don't believe that they claim I'm a liar or just don't know him or whatever. Duh it's called a voting record. Every politician has one whether city council or congress. The fact the green's are supporting Ron Paul either shows they are very ignorant or sellouts.


It's a problem with a lot of people.....they just don't know politics.

They don't know that Paul is right-wing and that his domestic policies will hurt poor people in the United States. They just hear him use terms that we leftists would be using like "American empire" and "U.S. imperialism" and "get out of Iraq" and they fall for him. Plus all the online bots the right-wing libertarians got did some sort of job to convince some of the spoiled middle class.

Paul's not a threat anymore. When those newsletters came out showing that either he or people he associates with are really ethnocentric, anti inner city and semi-racist, it put him in a position where he could never win.

[SouthernBelle82]

Well that's also when you come in to things he's said. Just do a google search.


i must be blind i saw nothing under corporations or the environment. at least nothing crazy

[SouthernBelle82]

I think it's unfair to say someone hates someone else. Especially without talking to them about it first. What about you? Are you against the war? If so is it because you don't like the Jews? :rolleyes:


Ron Paul is selling himself via the anti-war stance he has. It is modern-day third positionism. The only reason why his crowd is against the war is because they hate Jews and see the war as a war for Israel.

[Sleeping Dog]

The "Cult de Paul" is as unlikely collection of mental deficients as to ever disgrace the United States political landscape. Probably the only more ludicrous utterance than those of Dr. Ron Paul is that of "Death of a Nation"
Ron Paul is selling himself via the anti-war stance he has. It is modern-day third positionism. The only reason why his crowd is against the war is because they hate Jews and see the war as a war for Israel.

[Refugee from Earth]

The "Cult de Paul" is as unlikely collection of mental deficients as to ever disgrace the United States political landscape. Probably the only more ludicrous utterance than those of Dr. Ron Paul is that of "Death of a Nation"

You are joking. Dr Ron Paul? Dr? That is depressing.

[Zeus the Moose]

Paul's an OB-GYN, as is his wife. The two probably delivered half the babies in his congressional district.

[Comrade Rage]

These guys are probably just going to do this for the primary election, so that this nutter wins the Repubican nomination but loses the general election in November.

[Faux Real]

I wouldn't call a myspace bulletin evidence of the GP supporters voting for Ron Paul. Especially here in California, where Cynthia McKinney and Ralph Nader still have a large base of support within the Green party. Most left-wing (maybe just from the Bay) Californians I know or hear from hold criticisms of capitalism and would be quick to acknowledge Ron Paul's rampant laissez-fare ideology as a destructive force if allowed to run the country.

But ya, you have strange friends. :p