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Revulero
16th January 2008, 07:04
What kind of economy other than the state capitalist (planned economy) of China should be used in a socialist government, even under cricumstances of isolation?

kromando33
16th January 2008, 07:12
State capitalism = planned economy, wtf are you talking about!?! I smell the odor of rotten Trotskyism coming from you. A 'planned economy' is nothing but the self-determination of the working masses and the natural system of proletarian coordination. The socialist planned economies, as in after the deaths of Stalin and Mao in their respective countries, was abandoned by the revisionists who took over after their deaths. China currently doesn't have a planned economy, instead the economy is privately-owned by cliques of politically-connected bourgeois individuals.

Revulero
16th January 2008, 08:12
im sorry damn i made a mistake and I know china doesnt have a planned economy, but i meant to say China when Mao was around, had a planned economy and now its run between the bourgeoisie and the bureaucrats reeping the benefits. But other than state capitalism and a planned economy is there another form of economy that wont corrupt a socialist revolution and also, can you listen to yourself you make it sound like Stalin wasnt a revisionist.

blackstone
16th January 2008, 13:58
A revolution in which society is reorganized where the people are in control, is a society that utilizes participatory planning. A Participatory Economy, is different from centrally planned economies, which i explain in more detail here:

http://power-2-people.blogspot.com/2007/12/centrally-planned-vs-participatory.html

Participatory planning allows participants to exercise direct democracy and allows ordinary citizens to control their own lives. Citizens of a post-revolutionary society will be organized into federations of workers and consumer councils. Workers in worker councils need to articulate proposals on what and how much they want to produce, as well as the resources needed for production. Consumers, on the other hand, will need to express through proposals what and how much they intend to consume. Both production and consumption proposals will be sent to the facilitation board where through a system of proposals, amendments, and rejections, a social plan articulated to cover the entire economy is hashed out.

Note; socialism, or libertarian socialism / anarchism entails principles and values such as self-management and self-government, there is no government as we know it, which is top down and hierarchal like corporate structures. Any structure through which society sets and enforces the basic rules, and governs itself, is what I call a polity. A libertarian socialist or anarchistic society, will have a polity based on direct, participatory democracy.