Lakota Sioux Independence

[Phalanx]

I know that there is already a thread in Politics, but I think the action taken by the Lakota is actually a serious attempt at a sovereign nation.

There have been Lakota tribes that have rejected independence, but as the movement is gaining momentum, it seems more and more nations are looking closely at the American West. Although it is not in national headlines, the outside world, including Russia and South America, are taking a keen interest.

Official Site (http://www.lakotafreedom.com/)

[KC]

It hasn't been either confirmed or denied by The Lakota Nation but those that have claimed secession don't have the power to do so. As of yet it is unsure whether or not this is something actually endorsed by the Lakota Nation.

[midnight marauder]

This is extraordinarily interesting to me. I'm not optimistic by a long shot, but I'm sure to be following this as it unfolds.

What's your take on this move, Phalanx? Didn't your name used to be Tatanka Iyotanka?*




*before you sold out :P

[Robert]

I feel for them, but they can't win. The American Indians, all of them, are militarily defeated people.
They will assimilate or die.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that the Lakota themselves are in fact recent transplants to the Dakotas. They emigrated there in the 17th and 18th centuries, if I remember correctly, and drove the Cheyenne indians out of the upper plains states.

[Phalanx]

Originally posted by midnight [email protected] 25, 2007 07:18 am
This is extraordinarily interesting to me. I'm not optimistic by a long shot, but I'm sure to be following this as it unfolds.

What's your take on this move, Phalanx? Didn't your name used to be Tatanka Iyotanka?*

As long as they can keep this peaceful I think the Lakota can gain quite a bit of international recognition. The Bush/Cheney oligarchs probably won't accept this, but if we can have a more dovish politican in the Oval Office maybe some sort of deal can be worked out in the long term.


*before you sold out :P

:D

[lvleph]

They need to have delegations sent to places like Chiapas, Venezuela, Bolivia, Cuba, Russia, and Other Countries that are against US Imperialism. They could set up Embassies and maybe even get monetary support. Eventually, maybe even military support if needed.

[Phalanx]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26, 2007 01:14 pm
They need to have delegations sent to places like Chiapas, Venezuela, Bolivia, Cuba, Russia, and Other Countries that are against US Imperialism. They could set up Embassies and maybe even get monetary support. Eventually, maybe even military support if needed.
It is important to go abroad to get support from non-NATO aligned nations. However, the more pressing matter is support on the reservations for the movement. Means and the other leaders are not tribal leaders, therefore, to make this secession legitimate he must convince at the very least a majority of the Lakota reservations to break away.

And any sort of military alliance is out of the question. The Lakota are so few and so impoverished that any confrontation between the tribe and the United States would be like Germany versus Kaliningrad. It is important to keep this secession peaceful.

[Robert]

drove the Cheyenne indians out of the upper plains states.

They must have been some tough motherfuckers.

But it's still funny and sad as hell.

[Dean]

local self-determinism is always good. I am surprised that soem here oppose their "nationialist" viewpoint. Nationalism is sometimes integral for a succesfull liberation.

I fully support them, and though I doubt it will hapen, I hope they receive military aid. I wrote them an email in solidarity, I wonder if there will be any marches for them in washington - I'd love to go to one.

[Robert]

local self-determinism is always good.

Agreed. And it will almost always reject collectivism.

[pusher robot]

It's amusing, in a way, but the simple fact is that they do not have the power - either legal or militarily - to secede from the union, so it simply will not happen.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

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Russell Means is a great spokesman for the Sioux and Lakotas and whatnot: Libertarian president candidate in 1987, also active in the Republican party, an actor and musician. Especially hilarious is that he is not a legal representative of any tribe.

[which doctor]

I loled.

[Dean]

Originally posted by Robert the [email protected] 28, 2007 06:49 am

local self-determinism is always good.

Agreed. And it will almost always reject collectivism.
actually, it tends to be collectivist and reject capitalist impositions.

[which doctor]

The eve of Wounded Knee has passed and they have not yet released details of the borders of this new state.

[Great Helmsman]

All genuine communists must support the unconditional right of national self-determination for the First Nations of North America. This Lakota movement is making promising steps in that direction. While the white media ignores it, communists should continue to closely watch for developments of this kind.

[MT5678]

I don't know what to think. It is a (very minor) threat to the U.S., which I welcome. BUt the leader is libertarian, and all libertarians are douche bags who don't know anything about the nature of the state.

[RedKnight]

I recently wrote a blog post about this. http://libertariansocialist.blogspot.com/2008/01/lakota-declares-independence-from-us.html