Mike Huckabee

[Organic Revolution]

Huckabee: Amend Consitution in "God's Standards"

Meanwhile, Mike Huckabee's religious views are coming under more scrutiny after he called for the Constitution to be re-written in "God's standards."

Mike Huckabee: "I have opponents in this race who do not want to change the Constitution. But I believe it's a lot easier to change the Constitution than it would be to change the word of the living God. And that's what we need to do is amend the Constitution so it's in God's standards, rather than trying to change God's standards so it lines up with some contemporary view of how we treat each other and how we treat the family."

Huckabee was speaking Monday in Michigan. On the Democratic side, Senators Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and former Senator John Edwards squared off in a debate last night in Nevada. Missing from the stage was Ohio Congressman Dennis Kucinich, who lost a last-minute legal fight with NBC over his inclusion. Kucinich had sued the network after it disinvited him from participating. He'll join us later in the broadcast.

Source: http://www.democracynow.org/2008/1/16/headlines#2

[spartan]

The American political arena is one scary place right now.

Honest to God do these people not understand that the goal of the founding fathers was to seperate church and state?

People proposing shit like this shouldnt be allowed to run for any kind of political office let alone the Presidency!

These are the same people who attack the Islamists with their religious laws, and yet these Christian fundamentalists are proposing exactly the same thing for their country!

[Geronimo Pratt]

Christian fascism is one the rise here in the U.S. The major problem with Christian dominionism and fundamentalism is that it always carries a baggage of other reactionary ideas along with the theocratic package. They have been gaining prominence in the political scene right next to the free-marketeers and U.S. hegemonic imperialists since the 80s. I'd read "Latin America, the United States, and the Rise of the New Imperialism" to see to the extent they play in imperialist thought and policy.

[jake williams]

Honest to God do these people not understand that the goal of the founding fathers was to seperate church and state?
Who gives a shit about the founders? They were 18th century slave-owning elitists. Are there not better moral/political/intellectual authorities? How is it even a question that we not bother appealing to them? It's obviously absurd, and harmful, that the U.S. Constitution be amended to hold to any sort of "God's law". This occurs totally irrespective of what a small group of armed revolutionaries who didn't want to pay taxes may or may not have thought.

I'm sorry, I just get really sick and tired of the idea that it's a meaningful argument to say what such and such person "intended" - in particular those people, but hardly just.

[spartan]

Christian fascism is one the rise here in the U.S. The major problem with Christian dominionism and fundamentalism is that it always carries a baggage of other reactionary ideas along with the theocratic package. They have been gaining prominence in the political scene right next to the free-marketeers and U.S. hegemonic imperialists since the 80s. I'd read "Latin America, the United States, and the Rise of the New Imperialism" to see to the extent they play in imperialist thought and policy.
I was watching someone on BBC news who was saying how the only reason that Bush and the Republicans had stayed in power for so long was because they had effectively combined the economic Conservatives (Free market neo-Liberals) with the social Conservatives (Christian Evangelists) who together make up a formidable force in American politics with lots of support from your average American voter.


Who gives a shit about the founders? They were 18th century slave-owning elitists. Are there not better moral/political/intellectual authorities? How is it even a question that we not bother appealing to them? It's obviously absurd, and harmful, that the U.S. Constitution be amended to hold to any sort of "God's law". This occurs totally irrespective of what a small group of armed revolutionaries who didn't want to pay taxes may or may not have thought.

The whole point is that on the mainstream politcal arena in America the founding fathers, and what they intended, are very important.

So such a figure as Mike Huckabee going way against what was originally intended should make him lose support.

[Ismail]

The "revolution" was mainly because those who supported it felt that they were being screwed and that they were not profiting enough. (Franklin owned a printing press, etc)

The founding fathers were sincere in quite a few of their beliefs related to taxes, etc, but they got caught up in idealism. (which was popular in that time for reasons that should be obvious)

It's like Adam Smith. Capitalism was the best thing possible in the 1700's, but it quickly outlived that status by the beginning of the 20th century.

[Geronimo Pratt]

I was watching someone on BBC news who was saying how the only reason that Bush and the Republicans had stayed in power for so long was because they had effectively combined the economic Conservatives (Free market neo-Liberals) with the social Conservatives (Christian Evangelists) who together make up a formidable force in American politics with lots of support from your average American voter.


The Christian fascists have adopted neoliberalism in their ideology as it fits well with their fundamentalist and elitist viewpoint of the world although their main concern is Christian dominionism in the political realm. They have zealously adopted free-marketism for the purpose of political alliance across the right as well. Likewise free-market neoliberals are not primarily concerned with government intervention on social issues although they do make compromises in certain instances it isn't their main focus. Uniting both are the U.S. imperialist idealists in the upper echelons of the past several administrations who have united these major tenants of the right in a "crusade" for U.S. hegemonic control. All three reactionary ideologies fit together very well and although there are clashes of interests at times, i.e. neoliberals and imperialists not enforcing social constriction angers the Christian fascists, they will generally unite for common free-market capitalist and imperialist principles when it comes down it.

[jake williams]

The whole point is that on the mainstream politcal arena in America the founding fathers, and what they intended, are very important.

So such a figure as Mike Huckabee going way against what was originally intended should make him lose support.
Important in what regard? It has an effect, assuredly, or at least people's interpretations thereof have an effect, I'm just saying they shouldn't really. Which is it you're saying?

[Sky]

Huckabee is not nearly as offensive as some of his competitors. Unlike the likes of Romney he is not an ardent pro-Bush sycophant. That Huckabee is not such a Bush loyalist has drawn him criticism from retards like Fred Thompson who called him a 'liberal'.

Regarding Huckabee's religious rhetoric, it does not differ significantly from what evangelical elements in the Republican Party have been propagating for decades e.g prayer in public schools, ban on abortion, same-sex marriage, et c.

[SouthernBelle82]

It is scary. Two other good books to read with this include "American fascists" by Chris Hedges and "American Theocracy" by Kevin Phillps.


Christian fascism is one the rise here in the U.S. The major problem with Christian dominionism and fundamentalism is that it always carries a baggage of other reactionary ideas along with the theocratic package. They have been gaining prominence in the political scene right next to the free-marketeers and U.S. hegemonic imperialists since the 80s. I'd read "Latin America, the United States, and the Rise of the New Imperialism" to see to the extent they play in imperialist thought and policy.

[SamiBTX]

Christian Supremacy. That's what it is.al-Qaeda wants to eliminate all non-Muslims, & the Christian zealots(let's just call them al-Christ-a) wants to eliminate all non-Christians.Let's put all these religious fanatics on an island & let them duke it out,let us civilized people live in peace.

[Comrade Rage]

It makes me wonder: where will this fascistic trend take American politics, and what can we do to create a revolutionary situation from that mess.

[Geronimo Pratt]

I think to rule out a fascist trend amongst the middle class in the U.S. would be unwise. The movement of support for Ron Paul and libertarianism has many fascist characteristics from extreme racism and nationalism to right-wing conspiracism. When they speak of freedom it is basically the freedom of the rich to live without taxes or business regulations and to dwindle the state down to defending private property. White supremacist nativism combined with ultra-extreme free market capitalism propagated by the middle class sounds pretty fascistic to me.

[Schrödinger's Cat]

I'm holding out for the coalition to collapse this year from some possible Republican nominations becoming presidential candidates.

[Kitskits]

The founding fathers of USA were monsters.

Nowadays it's gotten over a quadrillion time worse.

[More Fire for the People]

Ya, at least you folks didn't actually live under a Huckabee administration ;_;

[Lenin II]

So what candidate do you guys think takes the cake for MOST reactionary? Perhaps Mitt Romney?

[Entrails Konfetti]

You know its totally blasphemic to base anything worldly on the devine. Why? The state is a worldly manifestation created by perpetuant sinners. Perpetuant sinners can only tarnish the divinity, that is why they have to ask for forgiveness, they cannot help being worldy. Again, the political state is the epitome of worldlyness-- therefor, not devine, and incapable of divinity!

Any holy re-writes of anything would be a curse, it would be incorrect because mankind cannot be divine aslong as they are on Earth.

Bottom line: Huckabee isn't god, and can never be.

Also, I'm not Christian or relogious

[w0lf]

The founding fathers of USA were monsters.

Nowadays it's gotten over a quadrillion time worse.

agreed. Jefferson was a white nationalist..

Huckabee thinks of himself as Jesus..he replies "your doing the Lord's work" to someone who helps his campaign

[RedKnight]

Probally Adolf Mussolini AKA Rudolf Guiliani

[Pawn Power]

Huckabee Panders to S.C. GOP - Again Equates Homosexuality with Pedophilia, Bestiality (http://www.pensitoreview.com/2008/01/17/huck-panders-to-sc-gop/)

http://www.pensitoreview.com/2008/01/17/huck-panders-to-sc-gop/

[Pawn Power]

The only good thing about Huckabee is his love of fried squirrel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yj3QAzSWVA4

[non-vio-resist]

the founding fathers couldn't have cared less about the separation of church and state, or freedom of speech, or gun nuts affinity for the second amendment. they cared only about the minority of "enlightened gentlemen." this is quite elementary: they saw themselves as the educated, elite minority whose noble obligation was to tell all of the heathens (the majority of the population. sound familiar?) how to run their lives. this has been the status quo in capitalist/ state capitalist countries: the wealthy/ intellectual elite own the world. also, they are the smart guys who will save the population from what 16th century elitist thomas hobbes called a "nasty, brutish life." here is where i see parallels between the ruling class in the west and a mao or a lenin or a stalin. these seem to me to be bogus hierarchies, regardless of the cause.

[SouthernBelle82]

Try reading the Articles of the Confederation. It was before the Constitution.


The founding fathers of USA were monsters.

Nowadays it's gotten over a quadrillion time worse.

[SouthernBelle82]

They would be total opposite if it was Hillary Clinton doing what Huckabee was doing. They're only for it when it's them.


the founding fathers couldn't have cared less about the separation of church and state, or freedom of speech, or gun nuts affinity for the second amendment. they cared only about the minority of "enlightened gentlemen." this is quite elementary: they saw themselves as the educated, elite minority whose noble obligation was to tell all of the heathens (the majority of the population. sound familiar?) how to run their lives. this has been the status quo in capitalist/ state capitalist countries: the wealthy/ intellectual elite own the world. also, they are the smart guys who will save the population from what 16th century elitist thomas hobbes called a "nasty, brutish life." here is where i see parallels between the ruling class in the west and a mao or a lenin or a stalin. these seem to me to be bogus hierarchies, regardless of the cause.

[Red October]

Mike Huckabee is also endorsed by Chuck Norris, making him far superior to all other candidates in terms of novelties.

[Refugee from Earth]

Mike Huckabee is also endorsed by Chuck Norris, making him far superior to all other candidates in terms of novelties.

Not true. The following are universally accepted as superior to Chuck Norris as a novelty:

Gandalf the Grey and Gandalf the White and Monty Python and the Holy Grail's black knight, and Benito Mussolini and the Blue Meanie and Cowboy Curtis and Jambi the Genie, Robocop, the Terminator, Captain Kirk and Darth Vader, Lo Pan, Superman, every single Power Ranger, Bill S. Preston and Theodore Logan, Spock, the Rock, Doc Ock and Hulk Hogan

Politically they all suck though.

[Dimentio]

Monty Python were socialists...

[Raúl Duke]

Try reading the Articles of the Confederation. It was before the Constitution.

Actually, the constitution was proposed, in closed doors, at a convention because of the "problems of the article of confederation" which were that farmers were raiding a courthouse just so their land wouldn't be re-appropriated (Shay's rebellion). To the founders, they saw the "rabble" getting out of hand and that something must be done. During the convention, many of these founders spoke openly with contempt of the masses (Madison, Hamilton, etc). The only notable exception would be Jefferson who seem to be somewhat unfazed about having a little revolt here and there (although he was a slave owner and there was this British anti-slavery advocate who poked fun at the absurdity: "Why do the loudest yelps of liberty come from slave owners?") .