88tube - Neo-nazi YouTube

[AntifaHooligan]

This is SICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :angry:

http://www.88tube.net

Like 99% of the vids are immigrants being killed/beaten

[lvleph]

Looks like it is time to get to work on that site.

These are the organizers of the site. (http://www.orderofwhiteknights.org/)

[Jazzratt]

This shows something worrying, we had an idea for "redtube" on this site a while back - collections of communist, anarchist and antifascist videos that could be made accessible to the average internet user - however this is yet to come to fruition whereas this fucking "88tube" shit has come off the ground.

This tells me something distressing about our organisational skills :(

[spartan]

I agree Jazzratt but the question is where do these Fascists get there funding from?

Who among them are so dedicated that they will waste lots of their time and money on this new website to get their message of hate across?

That is whats most scary.

[Jazzratt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28, 2007 07:44 pm
I agree Jazzratt but the question is where do these Fascists get there funding from?
Fascism appeals greatly to the petit-bourgeoisie historically so it is possible that a number of the people behind it are small business owners with a fair chunk of disposable income.

This is not so say that the fascist movement is composed entirely, or even mostly, of petit-bourgeois individuals, indeed it is a disease that many working class people are - unfortunately- susceptible to (as has been discussed many times before) but it is likely that the p-b are funding this.


Who among them are so dedicated that they will waste lots of their time and money on this new website?

Many of them, Fascism (like most fringe ideologies) breeds a kind of insane and unquestioning loyalty.

[lvleph]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28, 2007 02:39 pm
This shows something worrying, we had an idea for "redtube" on this site a while back - collections of communist, anarchist and antifascist videos that could be made accessible to the average internet user - however this is yet to come to fruition whereas this fucking "88tube" shit has come off the ground.

This tells me something distressing about our organisational skills :(
This is the second one. Do a search for 88Tube Owners and you will see discussion of this being a second one.

[RedAnarchist]

No surprise here, but the ScumFronters seem to have noticed 88tube - http://www.***************/forum/search.php?searchid=4298711

[Comrade Rage]

I did a Network Solutions check on them and they're identities are being protected... by none other than Network Solutions

Originally posted by WHOIS
Domain name: 88TUBE.NET

Registrant Contact:
Whois Privacy Protection Service, Inc.
Whois Agent ([email protected])
+1.4252740657
Fax: +1.4256960234
PMB 368, 14150 NE 20th St - F1
C/O 88TUBE.NET
Bellevue, WA 98007
US

Administrative Contact:
Whois Privacy Protection Service, Inc.
Whois Agent ([email protected])
+1.4252740657
Fax: +1.4256960234
PMB 368, 14150 NE 20th St - F1
C/O 88TUBE.NET
Bellevue, WA 98007
US

Technical Contact:
Whois Privacy Protection Service, Inc.
Whois Agent ([email protected])
+1.4252740657
Fax: +1.4256960234
PMB 368, 14150 NE 20th St - F1
C/O 88TUBE.NET
Bellevue, WA 98007
US

Status: Locked

Name Servers:
ns1.1st-amendment.net
ns2.1st-amendment.net

Creation date: 20 Aug 2007 22:22:05
Expiration date: 20 Aug 2008 22:22:05

It looks like they reserved the name right as we were talking about our 'redtube' idea.

The 1st-amendment.net servers are white-nationalist-crap servers. They host a lot of racist crap, not just this.

[AntifaHooligan]

We really should report the site. They have uploaded the Russian beheading video and everything.

I made an account there to see if I can find out some more about the people on the site.

[lacysquid]

i dont want to bust anyones bubble here, but redtube is taken, and its for porn. amateur porn at that. youporn is better.
*ashamed at knowing that*

well, would someone take the risk of registering an account and uploading massive anti-nazi/fascism videos? i dont think it would change their viewpoints, and really infuriate them, now that I think of it.

but lord, i hate white nationalists, which is sort of ironic.

[RedAnarchist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28, 2007 09:32 pm
i dont want to bust anyones bubble here, but redtube is taken, and its for porn. amateur porn at that. youporn is better.
*ashamed at knowing that*

Yeah we know about that site, so our YouTube account is called redtube2007 and we have plans for a site called LeftTube or something.

[AntifaHooligan]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28, 2007 09:32 pm
i dont want to bust anyones bubble here, but redtube is taken, and its for porn. amateur porn at that. youporn is better.
*ashamed at knowing that*

well, would someone take the risk of registering an account and uploading massive anti-nazi/fascism videos? i dont think it would change their viewpoints, and really infuriate them, now that I think of it.

but lord, i hate white nationalists, which is sort of ironic.
Great idea! We can upload lots of footage of nazis being beaten up!
Wont help, but it will really piss em off... and it would be fun :lol:

Im making a new account

[Comrade Rage]

Originally posted by AntifaHooligan+December 28, 2007 03:19 pm--> (AntifaHooligan @ December 28, 2007 03:19 pm) We really should report the site. They have uploaded the Russian beheading video and everything.

I made an account there to see if I can find out some more about the people on the site. [/b]
Good job. I don't know what country it is where these two servers operate from, but I believe that since Network Solutions is based in America, that they wouldn't have to comply with a foreign subpeona. :(

The good news I stumbled upon about 30 min. ago is that ns1.1st-amendment has been knocked offline by hackers. :D :D :D YAY :D :D :D

We'll probably have to rely on people taking initative like that to beat this site.


lacysquid
i dont want to bust anyones bubble here, but redtube is taken, and its for porn. amateur porn at that. youporn is better.
*ashamed at knowing that*
Yeah, we already talked about that in the redtube/revtube thread.

The domain name I mean, not about our personal tastes in porn. :blush:

[AntifaHooligan]

Im gonna upload this vid :lol:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=sPRehpz3-EY

[Comrade Rage]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28, 2007 03:41 pm
Im gonna upload this vid :lol:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=sPRehpz3-EY
That was a great one. What's that language? Sounds German.

[lacysquid]

Originally posted by COMRADE [email protected] 28, 2007 09:38 pm
[QUOTE=AntifaHooligan,December 28, 2007 03:19 pm]
Yeah, we already talked about that in the redtube/revtube thread.

The domain name I mean, not about our personal tastes in porn. :blush:
well, we could do some leftist porn.

some guy reading a marx statement while watching two lesbians go at it. best of both worlds
*stops derailing thread*

anyway, revtube actually sounds like a good idea. do we have the webspace necessary or the time to code it all?

[AntifaHooligan]

Originally posted by COMRADE CRUM+December 28, 2007 09:50 pm--> (COMRADE CRUM @ December 28, 2007 09:50 pm)
[email protected] 28, 2007 03:41 pm
Im gonna upload this vid :lol:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=sPRehpz3-EY
That was a great one. What's that language? Sounds German. [/b]
Russian I think.

It will probably get deleted, but I will upload it again and again and again, plus other vids in the same genre

[Comrade Rage]

Originally posted by AntifaHooligan+December 28, 2007 03:52 pm--> (AntifaHooligan @ December 28, 2007 03:52 pm)
Originally posted by COMRADE CRUM+December 28, 2007 09:50 pm--> (COMRADE CRUM @ December 28, 2007 09:50 pm)
Originally posted by AntifaHooligan+December 28, 2007 03:41 pm--> (AntifaHooligan @ December 28, 2007 03:41 pm) Im gonna upload this vid :lol:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=sPRehpz3-EY [/b]
That was a great one. What's that language? Sounds German. [/b]
Russian I think. [/b]
I though that too. It's an excellent one regardless.

AntifaHooligan
It will probably get deleted, but I will upload it again and again and again, plus other vids in the same genreYeah, it's already been flagged for 'adult content'. The Nazis have been trawling YT and flagging vids. It's what originally gave us the idea for our own YouTube version.


[email protected]
well, we could do some leftist porn.
Might not be a bad idea...


lacysquid
anyway, revtube actually sounds like a good idea. do we have the webspace necessary or the time to code it all?
That of course, was where it fell apart. I don't know why, seeing as leftists are certainly (on average) more gifted with computers than fascists.

Money's probably our most pressing concern.

[lacysquid]

Originally posted by COMRADE CRUM+December 28, 2007 10:01 pm--> (COMRADE CRUM @ December 28, 2007 10:01 pm)

Originally posted by [email protected]
well, we could do some leftist porn.
Might not be a bad idea...


lacysquid
anyway, revtube actually sounds like a good idea. do we have the webspace necessary or the time to code it all?
That of course, was where it fell apart. I don't know why, seeing as leftists are certainly (on average) more gifted with computers than fascists.

Money's probably our most pressing concern. [/b]
I just realized that the whole "leftist porn" idea could solve the "money problem"

I cant help out with that, though. Two more years.

[AntifaHooligan]

Im trying to upload the vid, but it says "XLM-page cannot be shown" etc.

[Comrade Rage]

Originally posted by lacysquid+December 28, 2007 04:08 pm--> (lacysquid @ December 28, 2007 04:08 pm)
Originally posted by COMRADE CRUM+December 28, 2007 10:01 pm--> (COMRADE CRUM @ December 28, 2007 10:01 pm)

[email protected]
well, we could do some leftist porn.
Might not be a bad idea...


lacysquid
anyway, revtube actually sounds like a good idea. do we have the webspace necessary or the time to code it all?
That of course, was where it fell apart. I don't know why, seeing as leftists are certainly (on average) more gifted with computers than fascists.

Money's probably our most pressing concern. [/b]
I just realized that the whole "leftist porn" idea could solve the "money problem" [/b]
You may be on to something, but then we come back to the pressing concern of making a site to host the videos and pictures. :lol:

[AntifaHooligan]

If you are going to do leftist porn, get the girl at 1:09 in this antifa vid to starr in it please :wub:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=zo_sJOVzNxI

Anyway, we could report the site. Or even better, we could hack it. Antifa is hacking nazi sites all the time, im sure we could take this one?

[Comrade Rage]

Originally posted by AntifaHooligan+December 28, 2007 04:13 pm--> (AntifaHooligan @ December 28, 2007 04:13 pm) If you are going to do leftist porn, get the girl at 1:09 in this antifa vid to starr in it please :wub:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=zo_sJOVzNxI [/b]Seconded.

AntifaHooligan
Anyway, we could report the site. Or even better, we could hack it. Antifa is hacking nazi sites all the time, im sure we could take this one?I think it'll be up to Antifa to hack the site, since the US doesn't take action against these kinds of sites. Also, now will be the time to do it, as they are functioning at 50% server capabilities.

[Bilan]

I think it would've been cooler if they called it "88tubes" or "88tube(s)".
:lol:
But seriously, kind of not suprising, Fascists are generally pretty well off, don't you know.

[Dr Mindbender]

Can i suggest Revtube? I already prepared a logo and everything but none of you fuckers took it on board. Can we start a poll on adopting this moniker for the 'left wing youtube'?

[img]http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/ulstersocialist/revtube.jpg' alt='' width='619' height='443' class='attach' /> (http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/ulstersocialist/revtube.jpg)

[lacysquid]

Originally posted by Ulster [email protected] 28, 2007 11:23 pm
Can i suggest Revtube? I already prepared a logo and everything but none of you fuckers took it on board. Can we start a poll on adopting this moniker for the 'left wing youtube'?

I love the sickle and hammer R, but I dont like the youtube font (thats just me)

also the "liberate yourself" tagline is perfect.

the logo for revleft done in a graffiti-esque design might work for revtube too.

[Dr Mindbender]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28, 2007 11:37 pm

also the "liberate yourself" tagline is perfect.


:lol:
glad you like it - that was a deliberate punt at the youtube tagline.

[spartan]

Sorry US but i am sure Leftube was decided upon as the name of our left wing youtube as it includes all the various ideological beliefs of the left (Anarchists, Communists, Socialists, etc) unlike revtube (Though i would say that the "rev" part gives a connection to the website that started this left wing youtube, revleft).

Here is a link to a site set up a few weeks ago by one of our members but it looks like this member isnt bothering with it anymore :(

http://www.leftube.com/

[w0lf]

Good name^^

It brings a tear to my eye watching those 88tube videos..sad as hell people feel that way..

[Dr Mindbender]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28, 2007 11:52 pm
Sorry US but i am sure Leftube was decided upon as the name of our left wing youtube as it includes all the various ideological beliefs of the left (Anarchists, Communists, Socialists, etc) unlike revtube (Though i would say that the "rev" part gives a connection to the website that started this left wing youtube, revleft).

Here is a link to a site set up a few weeks ago by one of our members but it looks like this member isnt bothering with it anymore :(

http://www.leftube.com/
if no-ones bothering then why not ditch 'leftube' (badly spelt anyway) and start up 'revtube' instead? And yes, it would be a good idea to have the name linking it to this forum.

[w0lf]

Couldn't we just have a "videos" section on this site. Not a forum thread, but a page.

[lvleph]

Anyone interested, they allow ssh root login. Oh and btw so does this site. That may be something you want to change.

[Lenin II]

Originally posted by Ulster [email protected] 28, 2007 11:23 pm
Can i suggest Revtube? I already prepared a logo and everything but none of you fuckers took it on board. Can we start a poll on adopting this moniker for the 'left wing youtube'?

[img]http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/ulstersocialist/revtube.jpg' alt='' width='619' height='443' class='attach' /> (http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/ulstersocialist/revtube.jpg)
I love it! Absolutely love it! What can I do to support Revtube, exactly? These sick racialist vermin must not be allowed to spread their message of petit-bourgeoisie zoological hatred amongst the world uncontested. We should upload as many videos to our website as possible and post on youtube about it as well--anything we can do to advertise our message.

[Colonello Buendia]

I saw one of The 88 tube videos with a live beheading in it, I was furious for days, I the posted a blog on Bebo and even more people got pissed off, fuck I hate nazis, and I love the revtube logo

[w0lf]

Originally posted by Dr [email protected] 29, 2007 06:07 pm
I saw one of The 88 tube videos with a live beheading in it, I was furious for days, I the posted a blog on Bebo and even more people got pissed off, fuck I hate nazis, and I love the revtube logo
You and me both comrade. The comments on that video got me more mad. Two young guys are just murdered for no reason and the nazi scum take goddam pride in it.

[AntifaHooligan]

Originally posted by w0lf+December 29, 2007 06:34 pm--> (w0lf @ December 29, 2007 06:34 pm)
Dr [email protected] 29, 2007 06:07 pm
I saw one of The 88 tube videos with a live beheading in it, I was furious for days, I the posted a blog on Bebo and even more people got pissed off, fuck I hate nazis, and I love the revtube logo
You and me both comrade. The comments on that video got me more mad. Two young guys are just murdered for no reason and the nazi scum take goddam pride in it. [/b]
The video is fake, so... hooray! :)

Anyway, could this article be helpful to the "RevTube" project?
http://blog.kovyrin.net/2006/10/08/lighttp...-for-streaming/ (http://blog.kovyrin.net/2006/10/08/lighttpd-memcoder-flvtool-for-streaming/)

Another idea: A revolutionary radio station. Yeah, I know we have Radio Rebelde, but its just music on it. We should have some actual programs, with political discussion, call-ins, etc.

[which doctor]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28, 2007 04:19 pm
We really should report the site. They have uploaded the Russian beheading video and everything.
Who would you report it too?

[AntifaHooligan]

Originally posted by FoB+December 29, 2007 07:04 pm--> (FoB @ December 29, 2007 07:04 pm)
[email protected] 28, 2007 04:19 pm
We really should report the site. They have uploaded the Russian beheading video and everything.
Who would you report it too? [/b]
I dunno. Im sure it must be against the law to have an own web-site for ultra-violent racist videos. Hate-sites are illegal in many countries, for example Russia, as I would think the creators of this site are from. I know the russian police closed the Format18 site in march.

[Comrade Rage]

Originally posted by AntifaHooligan+December 29, 2007 01:07 pm--> (AntifaHooligan @ December 29, 2007 01:07 pm)
Originally posted by FoB+December 29, 2007 07:04 pm--> (FoB @ December 29, 2007 07:04 pm)
Originally posted by [email protected] 28, 2007 04:19 pm
We really should report the site. They have uploaded the Russian beheading video and everything.
Who would you report it too? [/b]
I dunno. Im sure it must be against the law to have an own web-site for ultra-violent racist videos. Hate-sites are illegal in many countries, for example Russia, as I would think the creators of this site are from. I know the russian police closed the Format18 site in march. [/b]
I know that Germany has a 'universal jurisdiction' policy on these sites, that meaning that anyone anywhere participating in these hate-sites can be arrested once in Germany.

Ulster Socialist: Excellent initiative. We've gotta get this thing off the ground.


[email protected]
Another idea: A revolutionary radio station. Yeah, I know we have Radio Rebelde, but its just music on it. We should have some actual programs, with political discussion, call-ins, etc.Yeah, a thread was started on this a while back but no one could find a way to broadcast anything. I know that where I live, there are about 5 religious AM stations that collect donations that barely keep their heads above water, maybe we could find a way to buy a struggling radio station.


AntifaHooligan
The video is fake, so... hooray! :) I heard the same thing. I was pretty happy for a second and then pissed at the scum who would stage such a thing.

[Jazzratt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28, 2007 09:19 pm
We really should report the site.
No we shouldn't. Running to bourgeois authorities about people we don't like making websites is likely to blow up in our faces. What we need to do is find some people who are good at doing so to pull the fucking thing off the internet - we shouldn't limit our direct confrontations with them to simple street fights, the enemy is evolving and so must we. Force them out of cyberspace in the same way we force them off the streets - i.e. through direct attacks rather than snivelling to our bosses.

[Fawkes]

Originally posted by COMRADE CRUM+December 28, 2007 04:50 pm--> (COMRADE CRUM @ December 28, 2007 04:50 pm)
[email protected] 28, 2007 03:41 pm
Im gonna upload this vid :lol:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=sPRehpz3-EY
That was a great one. What's that language? Sounds German. [/b]
It's Russian.

And as a wrestler, I have to say that I am pretty impressed with that guys takedown abilities. The throws and takedowns he was executing are difficult enough to do against an opponent on a mat, let alone on the icy ground.

[Colonello Buendia]

Originally posted by Jazzratt+December 30, 2007 12:55 am--> (Jazzratt @ December 30, 2007 12:55 am)
[email protected] 28, 2007 09:19 pm
We really should report the site.
No we shouldn't. Running to bourgeois authorities about people we don't like making websites is likely to blow up in our faces. What we need to do is find some people who are good at doing so to pull the fucking thing off the internet - we shouldn't limit our direct confrontations with them to simple street fights, the enemy is evolving and so must we. Force them out of cyberspace in the same way we force them off the streets - i.e. through direct attacks rather than snivelling to our bosses. [/b]
I absoulutely agree we can't just go running to our bosses, my sister does it when we argue, she goes straight to mum and it serves to get me angrier so no ratting of the fash, what we need to know is give them a cyberslap at every opportunity and drop kick them off the net.


and, how exactly did they fake that video? the head came clean off someone please explain what the fuck happened?

[Colonello Buendia]

Originally posted by Jazzratt+December 30, 2007 12:55 am--> (Jazzratt @ December 30, 2007 12:55 am)
[email protected] 28, 2007 09:19 pm
We really should report the site.
No we shouldn't. Running to bourgeois authorities about people we don't like making websites is likely to blow up in our faces. What we need to do is find some people who are good at doing so to pull the fucking thing off the internet - we shouldn't limit our direct confrontations with them to simple street fights, the enemy is evolving and so must we. Force them out of cyberspace in the same way we force them off the streets - i.e. through direct attacks rather than snivelling to our bosses. [/b]
I absoulutely agree we can't just go running to our bosses, my sister does it when we argue, she goes straight to mum and it serves to get me angrier so no ratting of the fash, what we need to know is give them a cyberslap at every opportunity and drop kick them off the net.


and, how exactly did they fake that video? the head came clean off someone please explain what the fuck happened?

[lvleph]

I thought that video was real. I remember hearing about it, and thought the people were put in prison for it. However, when I watched it, I did think it was fake, but then recalled that it was supposedly real. The flapping skin on the neck is what made me think it was fake. Also, I didn't see any struggle once the cutting began. There also, didn't seem to be enough blood. Lastly, the blood was still coming out after the person would have been dead. People don't bleed when they are dead, at least not in any appreciable quantity.

I did, however, have a very hard time watching it.

EDIT: New sources saying it is a fake
TOI (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Russian_neo-Nazi_beheading_video_a_fake_Report/articleshow/2476033.cms)
SMH (http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/neonazi-beheading-video-a-fake/2007/10/20/1192301098201.html)

[palotin]

Those fuckwads. What is Network Solutions? Do they have a history of supporting hate sites?

[Autonome-Antifa]

he is a other version on youtube http://www.jewtube.com

[Autonome-Antifa]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lp7877N3G1I


good antifa video.

[AAFCE]

I saw the beheading video on 88Tube.. Man..

[kasama-rl]

This shows something worrying, we had an idea for "redtube" on this site a while back - collections of communist, anarchist and antifascist videos that could be made accessible to the average internet user - however this is yet to come to fruition whereas this fucking "88tube" shit has come off the ground.

I completely agree. The youtube type videos are a very popular form of exposure, agitation and fun -- and should be a much more powerful and creative part of our work. I think we need to circulate music vids, satire, the blasphemy challenge type video movements, news, exposure of the systems crimes, and more.

I have been posting (http://mikeely.wordpress.com)the best videos i come across on my own blog, and would love to be part of a larger project of gathering and circulating such vids. Can we do it here on RevLeft?

In the meanwhile if you post links to radical videos on my blog, i will post them for others to pick up.

(My current video posts are here (http://mikeely.wordpress.com/category/special/video/).)

Yours in the struggle for a liberated world

http://mikeely.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/nineletters_banner2.jpg (http://mikeely.wordpress.com)

[Bazza]

This shows something worrying, we had an idea for "redtube" on this site a while back - collections of communist, anarchist and antifascist videos that could be made accessible to the average internet user - however this is yet to come to fruition whereas this fucking "88tube" shit has come off the ground.

This tells me something distressing about our organisational skills :(

I have a group on YouTube called Revolution Rock. It features videos by left wing bands & artists. So far there's around 200 members. Here is the link if anyone wants to have a look -

http://uk.youtube.com/group/revolutionrock

[Mr. Path-e-fist]

Shooting guns at trees. Damn, everyone we are DOOOMED.

[RedAnarchist]

I have a group on YouTube called Revolution Rock. It features videos by left wing bands & artists. So far there's around 200 members. Here is the link if anyone wants to have a look -

http://uk.youtube.com/group/revolutionrock

That looks impressive, well done.:)

[Gitfiddle Jim]

Youtube is probably the biggest gathering of Nazis anywhere in the world. There are way too many "sieg heil" videos for the liking of any civilised person.

I typed a couple of anti-Nazi comments on one of the videos, and got 10 or so replies calling me "dirty commie", "nigger lover", "fucking jew" and "antifa *****" to name a few. Just shows how uneducated these people are, if the term "people" actually deserves to be designated to them.

And I love the idea of a RedTube style site (not the porno, although a little bit would do no harm :D).

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

Revtube would be great redtube sounds good buts its also a pornography site.

[RedAnarchist]

Revtube would be great redtube sounds good buts its also a pornography site.

Noone on YouTubes messaged us asking for porn yet, so I think it's ok for now:lol:

[palotin]

This is beyond fucked up.

[Orange Revolution]

I have a group on YouTube called Revolution Rock. It features videos by left wing bands & artists. So far there's around 200 members. Here is the link if anyone wants to have a look -

http://uk.youtube.com/group/revolutionrock

can I suggest adding some Oi Polloi, particularly recommend 'Bash the Fash', and 'Let the boots do the talking'. see link below for some...

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=oi+polloi&search_type=&search=Search


reading the commentary on the Revleft YouTube Channel link regarding deletions of socialist videos dated sept 2007, I think it would be a good idea to start a YouTube group, get all at revleft on the case and flood them with said banned videos faster than they can fucking delete them!

Beat the Nazis at their own game, challenge them at every level!

[Crest]

I'd do some intel, but the link doesn't work for me :/

[palotin]

I'd prefer Revtube over redtube if only because not everyone here is a red. Revtube is a bit more straightforward than 'redblacktube'.

[Crest]

How about leftube?

[Crimson Skull]

Stupid Nazi's think Freedom of Speech only applies to them.