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supernaltempest
19th January 2008, 08:22
Why do we exist now? Is a result of Marx's writing of "The Communist Manifesto"?
If so, let's say Marx never wrote it. Would the modern revolutionary left still exist?
Are we just an anomaly in the space-time continuum? Or is there a material reason for our existence?
VukBZ2005
19th January 2008, 09:17
Why do we exist now? Is a result of Marx's writing of "The Communist Manifesto"?
If so, let's say Marx never wrote it. Would the modern revolutionary left still exist?
Are we just an anomaly in the space-time continuum? Or is there a material reason for our existence?
I believe that we would still be in existence, even if Karl Marx and Fredrich Engles did not write and published the Manifesto of the Communist Party. The reason why I am stating this is because, if both Marx and Engles are correct, then, their process of how Capitalism develops would have produced a reaction that would have served as the basis for the development of a revolutionary praxis whose premise would be that, in order to put an end to the contradictions of Capitalism, Capitalism would have to be destroyed and replaced with a new society that is based on the common ownership of the means of production; something that can only be done by a working class revolution that would abolish all classes, including itself. The only major difference would be that other people, with different names, would have articulated the same concepts, ideas and viewpoints that these two important historical figures articulated.
kromando33
19th January 2008, 10:52
Why do we exist now? Is a result of Marx's writing of "The Communist Manifesto"?
If so, let's say Marx never wrote it. Would the modern revolutionary left still exist?
Are we just an anomaly in the space-time continuum? Or is there a material reason for our existence?
Marxism is simply looking at reality and making conclusions based on the material conditions relating to humanity, Marx simply looked at history in terms of class antagonism and struggle, and that the proletariat was the only progressive class; so a government by the proletariat (instead of the bourgeois) is indeed the best outcome for humanity generally, and that a classless society is something worth having.
Even if Marx was born surely someone else would have highlighted this reality, if not maybe in a different way.
Marxism is a science, it's not a religious dogma that fell out of the sky one day, it's simply looking at reality in terms of the differing material conditions of different groups (classes) of humans, and how those differences between the classes causes antagonism and revolution.
Comrade, if your feeling disheartened about the communist movement, maybe you better go and join a social-democratic party and conform to the establishment if it will sooth your ego.
BrokenHeart
19th January 2008, 12:38
In agreement with everyone saying leftist theory would still exist. Joeseph Dietzgen, whom was around the same time as Marx and Engels, came up with the theory of dialectical materialism independently of Mark, though later when he found Marx had already proposed it became a huge follower.
In all probability, leftist theory would still exist.
Why do we exist now, as supporters of working class revolution?
That's why.
Quite obviously capitalism is still dominant though, and the progress of the left in the "developed" world seems to be slowing more and more. "Why" we exist really is up to you. Kinda makes you feel worthless all the time though, or at least for me.
supernaltempest
19th January 2008, 23:32
Oh no, I'm not disheartened. Just curious about our existence. Sometimes history tend to create anomalies where things are ahead of their times or behind their times.
Wanted Man
20th January 2008, 10:03
Oh no, I'm not disheartened. Just curious about our existence. Sometimes history tend to create anomalies where things are ahead of their times or behind their times.
History is a conscious being with the power to create things?
Demogorgon
20th January 2008, 13:34
I believed what I did long before I read any Marx. It was more of a pleasant surprise simply to find what I was already thinking so coherently laid out (not to mention new insights I hadn't previously thought of)
Let's be clear, people don't believe what they do based on books or ideas or whatever. Such things can influence and help focus thinking, but ultimately socialist struggle is the upshot of class struggle which goes on regardless.
Incidentally, socialism predated Marx and there are plenty of Non-Marxist socialists, so I think we can be sure there would be a revolutionary left, even without Marx.
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