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BobKKKindle$
20th January 2008, 02:17
I briefly mentioned this in a thread in the discrimination forum, but it hasn't yet been dealt with, and I think it's an important issue. The concept of the Labour Aristocracy is a cause of much disagreement amongst socialists, and in the past I have regarded the concept as something used by some Maoists to justify their contempt for white workers in the developed world and of little theoretical value or practical relevance. The main argument of the theory, as I understand it, is that a small section of the working class in the developed states is granted concessions and a share of the super-profits generated through imperialism, such that they become opposed to revolutionary change. The exact size of this section is, again, a subject of debate; MIM takes the extreme view and argues that every white worker is part of the Labour Aristocracy in the oppressor nations. I have always thought that the Labour Aristocracy does not exist at all. However, it does appear that there is something resembling a labour aristocracy in the oppressor nations (based on empirical evidence) in the form of agricultural producers, which can comprise up to 10% of the working population in some states. At this point I'll switch to my original post:

I've been thinking about the Labour Aristocracy in the Oppressor Nations and have come to the conclusion that the interests of agricultural producers may be in conflict with the interests of peasants in the developing world, such that agricultural producers in the developed world have an interest in maintaining the status quo and would support the use of armed force against revolutions in the oppressed nations. My reasoning is thus; The system of agricultural subsidies and restrictions on the import of foreign foodstuffs (known as the Common Agricultural Policy in the European Union) allows agricultural producers to retain their traditional existence, whilst at the same time denies peasants in the oppressed nations an export market for their goods and, when surplus production is 'dumped', drives down domestic prices, resulting in a loss of income. Were it not for this system, agricultural producers would be unable to withstand the market competition of peasants in the oppressed nations, who are able to produce foodstuffs at a lower cost, and so would eventually become part of the proletariat.

Thus it would appear there is an antagonistic relationship between these two groups. I've never thought about this before now...

If this analysis is correct, should we argue for the elimination of existing agricultural policies, knowing this would undermine the conditions of agricultural producers and possibly alienate this group from Socialist politics? Is there anyone that denies the existence of an antagonistic relationship - have I just analysed this incorrectly?

chimx
20th January 2008, 03:04
Is American agriculture still run on an individual family basis? I had thought that a significant portion of agricultural land has slowly been bought up by large agro-businesses over the years -- especially with the rise of industrial farming techniques since the 1950s, and that this has really hurt family farms.

BobKKKindle$
20th January 2008, 03:42
Is American agriculture still run on an individual family basis? I had thought that a significant portion of agricultural land has slowly been bought up by large agro-businesses over the years -- especially with the rise of industrial farming techniques since the 1950s, and that this has really hurt family farms.

I'm not sure about farming in the United States, but in the EU large agricultural firms and land owners tend to receive a disproportionately large proportion of subsidies. This article (http://www.oxfam.org/en/news/pressreleases2005/pr051212_cap) notes that


78% of the 5.2 million beneficiaries of CAP receive less than 5,000 euro a year (US$6,000)

However, it could still be argued that agricultural producers do derive benefits from the CAP, even if they are minimal, relative to the benefits received by large scale commercial farms, such that they would be opposed to the elimination or reform of the policy.

Die Neue Zeit
20th January 2008, 04:16
The system of agricultural subsidies and restrictions on the import of foreign foodstuffs (known as the Common Agricultural Policy in the European Union) allows agricultural producers to retain their traditional existence, whilst at the same time denies peasants in the oppressed nations an export market for their goods and, when surplus production is 'dumped', drives down domestic prices, resulting in a loss of income. Were it not for this system, agricultural producers would be unable to withstand the market competition of peasants in the oppressed nations, who are able to produce foodstuffs at a lower cost, and so would eventually become part of the proletariat.

Thus it would appear there is an antagonistic relationship between these two groups. I've never thought about this before now...

If this analysis is correct, should we argue for the elimination of existing agricultural policies, knowing this would undermine the conditions of agricultural producers and possibly alienate this group from Socialist politics? Is there anyone that denies the existence of an antagonistic relationship - have I just analysed this incorrectly?

Given my history analysis based on economies of scale (http://www.revleft.com/vb/kautsky-bolshevik-mistake-t59382/index.html) (hereafter referred to as "the Kautsky thread"), I'm all for dumping the subsidies.

Check out the US farming stats that I mentioned in that thread ("and in spite of the presence of so many family farms, increased efficiencies associated with industrial agriculture and negative profits for family farms are the key to implementing global sovkhozy").

Simply put, dumping the policies will further filter out the small family farms. However, the effects on the rural proletariat (proper farm workers) are unknown, given the superior efficiencies associated with industrial agriculture. They can range from an expansion of that workforce (as the big agro-businesses gobble up the land left behind by the former small family farm owners) to stagnation (crank up the farm worker productivity) to contraction (crank up the farm worker productivity even more).

chimx
20th January 2008, 17:37
If you haven't read the Omnivore's Dilemma, here is a fun comic synopsis of some of the book that covers some of the issues you are talking about, but also explains why small farmers are getting fucked by larger corporations in the long run anyway:

http://www.funkyafro.com/2007/pics/2007-03/2007-03-12-sm/Omnivore-02sm-A.gif
http://www.funkyafro.com/2007/pics/2007-03/2007-03-12-sm/Omnivore-02sm-B.gif
http://www.funkyafro.com/2007/pics/2007-03/2007-03-20-sm/Omnivore-03sm-a.gif
http://www.funkyafro.com/2007/pics/2007-03/2007-03-20-sm/Omnivore-03sm-b.gif
http://www.funkyafro.com/2007/pics/2007-03/2007-03-27-sm/Omnivore-04a.gif
http://www.funkyafro.com/2007/pics/2007-03/2007-03-27-sm/Omnivore-04b.gif

gilhyle
28th January 2008, 19:02
Just this point - they are not labour aristocrats since they own the land (and this is key to their psychology. They are characterised as a layer of owners of capital protected from the free operation of the market by the subsidies they achieve. What is striking about them is the low return on capital achieved, or to put it another way the manner in which state subsidy inflates the value of their assets. Farm land in most developed countries trades rarely but trades at hugely inflated prices when it does. Thus developed country farmers often sit on land assets worth millions of dollars while earning incomes far lower than similar assets would attain elsewhere.