Homosexualism

[legitimategenius]

Greetings everybody! I am just doing this to learn and survey the numerous opinions people have over homosexualism. Many people say it is a bourgeois decadence but then other people say it is ok and should be legalzid in commnism or socialism. Please people post your opinions,

[lacysquid]

sex in general isnt decadent. sex is wonderful, powerful, amazing, and should never be frowned upon, its a raw emotion and raw feelings coming from the soul.

homosexuality is perfectly fine, and myself being hypocritical if I spoke against it.

[Pawn Power]

I really don't understand the question. What opinions are we suppose to post?

[lacysquid]

Originally posted by Pawn [email protected] 28, 2007 10:46 pm
I really don't understand the question. What opinions are we suppose to post?
i think personal opinions of homosexuality.

...i think.

[legitimategenius]

Yea weather you support or denounce homosexualism to be a bourgeois decdence

[black magick hustla]

silly silly adolf.

homophobes get restricted btw

[Dr Mindbender]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28, 2007 10:58 pm
Yea weather you support or denounce homosexualism to be a bourgeois decdence
'homosexualism' sounds like a pseudo fascist terminology like 'multinationalism' or 'racialism'.

the philosophy that homosexuality is a product of capitalist decadence is generally not accepted outside the maoist sphere of influence and frowned upon certainly by mainstream western left wingers.

[lacysquid]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28, 2007 11:04 pm
silly silly adolf.

homophobes get restricted btw
good.

but at least lets not let him go without a fight, if he is a nazi.

[Dr Mindbender]

whats the point? It'll probably end in an outburst of childish strawmen like ''ha ha stupid commies! Me and my bnp mates will teach you how to fight!'' As is usually the case with fascist trolls.

[legitimategenius]

WTF im a legitimate marxist-leninist-maoist and repudiate any revisionist or opportunist tendencies.

[Faux Real]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28, 2007 02:58 pm
Yea weather you support or denounce homosexualism to be a bourgeois decdence
Mind posting your opinion on homosexuality?

Personally, I don't care for people's sexuality unless I'm attracted to them myself.

[Pawn Power]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28, 2007 05:58 pm
Yea weather you support or denounce homosexualism to be a bourgeois decdence
how can sexuality be bourgeois?

[Dr Mindbender]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28, 2007 11:11 pm
WTF im a legitimate marxist-leninist-maoist and repudiate any revisionist or opportunist tendencies.
the fact you felt compelled to start this thread is worrying.

The fact that homophobia is a restrictable offence should make it obvious what the majority concensus is on the issue.

[legitimategenius]

Im asking what you think abut homosexualism. I am not saying it;s bourgeois. I myself am against homosexuality.

[Dr Mindbender]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28, 2007 11:17 pm
I myself am against homosexuality.
Then you do not belong outside of the Opposing ideaologies board.

[legitimategenius]

Well i despise fascist tendencies and naything relatd to such. I believe homosexuality is a product of US imperialism of the current system in order.
Look at the shining path in Peru they are against homosexuality and You cannot say they are revolutionaries or communists, They are truly communists.

[lacysquid]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28, 2007 10:38 pm
Many people say it is a bourgeois decadence but then other people say it is ok and should be legalzid in commnism or socialism. Please people post your opinions,
vs.


I am not saying it;s bourgeois. I myself am against homosexuality.


and why are you against it.

before the thread is closed, I like to see people squirm a bit.

[Dr Mindbender]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28, 2007 11:21 pm
Well i despise fascist tendencies and naything relatd to such. I believe homosexuality is a product of US imperialism of the current system in order.

that is more or less Hitler's view on the issue as well.

[spartan]

Well i despise fascist tendencies and naything relatd to such. I believe homosexuality is a product of US imperialism of the current system in order.
Look at the shining path in Peru they are against homosexuality and You cannot say they are revolutionaries or communists, They are truly communists.
Oh dear.

I guess its bye bye to you then you homophobe bastard.

[legitimategenius]

Why will you close it huh? Homosexualism is a bourgeois decadence becauce it itself is a product of bourgeois capitalism. Even Chairman mao stated this. Homosexuality is a bourgeois alienaated degeneration.

[lacysquid]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28, 2007 11:21 pm
Well i despise fascist tendencies and naything relatd to such. I believe homosexuality is a product of US imperialism of the current system in order.
Look at the shining path in Peru they are against homosexuality and You cannot say they are revolutionaries or communists, They are truly communists.
You've jumped from potential troll to potential ban-territory in one swoop.

Homosexuality isnt a product of US imperialism whatsoever, if anything, quite the opposite. The religious right would like a word.

Are you honestly trying to engage in a debate, or did two men kissing make you feel icky?


You cannot say they are revolutionaries or communists, They are truly communists.

what the christ are you trying to get at?

[Dr Mindbender]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28, 2007 11:29 pm
Why will you close it huh? Homosexualism is a bourgeois decadence becauce it itself is a product of bourgeois capitalism. Even Chairman mao stated this.
...but rejected by other mainstream communists. When you look at who has to profit from homophobia you can see that this bigotry is actually a weapon of the beourgioise.

Heterosexual couples spend excessive amounts on bringing up children so of course the capitalists are going to demonise and alienate any deviation from the nuclear family model.

[midnight marauder]

...but rejected by other mainstream communists. When you look at who has to profit from homophobia you can see that this bigotry is actually a weapon of the beourgioise.

Heterosexual couples spend excessive amounts on bringing up children so of course the capitalists are going to demonise and alienate any deviation from the nuclear family model.

I think that's rather reductionist. The capitalist class is united on many class based issues, yes, but it's hardly heterogeneous when it comes to its social opinions, no pun intended. That's why the Democratic Party, which represents ruling class interests, can be generally supportive (although in a very restrained sense) of certain LGBT issues while the Republican Party is at the same time campaigning for constitutional amendments defining marriage as one man, one woman.

Of course, that's a great move for the Republicans -- it gets them votes from the Social Republican sector of the population whose entire political paradigm is centered on these sorts of issues. The merger of the Economic Republicans in Washington with reactionary social values is one of the key reasons the party has the support it does today.

Besides that, homosexuality is a multi-billion (http://www.nglcc.com/) dollar (http://www.gay.com/business/) market (http://www.echelonmagazine.com/index.htm). While racism is a completely different form of discrimination in a multitude of ways, what I stated recently in a topic on that subject holds true for heterosexism (in the strictest sense) as well: individual capitalists will sometimes be reactionary on social matters, and they'll sometimes be progressive. It all depends on what they can profit from.

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This thread belongs in Opposing Ideologies. Moved.

[Jazzratt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28, 2007 11:29 pm
Why will you close it huh?
Close what? This thread? Not a chance.


Homosexualism is a bourgeois decadence becauce it itself is a product of bourgeois capitalism.

This is interesting, have you considered taking this theory to a reputable group of biologists? Homosexuality hasn't been classed as a mental illness for years and is recognised, almost universally, as an inborn preference rather than anything that can be truly be attributed to things as nebulous as "decadence".


Even Chairman mao stated this.

Mr. Mao didn't have the benefit of the decades of scientific research into human sexuality that we have.


Homosexuality is a bourgeois alienaated degeneration.

It's a sexual preference you bucket of camel jizz.

[Kwisatz Haderach]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29, 2007 01:29 am
Homosexualism is a bourgeois decadence becauce it itself is a product of bourgeois capitalism.
Yes! Every time I get exploited as a worker I feel the urge to have sex with other men! And no one was ever homosexual before capitalism came around. That's why homosexuality was never encountered in pre-capitalist cultures, like Ancient Greece.

Fine print: Yes, the above was sarcasm.

[Patchd]

I hate gays, I think they're evil... :unsure:

No, anyways, whether homosexuality is bourgeois decadence or not, it does not mean that it should be criminalised in a Socialist society. Surely, if it is bourgeois decadence, then it would wither away through the process of Communism, but then the working class will whither away as a class in the process also, as there is no need to criminalise the proletariat, there is no reason to criminalise homosexuality.

...oh, I'm gay btw, for any unsuspecting mods.

EDIT: Oh, and what is Homosexualism? Is that some kind of gay nationalism?

[Ismail]

On the issue of decadence, it is (somewhat) true that gays in the US for example are known for doing odd things (lisping, having sex with many, many people to absurd extremes, etc) but to say that it represents all of homosexuality is odd. I doubt a homosexual man in Albania or Uzbekistan for example would happily approve of his US counterpart. Now, as to why the gay movement in the US has attracted such people is simple: the whole counter-culture movement of the 1960's and the resulting encouragement VIA marketing and other such ways.

Since the counter-culture movement was essentially a big "fuck you" to conventional thinking, irrelevant things were done and the old left suffered greatly while the new left began focusing on social issues that mattered more to them than workers rights such as environmentalism. Since homosexuality was obviously condemned beforehand, some gays decided to amplify the stereotypes because of the counter-culture, and thus a decadent culture was formed similar to the view of the slacking/apathetic teenager, the female types with cellphones and a shallow personality decayed by capitalism, etc. Today, that same culture is being encouraged by marketing and is making quite a bit of revenue. But to say that homosexuality is inherently decadent is incorrect as there are plenty of gay people who act completely normal.

AIDS also forced homosexuals underground even more, worsening things. With the abolishment of capitalism, marketing these stereotypes (which drag down the gay rights movement) will be abolished as will the image of the rich gay man who offends every conservative viewpoint ever held in the history of mankind. I seriously doubt that when a man discovers he is gay that he immediately sets out to do this.


Even Chairman mao stated this.Hoxha believed that homosexuality encouraged male chauvinism against women and thus was bourgeois. He also came from a Sunni Islamic family and was born in 1908 although received a good education in France. Mao was much worse in this regard. Point is, Communist leaders can be wrong on things, and homosexuality was widely considered incorrect at this point by just about everyone.

Short version: Communism will liberate the gay community.

[Dr Mindbender]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29, 2007 02:06 am
Hoxha believed that homosexuality encouraged male chauvinism against women and thus was bourgeois. .
Really? What was Hoxha's take on lesbianism then?

[Ismail]

Originally posted by Ulster Socialist+December 28, 2007 09:10 pm--> (Ulster Socialist @ December 28, 2007 09:10 pm)
[email protected] 29, 2007 02:06 am
Hoxha believed that homosexuality encouraged male chauvinism against women and thus was bourgeois. .
Really? What was Hoxha's take on lesbianism then? [/b]
Lesbians weren't known much in those times. I assume any lesbians that existed kept their views hidden. (or repressed, especially since before Socialist Albania they were really backwards and couldn't even divorce their husbands, and if the husbands divorced them they had to strip naked in front of their own family and basically drive an ox cart like an ox around the tribe/town while their husband whipped them)

[Raúl Duke]

I believe homosexuality is a product of US imperialism of the current system in order.

:lol: Product of US imperialism? :rolleyes:

Take note that homosexuality is older than the US itself.


Even Chairman Mao stated this.

<_<

Is this how "political masterminds" (arguable to be sure) are to be treated? Like idols/gods? Their word/writing treated like unquestionable scripture?

All because Chairman Mao said it doesn&#39;t mean anything.

Chairman Mao might have been great as a guerrilla leader, but that doesn&#39;t mean he&#39;s knowledgeable in human sexuality.

[Sickle of Justice]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28, 2007 11:17 pm
Im asking what you think abut homosexualism. I am not saying it;s bourgeois. I myself am against homosexuality.
why?

and also, what the fuck does homosexuality have to do with economic/social systems? regardless of what you beleive about homosexuality, saying that it is bourgeousie is not only homophobic, but also irrational. are there bourgoisie gays? yeahhh. bourgoisie straights? yep. even if the stereotype is that gays are bougoisie (or actors, or promiscuous, orwaiters with lisps) this doesn&#39;t make a damn difference with gays in general. as far as i know there are homosexuals of every species (except those who reproduce without sex, obviously). homosexuality is a natural thing, completely independant for political/economic systems, and ESPECIALLY independant of americas position in the global sphere.

also, what the fuck is homosexualism? an ideology that says gays are superior? seriously....

oh, and what about bisexuality? (bisexualism?) i notice it is unmentioned.

[Great Helmsman]

True maoists know that just because Marx, Stalin, or Mao said something about homosexuality doesn&#39;t make it an appropriate line. Instead we use their method. That&#39;s what distinguishes true revolutionaries from dogmatists and personality worshipers.

[Asoka89]

He&#39;s a crazy Pol Pot worshiping, "rural maoist" or whatever that means, who doesnt like gays, i think he deserves a restrict, you cant argue or rationalize with these people

[TC]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28, 2007 11:29 pm
Why will you close it huh? Homosexualism is a bourgeois decadence becauce it itself is a product of bourgeois capitalism. Even Chairman mao stated this. Homosexuality is a bourgeois alienaated degeneration.
Even chairman mao stated it? Where?

http://www.google.com/search?as_sitesearch...ual&select1=%23 (http://www.google.com/search?as_sitesearch=www.marxists.org%2Freference% 2Farchive%2Fmao%2F&hl=en&ie=8859-1&oe=8859-1&as_occt=body&num=30&btnG=Google+Search%21&as_epq=&as_oq=homosexual&select1=%23)

Mao Zedong Reference Archive yeilds no hits on google for the words &#39;homosexual&#39; &#39;homosexuality&#39; or &#39;gay&#39;.

Stop slandering Mao.

[Big Red]

homosexuality has been around since way way before capitalism let alone us imperialism so uhh, what r u talking about?

[Dr Mindbender]

...not to mention the fact that it&#39;s not just confined to the human species.

[Dros]

a.) Homosexualism is not a fucking word.

b.) Homosexuality is not a bourgeois decadence. It is a sexual preference that some are born with and some choose (most are born with) that impacts all sections of society and is not something bad or good.

c.) Under socialism, we don&#39;t make rules that restrict someones personal freedoms or choices.


I myself am against homosexuality.

Fuck off. You should be banned.


I believe homosexuality is a product of US imperialism of the current system in order.

Wow. Homosexuality (which has been discovered in over 1000 species of animal world wide and has existed since humanity did) is caused by US imperialism. This explains why homosexuals live everywhere. Wow.


im a legitimate marxist-leninist-maoist

:lol: :lol:
Don&#39;t flatter yourself. You&#39;re an MIMite nutter.


Even Chairman mao stated this

Oh I see. Your religios about your Marxism. How wonderful.

And where did he say that exactly?

[Bilan]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29, 2007 02:06 am
Hoxha believed that homosexuality encouraged male chauvinism against women and thus was bourgeois. .

Then Hoxha is a stupid ****, and calling yourself a &#39;Hoxhaist&#39; is worrying. Do you hold this position?

[spartan]

This is yet further evidence on why the majority of Stalinists, Maoists and Hoxhaists etc shouldnt be taken seriously on the left (Not that they are) or on revleft anymore.

I mean at the very least these MIM nutters dont deserve the ability to air their reactionary beliefs outside of OI?

[Dros]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30, 2007 11:04 pm
This is yet further evidence on why the majority of Stalinists, Maoists and Hoxhaists etc shouldnt be taken seriously on the left (Not that they are) or on revleft anymore.
Have you even read this thread?(Almost) All of the Stalinists, Maoists, and Hoxhaists have been extremely critical of this bullshit. This nut is not a Maoist. He is a MIMite turd. Big difference. I agree they should be restricted (if not banned for dumb-fuckery).

In fact, all of the Hoxhaists and Maoists have stated that Hoxha&#39;s and Mao&#39;s (alleged) position was incorrect and based on a.) the prevalent ideology of the time and b.) poor scientific evidence.

[Yardstick]

Originally posted by Proper Tea is Theft+December 30, 2007 10:59 pm--> (Proper Tea is Theft @ December 30, 2007 10:59 pm)
[email protected] 29, 2007 02:06 am
Hoxha believed that homosexuality encouraged male chauvinism against women and thus was bourgeois. .

Then Hoxha is a stupid ****, and calling yourself a &#39;Hoxhaist&#39; is worrying. Do you hold this position? [/b]
maybe you should reread his post :/

[¡Viva la Libertad&#33;]

Homosexuality created as a result of U.S. imperialism, haha&#33; :lol: I&#39;m sorry, that makes me fucking crack up. I mean just the fact that you&#39;d even believe that for a second has me in tears&#33;

[Don't Change Your Name]

I doubt that&#39;s what he thinks. He probably believes that homosexuality is some "immoral decadent behaviour" that gets spread through "immoral decadent capitalism" :lol:

In any case this is ridiculous...unless, of course, he has any evidence and an hypothesis that explains it.

I&#39;m concerned about this new ideology called "homosexualism"...is it planning to take power and force all of us to be gay? :lol:

Beware of -isms and of people who invent them to create a unified cliché about certain position or idea or group of people who share it (which I&#39;m sure is easier to attack).