Homophobia

[graffic]

Are all straight men and women "homophobic"? The word homophobic means someone is "scared" or hostile in a sense to gays or lesbians. My natural reaction to men on men action is to cringe, in fact myself and most male people I know do feel slightly awkward talking to a gay man who is maybe single- for obvious reasons. This is all natural, however some people would class this as homophobia.

This is just a thought, I'm not advocating anything - and I'm not against gays and lesbians in any way obviously. It just made me think that are straight people always going to be hostile to homosexuals, is this human nature and are certain people going against peoples natural reactions when they throw the term homophobic at anyone who seems slightly uneasy around gay people. What are the revolutionarys views on this...

[lvleph]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28, 2007 08:23 am
Are all straight men and women "homophobic"? The word homophobic means someone is "scared" or hostile in a sense to gays or lesbians. My natural reaction to men on men action is to cringe, in fact myself and most male people I know do feel slightly awkward talking to a gay man who is maybe single- for obvious reasons. This is all natural, however some people would class this as homophobia.

This is just a thought, I'm not advocating anything - and I'm not against gays and lesbians in any way obviously. It just made me think that are straight people always going to be hostile to homosexuals, is this human nature and are certain people going against peoples natural reactions when they throw the term homophobic at anyone who seems slightly uneasy around gay people. What are the revolutionarys views on this...
I don't feel awkward speaking to gay men that are single. I don't see why I should feel awkward. The only time I feel awkward is when I get hit on, and that is because it is something I am not use to. Women in my experience are not as aggressive as men and so it is something I am not use to.

[Marsella]

Are all straight men and women "homophobic"?

No. Sexual preference does not necessarily mean hatred of other sexual preferences.


The word homophobic means someone is "scared" or hostile in a sense to gays or lesbians.

That may be what the word literally means, however homophobia seems to apply a more active, rather than passive, stance towards homosexuals.


My natural reaction to men on men action is to cringe, in fact myself and most male people I know do feel slightly awkward talking to a gay man who is maybe single- for obvious reasons.

I suggest you grow up.

It is purely your problem if you feel uncomfortable talking to someone with a different sexual preference to your own.

Normal people really don't give a fuck when talking to someone who is of a different sexual persuasion.

Because some make their decisions based on someone's character rather than their sexual preference.

Apparently you don't.


This is all natural, however some people would class this as homophobia.

Here's what it boils down to.

Sexual preference is a personal choice.

Being disgusted by someone's sexual choice is all well and nice.

Changing your demeanor to someone, because you presumably are scared of being fucked in the arse, is nonsense.

And how is it natural?


It just made me think that are straight people always going to be hostile to homosexuals, is this human nature and are certain people going against peoples natural reactions when they throw the term homophobic at anyone who seems slightly uneasy around gay people.

By your same analogy, homosexuals will always be hostile to heterosexuals because they would feel 'scared' or 'hostile' and cringe over 'natural sex' owing to their 'human nature.'

But that isn't the case.

Homophobia has much more to do with outdated views rather than 'natural homophobia.'

[Luís Henrique]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28, 2007 01:23 pm
Are all straight men and women "homophobic"? The word homophobic means someone is "scared" or hostile in a sense to gays or lesbians.
The word "homophobic" means "prejudiced against homosexual people". Yes, it's etymology is contorted, but words are like that. If you want to take it really literally, it doesn't mean "scared or hostile towards gays or lesbians" either, it means "scared of the same", which evidently makes no sence at all.


It just made me think that are straight people always going to be hostile to homosexuals,

Only when they are repressed homosexuals, ie, when they are "afraid to like it".

I don't think every woman finds me sexually attractive, why should I believe I am every gay man's wet dream?

Luís Henrique

[Luís Henrique]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28, 2007 01:43 pm
a more active, rather than passive, stance towards homosexuals.
:lol:

Unintentional joke of the year.

Luís Henrique

[Jazzratt]

Originally posted by Luís [email protected] 28, 2007 02:04 pm
I don't think every woman finds me sexually attractive, why should I believe I am every gay man's wet dream?

Luís Henrique
Yeah this is something I've never really understood about homophobes, the way they're so arrogant in their assumptions about how attractive they are.

[Robert]

What I don't get about homosexuals is how attractive they think their positions are.

[RedAnarchist]

Originally posted by Robert the [email protected] 28, 2007 03:08 pm
What I don't get about homosexuals is how attractive they think their positions are.
Positions? Sexual or political?

[pusher robot]

It's not "fear" that straights (mainly men it seems) feel toward homosexuals, it's disgust at the thought of gay sex. The problem is that this entirely legitimate emotional response affects your perception of another person. Disgusting knowledge about a person taints that person in complex psychological ways.

[mikelepore]

In addition to meaning fear, another meaning of "-phobic" is a tendency to avoid associating with or mixing with, the opposite of "-philic", having a tendency to associate with or mix with. Some chemists call nonpolar molecules hydrophobic (example - oil and water don't mix). Hydrophobic ("hard") contact lenses versus hydrophilic ("soft") contact lenses.

[Dr Mindbender]

heterosexual men who feel uncomfortable around gay men are in subconcious denial.

End of thread.

[Robert]

I feel uncomfortable around gay women. Does this means I am a closet lesbian trapped in a man's body? could this be why I have loved women all these years?

[Mujer Libre]

Originally posted by Robert the [email protected] 29, 2007 02:46 am
I feel uncomfortable around gay women. Does this means I am a closet lesbian trapped in a man's body? could this be why I have loved women all these years?
No, it means you're a douchebag.

[RedAnarchist]

Originally posted by Robert the [email protected] 29, 2007 02:46 am
I feel uncomfortable around gay women. Does this means I am a closet lesbian trapped in a man's body? could this be why I have loved women all these years?
You feel uncomfortable around gay women because you know you can't sleep with them, seeing as you're an obvious misogynist as well as an homophobe.

[Rollo]

Originally posted by Mujer Libre+December 29, 2007 01:17 pm--> (Mujer Libre @ December 29, 2007 01:17 pm)
Robert the [email protected] 29, 2007 02:46 am
I feel uncomfortable around gay women. Does this means I am a closet lesbian trapped in a man's body? could this be why I have loved women all these years?
No, it means you're a douchebag. [/b]
I change my mind, THIS is in fact the dumbest thread I have ever been in, I need to stay out of OI more often. What I want to know is where exactly these people are getting their ideas, I was a cappie kiddie for a long time and never developed any of this stupidity.


Quote, best thing said in the thread so far.

[Sickle of Justice]

Originally posted by Robert the [email protected] 28, 2007 03:08 pm
What I don't get about homosexuals is how attractive they think their positions are.
this statement makes no sense what so ever.

what positions?

why do homosexuals find their positions attractive? i know a lotta gay people, and i've never noticed anything about positions.

if you're saying that you don't understand why gay people are atracted to people of the same gender (which is the closest thing to what you said that makes any sense) then you are very closedminded. some men like men and some womyn like womyn. some men like womyn and some womyn and some womyn like men.

end of story.

oh and the thread as a whole?

if you see gay people in a negative light because of their sexuality, you suck. i don't know if you can technically be considered "homophobic", but yer an asshole.

[Dr Mindbender]

Originally posted by Robert the [email protected] 29, 2007 02:46 am
I feel uncomfortable around gay women. Does this means I am a closet lesbian trapped in a man's body? could this be why I have loved women all these years?
the vast majority of homophobic men I've encountered havent got a problem with watching lesbian pornography. I've always found that double standard at once both remarkable and repugnantly hypocritical.

[pusher robot]

Originally posted by Ulster Socialist+December 29, 2007 03:41 pm--> (Ulster Socialist @ December 29, 2007 03:41 pm)
Robert the [email protected] 29, 2007 02:46 am
I feel uncomfortable around gay women. Does this means I am a closet lesbian trapped in a man's body? could this be why I have loved women all these years?
the vast majority of homophobic men I've encountered havent got a problem with watching lesbian pornography. I've always found that double standard at once both remarkable and repugnantly hypocritical. [/b]
Remarkable, maybe, but how is is hypocritical? That makes no sense.

[Y Chwyldro Comiwnyddol Cymraeg]

Do right handed people feel scared of left handed people?
Sexual preference is no different...


Apart from the fact that all gay men, especially single ones, are known to jump upon straight guys in the middle of a conversation. That, I gather, is your narrow mineded opinion. Now grow up

[graffic]

Do right handed people feel scared of left handed people?
Sexual preference is no different...

Thats the funniest analogy Ive ever heard. Well done.

Psychology is the thing people are not addressing here, sexual preference is a very complex thing - i.e falling in love - what love does to people, this is completely different to "what hand you use to write". Most peoples lives are based around people they love - hence why sexual preference is a very emotional deep rooted thing.

This isnt the point though, my point is that as a straight male I will always feel awkward socialising with single gay men - just the same as I would if I was socialising with someone who likes to bum sheep. (obviosly i'm not comparing that to gay sex)



heterosexual men who feel uncomfortable around gay men are in subconcious denial


Denial? Ive already said that i have no problem with what people do in their bedrooms or anywhere else. The issue is that myself and most males feel uncomfortable around other homosexual men. This is my natural reaction - as a male species, whether you like it or not most men think about sex alot. Hence why the issue of sex is alot more complex than what people have compared it too on this thread.

I suppose this should be in the science forum

[Y Chwyldro Comiwnyddol Cymraeg]

The point I was trying to make whilst comparing it to left handedness, is...

At one time people used to try and change this "un-natural" feature in children, but now it is accepted as a mere personal, natural preference. Hopefully, in the near future, sexuality will be viewed thus. Being bi or homo-sexual is natural for most.

Anyway back to the point...

Do women feel that single hetro men will rape then mid-conversation? NO

So if a man feels thus with a gay man...then he has a clear prejudice against homosexuals

[Robert]

I feel uncomfortable around gay women. Does this means I am a closet lesbian trapped in a man's body? could this be why I have loved women all these years?


It's a joke, you humorless morons.



What I don't get about homosexuals is how attractive they think their positions are.




This too is a joke, you humorless morons.

Nobody here gives a shit what you do or don't do in your bedroom.

[Jazzratt]

Originally posted by Robert the [email protected] 29, 2007 11:17 pm
Nobody here gives a shit what you do or don't do in your bedroom.
These (http://www.godhatesfags.com) people (http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/rossuk/h-exgay.htm) certainly (http://www.gop.com/) give (http://www.conservapedia.com/Main_Page) a (http://www.islam-quran-sunnah.blogspot.com/) shit (http://www.chick.com/default.asp).

As do the rulers of the countries highlighted in red here. (http://www.sodomylaws.org/)

Oh and of course hundreds of otherwise ordinary men and women. Bigotry affects everyone, stop being a complacent twat about it.

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Pusher Robot: It is a double standard to condemn gay men for having homosexual sex whilst tacitly approving of gay women when they engage in the same thing. Although this is often the stance of the bigoted fuckwit - homophobia against men and sexual objectification against women.

[Robert]

It is arguably to your credit that you don't know the difference between sodomy and cunnilingus, but once you understand it, you will see that "hypocrisy" is not the word you're looking for.

As to the Republicans, many do condemn gays, but I know of no initiative of theirs, or of any other mainstream political party, to outlaw homosexuality or its practice. The silly Defense of Marriage Act (overwhelmingly supported by your Democrat friends in Congress) I am sure hurt some feelings, but it has no effect on your bedroom practices, so you may continue doing ... whatever it is you do in there ... without fear.

Now tell us which President signed the Defense of Marriage Act, my ill-educated friend?

[Jazzratt]

Originally posted by Robert the [email protected] 30, 2007 03:03 am
It is arguably to your credit that you don't know the difference between sodomy and cunnilingus,
The specific acts aren't important, cockdribble, it's the act of same sex sexual intercourse that is condemned by homophobes and to keep consistency they should stop tossing off over lesbian porn (which can contain scenes of sodomy involving a foreign object and, of course, "scissoring" (the technical term for which escapes me currently)). Also most countries with anti-sodomy legislation prosecute lesbians.


but once you understand it, you will see that "hypocrisy" is not the word you're looking for.

You really are a cretin.


As to the Republicans, many do condemn gays, but I know of no initiative of theirs, or of any other mainstream political party, to outlaw homosexuality or its practice.

I picked the Republican party because they are generally recognised as the more homophobic of the two parties, although as you point out this is perhaps not entirely correct.


The silly Defense of Marriage Act (overwhelmingly supported by your Democrat friends in Congress)

Democrat friends? This isn't the DU, mate, we all loathe the demo****s here.


I am sure hurt some feelings, but it has no effect on your bedroom practices, so you may continue doing ... whatever it is you do in there ... without fear.

It's still legislation which denies rights to people based on some aspects of them that should be considered trivial in any civilised society.


Now tell us which President signed the Defense of Marriage Act, my ill-educated friend?

Clinton, wasn&#39;t it? He was a big fan of reactionary bills and, of course, unnecessary wars in the middle east (a bit like your current <s>jester</s> president).

[Luís Henrique]

Originally posted by Robert the [email protected] 30, 2007 03:03 am
the difference between sodomy and cunnilingus
Both rule, but annilingus is even better. :P

Luís Henrique

[Robert]

Here&#39;s a tip: Brush your teeth often.

[Robert]

You really are a cretin

Fuck Your Opinion.

[Jazzratt]

Originally posted by Robert the [email protected] 30, 2007 05:01 pm

You really are a cretin

Fuck Your Opinion.
Touché

[Dr Mindbender]

Originally posted by pusher robot+December 29, 2007 07:06 pm--> (pusher robot @ December 29, 2007 07:06 pm)
Originally posted by Ulster [email protected] 29, 2007 03:41 pm

Robert the [email protected] 29, 2007 02:46 am
I feel uncomfortable around gay women. Does this means I am a closet lesbian trapped in a man&#39;s body? could this be why I have loved women all these years?
the vast majority of homophobic men I&#39;ve encountered havent got a problem with watching lesbian pornography. I&#39;ve always found that double standard at once both remarkable and repugnantly hypocritical.
Remarkable, maybe, but how is is hypocritical? That makes no sense. [/b]
..because those same men who get hot and bothered about 2 women going at it instinctively go &#39;&#39;ewww&#33;&#39;&#39; when they see 2 men in the same scenario.

[pusher robot]

Reflexes, by definition, cannot be hypocritical.

Have we forgotten the definition of hypocrisy here?

It would be "hypocritical" to condemn homosexuality publicly and then engage in it privately. But there&#39;s nothing hypocritical about disliking male homosexuality and not disliking female homosexually. It may be inconsistent in your eyes but it&#39;s not hypocritical.

Personally I think it goes to this issue of disgust. My hypothesis is that (straight) men are much more disgusted by male gay sex than female gay sex. I don&#39;t believe there is much if any ideological component to this reaction, so I don&#39;t think it&#39;s really bigotry so much as biological oddity.

[Comrade Rage]

Originally posted by pusher [email protected] 30, 2007 11:15 pm
I don&#39;t believe there is much if any ideological component to this reaction, so I don&#39;t think it&#39;s really bigotry so much as biological oddity.
I wouldn&#39;t even call it biological, it&#39;s just that a brisk buck is being made on girl-on-girl films and guys have watched these and become more familiar with Lesbianism. Male homosexuality is still taboo, at least more-so than Lesbianism.

[pusher robot]

Originally posted by COMRADE CRUM+December 31, 2007 05:19 am--> (COMRADE CRUM @ December 31, 2007 05:19 am)
pusher [email protected] 30, 2007 11:15 pm
I don&#39;t believe there is much if any ideological component to this reaction, so I don&#39;t think it&#39;s really bigotry so much as biological oddity.
I wouldn&#39;t even call it biological, it&#39;s just that a brisk buck is being made on girl-on-girl films and guys have watched these and become more familiar with Lesbianism. Male homosexuality is still taboo, at least more-so than Lesbianism. [/b]
Don&#39;t you wonder why brisker bucks are made from men on girl-girl films as opposed to guy-guy films?

Is it just turtles, all the way down?

[graffic]

At one time people used to try and change this "un-natural" feature in children, but now it is accepted as a mere personal, natural preference. Hopefully, in the near future, sexuality will be viewed thus. Being bi or homo-sexual is natural for most.

I don&#39;t feel naturally awkward when I talk to someone who uses a left hand to write. I don&#39;t think people did in the past, they thought it was odd so they forced people to write with their opposite hand. The issue with homosexuals is that sexuality plays a big role in the way people socialise, most men talk to women in a different manner than they would if they were talking to males.



Do women feel that single hetro men will rape then mid-conversation? NO

No but the way women + women socialise is different to the way women + men socialise. Sexual preference plays a huge role in the way humans communicate, hence why I feel awkward talking to a single gay man. Is it and will it always be human nature for straight people to feel uneasy around homosexuals? A scientific answer would be more useful.

[Robert]

It may be inconsistent in your eyes but it&#39;s not hypocritical.

Commies do not make fine distinctions. You&#39;re casting fine pearls before crude swine.

[Mujer Libre]

Originally posted by pusher robot
Reflexes, by definition, cannot be hypocritical.
Only, that&#39;s not an actual reflex, dumbfuck. It&#39;s a reaction, and the way react to most things is largely determined by culture and socialisation. Learn the difference.

[Qwerty Dvorak]

No but the way women + women socialise is different to the way women + men socialise. Sexual preference plays a huge role in the way humans communicate, hence why I feel awkward talking to a single gay man. Is it and will it always be human nature for straight people to feel uneasy around homosexuals? A scientific answer would be more useful.
For fuck sake, what kind of answer are you looking for? x+y=9z, therefore everyone's a homophobe?

Here's about as "scientific" an answer as it is possible to give on such a question: I am a human, governed, presumably, by human nature (you never specified what human nature is so I can only assume that it is something that occurs naturally in all humans). I do not feel uncomfortable in the slightest while talking to homosexuals, no, I'm not exaggerating or lying, it actually doesn't bother me at all, one bit. Therefore no, it is not human nature to feel uncomfortable around homosexuals.