Those Monsters!

[Lenin II]

I saw the Russian neo-Nazi beheading video last night. I have been enraged ever since.

A group called the National Socialists of Rus (http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?t=312197) claimed responsibility for the video, “The Execution of a Tajik and a Dagestani." The video was originally posted on the Russian version of the Live Journal website by a user named "anti-Gypsy" and subsequently appeared on many Russian-language neo-Nazi internet sites. It was quickly removed from most of the sites where it was found, and the National Socialism/White Power site (the name of the group that committed the murders) was overwhelmed with hits.


With the fall of Communism, the Russian neo-Nazi movement came into full bloom as the economy collapsed and the search for scapegoats began. Vladimir Putin's government is doing nothing to stop this slaughter. The police certainly do nothing to stop such atrocities since they most likely agree with the mindset.

Communists have no deadlier enemies than fascists and Nazis, and the battle has never stopped. They want to attack us and kill us, and believe me, the feeling is mutual. If there is anything that can clear up this foolish sectarianism on revleft, it is this. They have attacked and killed our people and our comrades for almost 90 years. We should not rest until every fascist is dead.

[Dr Mindbender]

i hope our russian comrades find the fuckers who did that and cut their heads off. :mad:

[AntifaHooligan]

I saw the Russian neo-Nazi beheading video last night. I have been enraged ever since.

A group called the National Socialists of Rus (http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?t=312197) claimed responsibility for the video, “The Execution of a Tajik and a Dagestani." The video was originally posted on the Russian version of the Live Journal website by a user named "anti-Gypsy" and subsequently appeared on many Russian-language neo-Nazi internet sites. It was quickly removed from most of the sites where it was found, and the National Socialism/White Power site (the name of the group that committed the murders) was overwhelmed with hits.
With the fall of Communism, the Russian neo-Nazi movement came into full bloom as the economy collapsed and the search for scapegoats began. Vladimir Putin's government is doing nothing to stop this slaughter. The police certainly do nothing to stop such atrocities since they most likely agree with the mindset.

Communists have no deadlier enemies than fascists and Nazis, and the battle has never stopped. They want to attack us and kill us, and believe me, the feeling is mutual. If there is anything that can clear up this foolish sectarianism on revleft, it is this. They have attacked and killed our people and our comrades for almost 90 years. We should not rest until every fascist is dead.

The video is staged. But i agree, no rest until all fascists are dead.
We should really start using lethal force against the fascists. Remember everyone, killing a fascist is only a crime in the eyes of the police!

[Lenin II]

The video is staged. But i agree, no rest until all fascists are dead.
We should really start using lethal force against the fascists. Remember everyone, killing a fascist is only a crime in the eyes of the police!
I read somewhere that it was fake, but I don't see how you could fake a video like that-it looks even more realistic than the Al Queda beheading videos. What evidence is there that it's fake? Looks pretty damn real to me.

[Forward Union]

No it's not fake. The Russian state certainly doesn't think so, and the Nazis haven't claimed that it is. Consiquently there's no evidence to support the claim that it's fake.

The NSR is so small and unheard of it's probably a front group for one of the mainstream Nazi organisations.

[INDK]

It was absolutely gruesome to watch and I am completely enraged at watching it, now that I see that it may be real (I at first figured it was simply Nazis trying to instill fear within enemies). I hope that those motherfuckers get worse.

[AntifaHooligan]

I read somewhere that it was fake, but I don't see how you could fake a video like that-it looks even more realistic than the Al Queda beheading videos. What evidence is there that it's fake? Looks pretty damn real to me.

The russian police took a good look at it and found out it was fake. Dont ask me how they did it, but the russian cops should know

[Forward Union]

The russian police took a good look at it and found out it was fake. Dont ask me how they did it, but the russian cops should know

Link please.

I've heard the absolute opposite from all sides.

[AntifaHooligan]

Link please.

I've heard the absolute opposite from all sides.

Read it on the website of a russian newspaper, and I saw a video on YouTube from russian TV news. Dont remember the name of the video or where I read it, but here is another article

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Russian_neo-Nazi_beheading_video_a_fake_Report/articleshow/2476033.cms

[w0lf]

It's fake. But whoever staged this needs to be killed.

[AntifaHooligan]

It's fake. But whoever staged this needs to be killed.

Yeah, in an even more horrific way. What do you guys think about giving them the good ol Brazen Bull after the revolution? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazen_bull) :D

[Forward Union]

so, no proof of it being fake?

[Omi]

Yeah, that sure is what our movement needs! More talk about killing fash, ''confronting them physically'' etc etc.

Won't you understand? The anti-fascism movement isn't about ''bashing fash'', ''crushing nazis'', or looking nasty and msn/forum/chatsite spam nazis.


What will killing a fashist do to our leftist movement? An entire witch hunt on leftist thinkers and revolutionaires.

Anti-Fasism is reducing the risk of fashist/national-socialist/etc. ideas to rise up during time of depression, revolution, etc. Everybody knows that it will cause a threat to the proletariat and will end in a dictatorial regime. That ís what happened in germany in the 20's/30's. That is how hitler rose to power.

How can we reduce this risk? This calls for a variety of tactics. Informing people, having manifestations against racism/discrimination/hatred and in favour of the proletariat, and keep these system-huggers from taking over the streets. Like what is happening in the ''gefreitene zones'' in west germany, where anti-fashists and immigrants can't walk the streets anymore without being bully'd by these cockroaches.

Do not, ever, base your ideas around hate, or violence. 'Violence' can be a tactic at times, but let it not be a goal. That is what these fash do.

Blocking a fashist march through a well populated area will not let these people terrorize and furthermore polarize society. Killing random people in gruesome ways and posting it on the internet, is not gonna help you in any way.

That being said, I want you to look closely:

''Remember everyone, killing a fascist is only a crime in the eyes of the police!''

''The russian police took a good look at it and found out it was fake. Dont ask me how they did it, but the russian cops should know ''

Your belief/hate in/of the system contradicts itself.

Why do you think, if that even happened, russian authority will say it is staged? Do you think that this strongly authoritarian government of them would worry about the death of one who would risk everything to overthrow it?

Please, AntifaHooligan, think before you write. Or even act.
Antifa hooligans are just some self declared thugs bragging on the www about how much nazis they have killed last summer. The people they painstakingly make little movies about and upload it to youtube, they do not need fame. They do not need worship. The people in these clips dó risk arrest and severe beating for the sake of their strong belief in the overthrow of the system, and the liberation of the poor and surpressed. These are the real anti-fashists.

[Pia Fidelis]

so, no proof of it being fake?

Exactly. Are you trying to tell me that a group of rag-tag Nazis in Russia have better special effects capacity than Hollywood?

The video looked damn real to me, and I am of the opinion that the Russian government would rather just claim the video to be fake so as to "calm" the international media attention.

[Che_Guevara_67]

The video is staged. But i agree, no rest until all fascists are dead.
We should really start using lethal force against the fascists. Remember everyone, killing a fascist is only a crime in the eyes of the police!

I agree completely. Fascist groups hide behind the First Amendment and "law enforcement" agencies do nothing. When the government does actually take action, such as with Ruby Ridge and Waco, there is an international outcry. However, when the government takes out non-racial supremacy groups, most people have no problem with it. I agree something needs to be done, but while the corporate-controlled media portrays fascists as "patriots", any action against them will be viewed as terrorist.

[AntifaHooligan]

QUOTE (Originally posted by Omi):

Your belief/hate in/of the system contradicts itself.

Why do you think, if that even happened, russian authority will say it is staged? Do you think that this strongly authoritarian government of them would worry about the death of one who would risk everything to overthrow it?

Please, AntifaHooligan, think before you write. Or even act.
Antifa hooligans are just some self declared thugs bragging on the www about how much nazis they have killed last summer. The people they painstakingly make little movies about and upload it to youtube, they do not need fame. They do not need worship. The people in these clips dó risk arrest and severe beating for the sake of their strong belief in the overthrow of the system, and the liberation of the poor and surpressed. These are the real anti-fashists

MY ANSWER: So because I think the police are telling the truth I "believe in the system"? Shut up.

I mean, take a good look at the video. There was very little blood, and no struggle. Its fake.

If you take a good look at history aswell, physical confrontation is the best weapon against fascism. If you were living under WW2, wouldnt you be advocating the use of violence against the fascists? Well, the fascists are jsut as big a threat now as they were in the war. Especially in Russia, where it is on the rise. It needs to be stopped, and punished after the revolution!

(For some reason I couldnt quote the text, so I just wrote "QUOTE" and "ANSWER")

[Dr Mindbender]

Yeah, in an even more horrific way. What do you guys think about giving them the good ol Brazen Bull after the revolution? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazen_bull) :D
thats a good idea, except instead of a brass bull we should use a 'hollowed-out' brass statue of lenin.
:D

[Omi]

QUOTE (Originally posted by Omi):

Your belief/hate in/of the system contradicts itself.

Why do you think, if that even happened, russian authority will say it is staged? Do you think that this strongly authoritarian government of them would worry about the death of one who would risk everything to overthrow it?

Please, AntifaHooligan, think before you write. Or even act.
Antifa hooligans are just some self declared thugs bragging on the www about how much nazis they have killed last summer. The people they painstakingly make little movies about and upload it to youtube, they do not need fame. They do not need worship. The people in these clips dó risk arrest and severe beating for the sake of their strong belief in the overthrow of the system, and the liberation of the poor and surpressed. These are the real anti-fashists

MY ANSWER: So because I think the police are telling the truth I "belief in the system"? Shut up.

I mean, take a good look at the video. There was very little blood, and no struggle. Its fake.

If you take a good look at history aswell, physical confrontation is the best weapon against fascism. If you were living under WW2, wouldnt you be advocating the use of violence against the fascists? Well, the fascists are jsut as big a threat now as they were in the war. Especially in Russia, where it is on the rise. It needs to be stopped, and punished after the revolution!

(For some reason I couldnt quote the text, so I just wrote "QUOTE" and "ANSWER")


No, I don't say you believe in the system, that's why I wrote ''/hate'' with it. I just say that your first statement is contradicting the second. Your intense disbelief in the structure of todays law, against the believe in -russian- authorities. I won't make statements about this video whether it is staged or not, because I simply don't know, and so don't you.

I believe you have a very strong and firm belief in the struggle of the working class, no doubt about it. I just think you need a little more nuance in your posts for they are a bit macho and not really constructive. Especially when it is in almost any thread here on Anti-Fascism.

And don't take this personal either, for there is way to many 'thug-ness' in our movement altogether. You simply where the final drop, if you know what I mean. ;)

[AntifaHooligan]

No, I don't say you believe in the system, that's why I wrote ''/hate'' with it. I just say that your first statement is contradicting the second. Your intense disbelief in the structure of todays law, against the believe in -russian- authorities. I won't make statements about this video whether it is staged or not, because I simply don't know, and so don't you.

I believe you have a very strong and firm belief in the struggle of the working class, no doubt about it. I just think you need a little more nuance in your posts for they are a bit macho and not really constructive. Especially when it is in almost any thread here on Anti-Fascism.

And don't take this personal either, for there is way to many 'thug-ness' in our movement altogether. You simply where the final drop, if you know what I mean. ;)

Yeah, im not taking it as an insult or anything.
Btw, the reason i post so much in anti-fascism is because its the issue that concerns me the most ;)

[jaffe]

Yeah, that sure is what our movement needs! More talk about killing fash, ''confronting them physically'' etc etc.

Won't you understand? The anti-fascism movement isn't about ''bashing fash'', ''crushing nazis'', or looking nasty and msn/forum/chatsite spam nazis.


What will killing a fashist do to our leftist movement? An entire witch hunt on leftist thinkers and revolutionaires.

Anti-Fasism is reducing the risk of fashist/national-socialist/etc. ideas to rise up during time of depression, revolution, etc. Everybody knows that it will cause a threat to the proletariat and will end in a dictatorial regime. That ís what happened in germany in the 20's/30's. That is how hitler rose to power.

How can we reduce this risk? This calls for a variety of tactics. Informing people, having manifestations against racism/discrimination/hatred and in favour of the proletariat, and keep these system-huggers from taking over the streets. Like what is happening in the ''gefreitene zones'' in west germany, where anti-fashists and immigrants can't walk the streets anymore without being bully'd by these cockroaches.

Do not, ever, base your ideas around hate, or violence. 'Violence' can be a tactic at times, but let it not be a goal. That is what these fash do.

Blocking a fashist march through a well populated area will not let these people terrorize and furthermore polarize society. Killing random people in gruesome ways and posting it on the internet, is not gonna help you in any way.

That being said, I want you to look closely:

''Remember everyone, killing a fascist is only a crime in the eyes of the police!''

''The russian police took a good look at it and found out it was fake. Dont ask me how they did it, but the russian cops should know ''

Your belief/hate in/of the system contradicts itself.

Why do you think, if that even happened, russian authority will say it is staged? Do you think that this strongly authoritarian government of them would worry about the death of one who would risk everything to overthrow it?

Please, AntifaHooligan, think before you write. Or even act.
Antifa hooligans are just some self declared thugs bragging on the www about how much nazis they have killed last summer. The people they painstakingly make little movies about and upload it to youtube, they do not need fame. They do not need worship. The people in these clips dó risk arrest and severe beating for the sake of their strong belief in the overthrow of the system, and the liberation of the poor and surpressed. These are the real anti-fashists.

je neemt de woorden uit mijn mond :)

[AntifaHooligan]

thats a good idea, except instead of a brass bull we should use a 'hollowed-out' brass statue of lenin.
:D

And the idea of the day goes tooooo....

[Dr Mindbender]

And the idea of the day goes tooooo....
also the head section should have quadruple glazing in the eye sockets so the fash can view out as their tormentors laugh hysterically!

[Colonello Buendia]

Though we should stop the fash, we shouldn't go around killing them because we would look like the aggressor. having said that I think the perpetrators of the beheadings fake or real should be beaten to within an inch of their lives then locked in U.S.' Brazen Lenin to buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurn and I like the eye idea

[Comrade Rage]

Even if it was fake (which I am beginning to doubt) it takes a sickening person to do such a thing.

[F9]

fascists must die!:star: not for a video but for there actions against inoscent people and their stupid fucking ideas that they had in their small brains!

[NoGodsNoMasters]

I saw that video as well. It is hard to get something like that out of your head.

Stuff like that really gets my heart rate up and makes me want to do something.

- Chance

[Gitfiddle Jim]

I haven't seen the video and nor do i want to. Beheading a fellow human being is a fucking sickening act and i hope the culprits are strung up, whether fake or not.

[Holden Caulfield]

Communists have no deadlier enemies than fascists and Nazis, and the battle has never stopped. They want to attack us and kill us, and believe me, the feeling is mutual. If there is anything that can clear up this foolish sectarianism on revleft, it is this. They have attacked and killed our people and our comrades for almost 90 years. We should not rest until every fascist is dead.

apparently not when i post a thread on the antifa forum for the first time and within 10 posts a antifa anarchist tell me i cant call anything i do against fascists antifa as i believe in the state and so obviously am a nazi in disguise,

step up Wat, ****s

[jaffe]

probably guys from eastern-europe who lived through state-communism.

[Holden Caulfield]

i have my doubts they lived through that, and even if they were that would be a reactionary attitude

[jaffe]

Not all of them, but a lot of them did (or their parents) .
Why is the rejection of any form of authority reactionary?

edit: and you seem to forget that many old communist partys in Eastern Europe are reactionary themselves.
For example the Russian Communist Party who took part in an anti-gay/transsexual demonstration.