Revolution to achieve Communism?

[spartan]

Now lets take a hypothetical situation where the whole world is under a Stalinist style regime of the same sorts as seen in the USSR.

Now the ruling elite (The Bureaucracy) will claim that we are living in a Socialist society.

Now thats all well and good but the next stage on from Socialism is Communism.

Now if we use Socialism as the transitory stage then when the whole world is Socialist, as is claimed in this hypothetical society, we will eventually pass peacefully into the final perfect stage of Communism.

Now we all know that to get to Socialism we had to smash the Bourgeoisie who owned and controlled all productive forces in the former Capitalist society that we lived in.

But under a Stalinist system a Bureaucracy owns and controls all productive forces in society (Much in the same manner as the Bourgeoisie in a Capitalist society does) not the workers.

So do we really expect the Bureaucrats to just give up all the power that they have to allow us to pass peacefully to Communism?

The Bourgeoisie didnt peacefully give up their power when we fought for Socialism so why should the Bureaucrats do it?

If we followed the Stalinist method towards (What they call) "Socialism" we would surely have to have another bloody revolution to overthrow the Bureaucrats and get to the next stage of Communism (Or Socialism seeing how the Stalinist system that we would be living in wouldnt really be Socialist in the true sense of the word but merely a more authoritarian State Capitalism)?

If we dont rise up from this Stalinist system then surely we would end up in the same sort of society as George Orwells "1984" book?

Thoughts?

[Kitskits]

If the bourgeoisie is totally destroyed, the stalinists would be forced to agree that there is absolutely no need for a state in the marxist meaning. So if the state still exists the masks would fall and it would become clear that we've passed from stalinist socialism to plain fascism.

[spartan]

If the bourgeoisie is totally destroyed, the stalinists would be forced to agree that there is absolutely no need for a state in the marxist meaning. So if the state still exists the masks would fall and it would become clear that we've passed from stalinist socialism to plain fascism.

Yes but we could then go to a 1984 style society where everything just stays the same and the party rewrites history to fit its current agenda (Just like Stalin did when he rewrote the Russian revolution to give himself a more prominent role).

In this style of society the proles are apathetic and dont care as long as they have their bare essentials.

Thats why we cant allow this Stalinist style society to ever be allowed to be implemented in any country ever again.

The risk to peoples freedom is simply to great!

[kromando33]

What's with this 'ruling elite bureucracy' crap that you keep citing, I have seen no evidence that under Stalin's General Secretariat that the USSR was controlled by the administrative wing of the public service, it is actually it rather improbable.

'Stalinism' (in fact Marxism-Leninism), is simply the self-determination of the working masses, you should use a little self-criticism spartan to correct your deviationist and revisionist views. You should use Marxist material analysis rather than buying into Trotskyist economic conspiracy theories which bear more resemblance to the Nazi 'Jews control finance capitalism' myth than to Marxist theory.