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Entrails Konfetti
29th December 2007, 03:37
Okay, so we know that the proletarian revolution will be born from the womb of imperialism, because imperialism has the ability to produce for the world three times over. We know that there is such a thing as class-consciousness and interests, we know that the proletariat can run society on its own, and illegitimize the old bourgeoisie state, by dealing a blow which fragments it, and preventing its coordination.

Now onto the questions; in a post revolutionary period some of us envision the workers unitary organizations enacting rationaing systems, price controls, greater working/living conditions, and maybe a system of LTVs, how do such systems lay the foundation for such an infrastructure that ensures an equal access to all materials for free?

We know that the creation of profit neccesitiates poverty at one pole and wealth at the other. The impovershed pole doesn't have the infrastructure of the wealthy one. How do we build such an infrasture to ensure equal access to resources for all? How do we organize such a distribution system? Will people still want to be stockers, truck drivers, and dock-workers? The only way I can think of why anyone would want to be such is that they would have the power, so theyd have more say, and actually design new systems of distribution.

But still this doesn't answer the question, and I'm probably going to be accused of utopian thinking since I'm trying to look in the "mists of the future, of which no one can predict". But, I'm not asking for predictions but just a few ideas, that will be thrown around in conference halls. We need to have some ideas of how its is possible to equally distribute the thrice produced resources of the world at both poles, otherwize if we keep telling people " we cant predict what this new society will look like" they will doubt themselves, and continued to be conquered and divided by the bourgeoisie. Alot of Communists say we must have super-abundance inorder to have Communism, yet we already have super-abundance, it just the infrastructure for it needs to be built, and I repeat, no one seems to have ideas of how this infrastructure should be built. We can't tell the proletariat to fight for Communism when we don't have any ideas of how to build its infrastructure.

Entrails Konfetti
30th December 2007, 19:57
Anyone have any ideas on how to build such an infrastructure? Comments?

black magick hustla
30th December 2007, 23:59
Originally posted by EL [email protected] 30, 2007 07:56 pm
Anyone have any ideas on how to build such an infrastructure? Comments?
Democratic planned economies.

Ben Seattle
31st December 2007, 04:07
Hi El Kablamo,

I have written about this kind of thing extensively.

You may be interested in an article I wrote (fairly short and easy to read) with the title: "Politics, Economics and the Mass Media when the Working Class Runs the Show" at http://struggle.net/alds/essay_153_content.htm

I have written longer articles in the anarcho-leninist debate on the state at http://struggle.net/ALDS/ and "The Self-Organizing Moneyless Economy" at http://Leninism.org/SOME/

I would be very interested in your opinions of these articles

Sincerely,
Ben Seattle

Entrails Konfetti
31st December 2007, 06:49
Originally posted by Marmot+December 30, 2007 11:58 pm--> (Marmot @ December 30, 2007 11:58 pm)
EL [email protected] 30, 2007 07:56 pm
Anyone have any ideas on how to build such an infrastructure? Comments?
Democratic planned economies. [/b]
I understand workers-councils and their planning of the economy, but in order to distribute this wealth how will society be best shaped to fit with it? How will the warehouses operate, if we even need any, how will the peasants and the poor be moved out of their shanties. Will we all end up living in very large apartment like complexes? ect ect

RNK
31st December 2007, 09:21
Socialist society may operate very similarly to how today's society is run, with a few critically important differences. Centralization will need to be a theme, as no large-scale society can exist without some form of organized communication and planning to "fit all the pieces together". Warehouses, to use your example, will become, essentially, public property, whose use and utility is ordained by municipal representatives, offices and commities who are tasked with managing such things. For instance, in any given city, there may be a "Minister of Public Storage" or some such office that is headed by rotating elected officials who manage such tasks, who holds public assemblies on the matter for those interested; likewise, they could come under the authority of municipal councils, who vote for some poor schmuck who's tasked with running said warehouse, maintaining a staff for this warehouse, all of whom are paid by the proletarian state.

As for the peasants, they will of course be able to organize into communal councils and co-operatives who will be able to communicate with other similar councils and co-ops to work out some sort of plan to better their quality of life. If there's a centralized state authority of elected representatives then it stands to reason that the peasants will have elected representatives somewhere in the state body who will be able to press their needs forward (and if he does not, then he can be recalled; and if the centralized authority refuses, the peasants, under the right to self defense, will be able to struggle for their rights if they need to).

This, I think, is what Marx and Lenin meant when they wrote about class struggle becoming intensified in a socialist society, and how the people, freed from rule by a select and independant few, and who now have the reigns of control, will have to essentially "hammer out" the most equitable solutions to societal and economic problems. Communist theory, by and large, does not contain a how-to guide to run society after the bourgeois monopoly on state power is gone. It is, if anything, a quick-start guide that opens up the avenues to change. Like you said, we've not developed the ability to see into the future, and such change, its exact details, are not known. What is known is that change is possible, and a better world is possible, and it'll be all of our responsibilities to figure it out once we (the people) are given the chance to.