choosing your friends wisely for insurrectional actions

[coda]

This is excerpted from the animal liberation front, but practical advice for all.
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Security Practices and Security Culture


Choosing Your Friends Wisely for Illegal Activities


We need to stress the importance of choosing your "friends" wisely. As we have seen, even cell members can turn into informers when the heat is on and fear has taken over their reasoning. Here are a few words on how to better choose the people that you take action with:


Don't work with individuals who are involved in other criminal activity, especially if it is violent in nature. When these people are caught for unrelated activity, they will (and have) snitched on their cell-mates to avoid other charges.

Don't work with people who are not committed to the cause. When the stakes are high -- as it is with any illegal Direct Action -- trust your gut. If you are uncomfortable with any potential cell member -- don't work with them. PERIOD.

Don't allow trusted friends to "vouch" for others. You should have first hand experience working with every cell member before even approaching the subject of illegal Direct Action with him or her. Oftentimes friends are blinded to their friend's quirks, which might point to the fact that s/he is just plain not suited for this activity.

Try to imagine potential cell-mates -- and yourself – after they are caught and are being interrogated: How would they respond? Would the fear cause them to break? Could they handle the pressure of jail time or their parents?

[From "Choosing Your Friends Wisely" by the Animal Liberation Front http://www.animalliberation.net/security/friends.html (http://www.animalliberation.net/security/friends.html)]

[Cybercide]

thats good advice, thanks for putting in on here.

[Dros]

The ALF makes me laugh!!!:D

[Red Menace]

The ALF makes me laugh!!!:D

and why is that comrade?

[coda]

yeah, i agree! The ALF & ELF are pretty goofy.,. however, they have a very ingenious
use of cell systems that very rarely, if ever, get infiltrated. Good guerilla warfare tactics going on there.

[kromando33]

Non-sentient animals need 'liberation', what a joke, I think the working class needs it more comrades.

[An archist]

Non-sentient animals need 'liberation', what a joke, I think the working class needs it more comrades.
That's not really the point here, is it? It's about tactics, and it needs to be said, a lot of ALF actions are obviously decently planned since few people get arrested for them. That is probably because most people follow these guidelines and have a strict security culture.

[manic expression]

There are plenty of books on clandestine actions, by leftists and others. You can find them in many libraries and across the internet. Here's one I just dug up:

http://www.marxists.org/history/international/comintern/sections/sacp/1980/secret-work.htm

Remember, you're responsible for the risks you take yourself. My interest in the subject is merely academic.

[Dros]

and why is that comrade?

Animals are not people. They do not need to be liberated. These people believe it is better to die then to eat meat. They are crazy, moralistic, and idealistic with no basis in a sensical theory. And now, I am going to go eat some veal...

[coda]

This one is excellent!!!
http://www.marxists.org/history/inte...ecret-work.htm

[Organic Revolution]

Animals are not people. They do not need to be liberated. These people believe it is better to die then to eat meat. They are crazy, moralistic, and idealistic with no basis in a sensical theory. And now, I am going to go eat some veal...

I think we can all agree that animals are not people, but either were slaves back in the day, therefore, by your logic, they didn't need liberation either. Piss off Leninist fuck.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

Slaves were always people. A lack of legal recognition as a person does not mean one is objectively not a person.

[black magick hustla]

i like getting my proteins from moomoos and chickens

[darktidus]

I think we can all agree that animals are not people, but either were slaves back in the day, therefore, by your logic, they didn't need liberation either. Piss off Leninist fuck.

I'm inclined to agree.

[kromando33]

I think we can all agree that animals are not people, but either were slaves back in the day, therefore, by your logic, they didn't need liberation either. Piss off Leninist fuck.
Lol, the self-righteous liberal tripe is overwhelming, I think I am going to throw up...

[Wanted Man]

I think we can all agree that animals are not people, but either were slaves back in the day, therefore, by your logic, they didn't need liberation either. Piss off Leninist fuck.
You're so cute when you get mad. But yes, I love the ALF too. Real classy, to threaten the lives of children of scientists who do experiments that don't even hurt the monkeys. Animals are people, but children are not, so it's okay to threaten their lives to "free" the animals. :rolleyes:

[Red Puppy]

You're so cute when you get mad. But yes, I love the ALF too. Real classy, to threaten the lives of children of scientists who do experiments that don't even hurt the monkeys. Animals are people, but children are not, so it's okay to threaten their lives to "free" the animals.

True, it is a bit unreasonable to threaten the children of the scientists, or to threaten the scientists at all as that borders on terrorism. However, you're blind if you think the experiments do not hurt the animals. There are some experiments that don't and sure, that's fine. Most of the time though, it's cruel and unusual experimenting that does hurt the animals. Not only that, but the living conditions usually are less than satisfactory.

[Vanguard1917]

I think we can all agree that animals are not people, but either were slaves back in the day, therefore, by your logic, they didn't need liberation either. Piss off Leninist fuck.

Slaves were conscious beings who could be aware of their oppression and, more importantly, fight against it.

Animals can do none of these things. Comparing them to human slaves is immensely degrading to the latter.

Please learn to use your (human) brain.



True, it is a bit unreasonable to threaten the children of the scientists


The fact that they place the lives of monkeys and mice above that of human children is 'a bit unreasonable'? It's fucking despicable.


However, you're blind if you think the experiments do not hurt the animals.

Yes, vivisection 'hurts' animals. It also helps save millions of human lives and treat millions more.

[abbielives!]

I read that a while ago and somewhere in it, it says that underground networks should be organized vertically not horizontally. ALF/ELF is organized according to the concept of leaderless resistance, which means the cells don't communicate with each other. anyone know a good way to for underground networks to organize democratically?
is that even feasible? historical examples appreciated.

I think ELF type stuff may serve as useful a purpose as sabotage did for the labour movement.

[kromando33]

Animals of the world, unite!:rolleyes:

[coda]

What do you mean by democratically?

The Óglaigh na hÉireann (Irish Republican Army) also operate/d in 2-5 person cells. The IRA considered the most sophisticated, experienced, and at the time extensively armed guerilla army in the world should be studied as the example of modern first-world urban class warfare.

Best of the IRA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vn9gfq1ltsE

Go on Home British Soldiers..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aq2LTVHQ4uA&NR=1

RIP Bobby Sands

[guerilla E]

I read that a while ago and somewhere in it, it says that underground networks should be organized vertically not horizontally. ALF/ELF is organized according to the concept of leaderless resistance, which means the cells don't communicate with each other. anyone know a good way to for underground networks to organize democratically?
is that even feasible? historical examples appreciated.

I think ELF type stuff may serve as useful a purpose as sabotage did for the labour movement.

Democratic organization of groups is a security risk, as democracies generally need 'representatives' and other officials. The ALF/ELF have a history of being independent cells united through similar idealogy; such as that the aims and goals are outlined, the affiliations are outlined, but communication and contact between groups is kept to minimum - this is also because there are ALF members who are currently wanted/were wanted by the FBI.

Horizontal organization refers to leaderless, independent organization - if you are interested in vertical organization then there are compounded security risks when compared to the cell structure of ALF. It takes one informer to infiltrate the top 'rank' of such a democratic group to threaten the entire movement, whilst leaderless collectives tend to contain security risks to their respective independent cells. 2-3 members going down for a crime is better than 20-30, from top to bottom, as it essentially ensures that such movement is permanently shut down.

Sorry im tired, no historical examples, but hell someone else can probbly pull out some good ones

[Holden Caulfield]

Animals of the world, unite!:rolleyes:

liberators do not exsist the animals will liberate themselves,
lol,

it is a waste of energy to put this much effort into freeing animals when there are still !humans! (whoo for our specis) that are opressed and starving etc,

[Dros]

I think we can all agree that animals are not people, but either were slaves back in the day, therefore, by your logic, they didn't need liberation either. Piss off Leninist fuck.

Not only are you a sectarian, ultra-leftist, but you are also an IDIOT!

Slaves aren't animals fuckwit. They are and always have been people.

[abbielives!]

Democratic organization of groups is a security risk, as democracies generally need 'representatives' and other officials. The ALF/ELF have a history of being independent cells united through similar idealogy; such as that the aims and goals are outlined, the affiliations are outlined, but communication and contact between groups is kept to minimum - this is also because there are ALF members who are currently wanted/were wanted by the FBI.

Horizontal organization refers to leaderless, independent organization - if you are interested in vertical organization then there are compounded security risks when compared to the cell structure of ALF. It takes one informer to infiltrate the top 'rank' of such a democratic group to threaten the entire movement, whilst leaderless collectives tend to contain security risks to their respective independent cells. 2-3 members going down for a crime is better than 20-30, from top to bottom, as it essentially ensures that such movement is permanently shut down.

Sorry im tired, no historical examples, but hell someone else can probbly pull out some good ones

I am aware of the security risk posed by interaction between cells, there are also benifits however such as logistical support and information. a war requires a good deal of ammunition what is more effective each cell procuring it's own or several contributing collectively?

[kromando33]

Not only are you a sectarian, ultra-leftist, but you are also an IDIOT!

Slaves aren't animals fuckwit. They are and always have been people.
Lol, I bet he's also one of the 'trees are people too' type douchbags.

" Because it's not politically opportunistic these days to oppose the oppression of humans, we shall oppose the oppression of animals, trees and dirt! yaaaaa1!!11 ":rolleyes:

[abbielives!]

no one for the independant vs connected cells arguement?

[guerilla E]

I am aware of the security risk posed by interaction between cells, there are also benifits however such as logistical support and information. a war requires a good deal of ammunition what is more effective each cell procuring it's own or several contributing collectively?

This is an interesting point - I believe that wars generally require armies to be involved at some point. Since we are far from being an army, I would imagine that we are similar to rebels or insurgents - which would further imply that anything collective is a security risk. Our enemy has state-of-the-art technology, unlimited funds, legal protection, weapons and literally an army - regardless of country. Collective organization is only the logical second step against such a thing, as anything collective can be smashed as a whole by the state in its infant beginnings.

I may agree that essentially after a form of resistance has been formed, it may pay to create a solid, or connected, political party. However since I'm an anarchist and such plans in the past have led to the abuse of power, I would imagine that a better form of fighting the state would be cells, followed by increased public attention to actions (not their cells) and then mass movement.

Independent cells provide a basic defense - simplicity. You may only be capable of performing small feats compared to an organized, and active, political group but your ability to take it to that illegal next level is higher. Also Independent cells are harder to target and their isolation provides safety, when compared (as mentioned before) to a vertical structure.

We have not actually touched on the fact that cells may be working collectively but also independently. They may provide support, 'ammo', but follow their own orders. It is possible that groups may organize safe houses, drop-off points or just places they hang out to provide small links between each cell.

In the past it was suggested that each cell have one person who knew another person from another cell, that these representatives get together only on occasion, to provide communication (at the most basic level) and refresh a sense of direction. Even this level of spartan communication is a security risk, as each representative is a liability. The most vertical a horizontally structured group can get would most likely be those representatives and perhaps divisions between 'militants' and 'non-militants'.

[ellipsis]

a war requires a good deal of ammunition what is more effective each cell procuring it's own or several contributing collectively?
it really depends on how you are networked, from what i understand. if there is a central leadership structure then it might make sense to have the munitions stock piled and then distributed as needed. abraham guillen advises against permanent armories as they are prone to being busted. if the cells have little/no contact with eachother and/or the central leadership, acquisition of supplies is their responsibility. again this is what i understand, i have no experience. personally I keep all my guns and ammo with a comrade in another state.

[There is No God!]

Firstly anybody who criticizes the ALF for putting the lives of "children and scientists" on the line obviously has no idea what they're talking about.

In their aims, it states: To take all necessary precautions against harming any animal, human and non-human.

Therefore anybody who was to commit an arson attack or whatever would be a nutcase, but not a ‘member’ of the ALF.

And secondly most people who carry out actions under the ALF do so because they are compassionate people who realize that animals feel pain the same way humans do. They don’t believe animals should be subjected to brutal conditions and deaths, just because they don’t share our intelligence. Which I think is fair enough.

Realistically, the ALF doesn't have much of an impact. But they do more good than anyone on here who spends their days moaning about capitalism, but not doing anything to change it.

[Nusocialist]

What good do they actually do? Except threaten genuine research facilities which could actually help people.

[There is No God!]

The majority of actions are liberating animals from factory farms.

I would also like to make it clear I don't support the ALF, I just think that they get a lot of undeserved flack because of the actions of a minority.

[crimsonzephyr]

Don't work with individuals who are involved in other criminal activity, especially if it is violent in nature. When these people are caught for unrelated activity, they will (and have) snitched on their cell-mates to avoid other charges.

Don't work with people who are not committed to the cause. When the stakes are high -- as it is with any illegal Direct Action -- trust your gut. If you are uncomfortable with any potential cell member -- don't work with them. PERIOD.

Don't allow trusted friends to "vouch" for others. You should have first hand experience working with every cell member before even approaching the subject of illegal Direct Action with him or her. Oftentimes friends are blinded to their friend's quirks, which might point to the fact that s/he is just plain not suited for this activity.

Try to imagine potential cell-mates -- and yourself – after they are caught and are being interrogated: How would they respond? Would the fear cause them to break? Could they handle the pressure of jail time or their parents?


It's really fucking hard to find people with enough self control to fit these standards. Just pointing that out. I dont trust most of my closest friends in this respect.

Everybody that is doing illegal work of any kind MUST be able to have the self control to not rat out other members they're working with. Even if it involves pain, etc. An illegal job cannot be completed unless all members are completely committed.

[bolshevik butcher]

What use is this as advice for the vast majority of this boards membership? It stinks of replacing real activity and agitation with phrase mungering and talk of great, dangerous "revolutionary" acts.

At the current time the revolutionary left is legal in just about every country from where people are posting, there is no need for underground organising, and if there is reading about it on the internet doesn't strike me as an effective way to go about it. In America, Britain, Canada, most of Europe, even most of Latin America these tactics are entirely unescessary and counter productive. We need to be reaching and appealing to the mass layers of conscious and semi-conscious workers and youth not hiding oruselves in secretive cells and undertaking great actions to liberate the working class on their own behalf....

NYA if ever there as an example that proves my argument right its the example of the provisional IRA. For all the heroism, equipment, funding and even support if not active at least passive that the provos enjoyed did they manage to drive the brits out? After almost thirty years of relentless armed struggle a united (nevermind socialist) Ireland is further of the agenda was than when the struggle began. Now we see the old commanders of the provos running the North of Ireland for British impeiralism.

[coda]

<<What use is this as advice for the vast majority of this boards membership? It stinks of replacing real activity and agitation with phrase mungering and talk of great, dangerous "revolutionary" acts.>>

No, nothing that grandiose as great,dangerous revolutionary acts! It's info probably not meant for the vast majority of the board membership, but for those who intend to engage in a little misdemeanor direct action.

[Nusocialist]

The majority of actions are liberating animals from factory farms.

I would also like to make it clear I don't support the ALF, I just think that they get a lot of undeserved flack because of the actions of a minority.
When there are humans who need libertarian everywhere I have little sympathy for middle class students who try and save animals from factory farms. It is okay as an ideal perhaps but the fanaticism of some of these people for quite a low priority thing is extremely annoying.

[There is No God!]

It's a lot easier to liberate a chicken than a human.

[abbielives!]

What use is this as advice for the vast majority of this boards membership? It stinks of replacing real activity and agitation with phrase mungering and talk of great, dangerous "revolutionary" acts.

At the current time the revolutionary left is legal in just about every country from where people are posting, there is no need for underground organising, and if there is reading about it on the internet doesn't strike me as an effective way to go about it. In America, Britain, Canada, most of Europe, even most of Latin America these tactics are entirely unescessary and counter productive. We need to be reaching and appealing to the mass layers of conscious and semi-conscious workers and youth not hiding oruselves in secretive cells and undertaking great actions to liberate the working class on their own behalf....

NYA if ever there as an example that proves my argument right its the example of the provisional IRA. For all the heroism, equipment, funding and even support if not active at least passive that the provos enjoyed did they manage to drive the brits out? After almost thirty years of relentless armed struggle a united (nevermind socialist) Ireland is further of the agenda was than when the struggle began. Now we see the old commanders of the provos running the North of Ireland for British impeiralism.

i think the info i imporant knowledge to have as a 'just in case' kind of thing. furthermore sabotage was used by the labor movment to great effect and some of the things mentioned are useful in that resepect. further sould we reach the point of revolution we can expect the state to crack down and so this knowledge will be useful then.

[abbielives!]

This is an interesting point - I believe that wars generally require armies to be involved at some point. Since we are far from being an army, I would imagine that we are similar to rebels or insurgents - which would further imply that anything collective is a security risk. Our enemy has state-of-the-art technology, unlimited funds, legal protection, weapons and literally an army - regardless of country. Collective organization is only the logical second step against such a thing, as anything collective can be smashed as a whole by the state in its infant beginnings.

I may agree that essentially after a form of resistance has been formed, it may pay to create a solid, or connected, political party. However since I'm an anarchist and such plans in the past have led to the abuse of power, I would imagine that a better form of fighting the state would be cells, followed by increased public attention to actions (not their cells) and then mass movement.

Independent cells provide a basic defense - simplicity. You may only be capable of performing small feats compared to an organized, and active, political group but your ability to take it to that illegal next level is higher. Also Independent cells are harder to target and their isolation provides safety, when compared (as mentioned before) to a vertical structure.

We have not actually touched on the fact that cells may be working collectively but also independently. They may provide support, 'ammo', but follow their own orders. It is possible that groups may organize safe houses, drop-off points or just places they hang out to provide small links between each cell.

In the past it was suggested that each cell have one person who knew another person from another cell, that these representatives get together only on occasion, to provide communication (at the most basic level) and refresh a sense of direction. Even this level of spartan communication is a security risk, as each representative is a liability. The most vertical a horizontally structured group can get would most likely be those representatives and perhaps divisions between 'militants' and 'non-militants'.

i agree
the book "Rebel Alliances" has a section on this if anyone is interested.

[Nusocialist]

It's a lot easier to liberate a chicken than a human.
And they taste much better.

That is another problem with these people, I cannot help but thinking that have some vegetarian agenda. They may only complain about factory farms(which I'm not particularly worried about.) but ultimately I think they'd rather we didn't farm animals at all.

[ellipsis]

Yah, pretty much everybody I know who would be down for insurrections would be excluded through this. It is my opinion that security culture means living in the underground, courts are meaningless if they can't find you. But I do not commit illegal acts of this nature...

I come from a small town with no true comrades, so I have to settle for comrades in arms who I have know almost all my life. Like I said, none of them fit the criteria outlined above, but I trust them with my life based on years of experience.

[Svante]

garder vos amis près e t vos ennemiis plus près.

[bolshevik butcher]

Why all this talk of insurection and arms? It is all mindless substitutionalism for real action. Usually the further someone is from involvement the more inclined they are to talk of guns and petrol bombs. I'm sure that there will be times for building barricades and explosives but to rant and rave about this and the "lack of true comrades" just now is ridiculous. Of course there is a lack of "true comrades", we need to boild them and build ourselves. Talking about violent acts of whatever proportion wont replace agitating, educating and organising.

[An archist]

garder vos amis près e t vos ennemiis plus près.

It would be pretty stupid to go on an illegal action with cops.

[RHIZOMES]

What use is this as advice for the vast majority of this boards membership? It stinks of replacing real activity and agitation with phrase mungering and talk of great, dangerous "revolutionary" acts.

At the current time the revolutionary left is legal in just about every country from where people are posting, there is no need for underground organising, and if there is reading about it on the internet doesn't strike me as an effective way to go about it. In America, Britain, Canada, most of Europe, even most of Latin America these tactics are entirely unescessary and counter productive. We need to be reaching and appealing to the mass layers of conscious and semi-conscious workers and youth not hiding oruselves in secretive cells and undertaking great actions to liberate the working class on their own behalf....

NYA if ever there as an example that proves my argument right its the example of the provisional IRA. For all the heroism, equipment, funding and even support if not active at least passive that the provos enjoyed did they manage to drive the brits out? After almost thirty years of relentless armed struggle a united (nevermind socialist) Ireland is further of the agenda was than when the struggle began. Now we see the old commanders of the provos running the North of Ireland for British impeiralism.

THIS.


Why all this talk of insurection and arms? It is all mindless substitutionalism for real action. Usually the further someone is from involvement the more inclined they are to talk of guns and petrol bombs. I'm sure that there will be times for building barricades and explosives but to rant and rave about this and the "lack of true comrades" just now is ridiculous. Of course there is a lack of "true comrades", we need to boild them and build ourselves. Talking about violent acts of whatever proportion wont replace agitating, educating and organising.

AND THIS.

I would say it's actually harmful to the movement. Many a protest has been fucked up by a bunch of anarkiddies wanting to start a riot. Making the revolutionary left look like a bunch of violent kooks to the vast majority of the masses.

[Wanted Man]

It's a lot easier to liberate a chicken than a human.
Well, this just about sums up the wafer-thin ideology behind this crap.

By the way, I don't know how it is in other countries. But here 'free range' usually means hundreds of chickens cooped up in a silo, pecking the shit out of each other. They actually have better lives in batteries.

[freakazoid]

I would say it's actually harmful to the movement. Many a protest has been fucked up by a bunch of anarkiddies wanting to start a riot. Making the revolutionary left look like a bunch of violent kooks to the vast majority of the masses.

While violence isn't needed in a lot of protests, there are times when it is. But we must always be striking at the system, whether it be by violent revolutionary acts, sabotage, or even flyposting. And when doing these acts, like has been said, it is very important to know who you are working with, and I mean very important. Anybody remember COINTELPRO?


We need to be reaching and appealing to the mass layers of conscious and semi-conscious workers and youth not hiding oruselves in secretive cells and undertaking great actions to liberate the working class on their own behalf....

Thats not the point. I talk about the role of the militia in this thread, http://www.revleft.com/vb/setting-up-militia-t54170/index.html?t=54170&highlight=guns

[freakazoid]

I would say it's actually harmful to the movement. Many a protest has been fucked up by a bunch of anarkiddies wanting to start a riot.

While there are a lot of times that violence is not needed, and even counter productive, there are also times when violent revolutionary acts are needed, and we should always be doing something to oppose the system. Whether it be by violent revolutionary acts, or sabotage, or even something as simple as flyposting or spraypainting revolutionary material. And we should always be preparing for the time when violent revolutionary acts needed.


Making the revolutionary left look like a bunch of violent kooks to the vast majority of the masses.

It doesn't matter what we do, the media will always put us in a bad light.


At the current time the revolutionary left is legal in just about every country from where people are posting, there is no need for underground organising, and if there is reading about it on the internet doesn't strike me as an effective way to go about it. In America, Britain, Canada, most of Europe, even most of Latin America these tactics are entirely unescessary and counter productive.

At the CURRENT time. We need to be organizing now while we still can, and preparing for the time of the violent revolution, and also while preparing for that time we still need to be doing smaller things. And by preparing for it we need to be doing things like helping to create a class consciousness. Stocking up on firearms and ammunition. Learning how to make explosives, some of them are really easy to make with common things, like TATP, ANFO, or Thermite. Remember knowledge isn't illegal yet, and thermite isn't illegal to make. I've been working on a guide to achieving the revolution and I plan on posting for a review :). Although don't expect it for a while, right now my main computer is down for some reason and I'm bad at procrastinating :(


We need to be reaching and appealing to the mass layers of conscious and semi-conscious workers and youth not hiding oruselves in secretive cells and undertaking great actions to liberate the working class on their own behalf....

That is part of the purpose of what the militia should do. I have talked about it here, http://www.revleft.com/vb/setting-up-militia-t54170/index.html?t=54170&highlight=guns

[freakazoid]

I would say it's actually harmful to the movement. Many a protest has been fucked up by a bunch of anarkiddies wanting to start a riot.While there are a lot of times that violence is not needed, and even counter productive, there are also times when violent revolutionary acts are needed, and we should always be doing something to oppose the system. Whether it be by violent revolutionary acts, or sabotage, or even something as simple as flyposting or spraypainting revolutionary material. And we should always be preparing for the time when violent revolutionary acts needed.


Making the revolutionary left look like a bunch of violent kooks to the vast majority of the masses.It doesn't matter what we do, the media will always put us in a bad light.


At the current time the revolutionary left is legal in just about every country from where people are posting, there is no need for underground organising, and if there is reading about it on the internet doesn't strike me as an effective way to go about it. In America, Britain, Canada, most of Europe, even most of Latin America these tactics are entirely unescessary and counter productive.At the CURRENT time. We need to be organizing now while we still can, and preparing for the time of the violent revolution, and also while preparing for that time we still need to be doing smaller things. And by preparing for it we need to be doing things like helping to create a class consciousness. Stocking up on firearms and ammunition. Learning how to make explosives, some of them are really easy to make with common things, like TATP, ANFO, or Thermite. Remember knowledge isn't illegal yet, and thermite isn't illegal to make. I've been working on a guide to achieving the revolution and I plan on posting for a review :). Although don't expect it for a while, right now my main computer is down for some reason and I'm bad at procrastinating :(


We need to be reaching and appealing to the mass layers of conscious and semi-conscious workers and youth not hiding oruselves in secretive cells and undertaking great actions to liberate the working class on their own behalf....That is part of the purpose of what the militia should do. I have talked about it here, http://www.revleft.com/vb/setting-up-militia-t54170/index.html?t=54170&highlight=guns