About the third law of dialectics

[Kitskits]

Can someone explain something about the "changes move in spirals" law of dialectics?

I understand what it says exactly, no change (or series of changes) can lead one object, system etc etc in the EXACT state it was before the change (series of changes) right?

The thing that I don't understand is if this law pre-hypothesizes this: From the first and second law we see that when on of the 2 opposites prevail we have qualitative change. Ok let's say A prevails, we have the qualitative change, and then must prevail B after a certain period of time? I mean is eternal victory of A possible or B is determined to win the next battle? If it is determined to be A then B then A then B going in an endless cycle, how can someone reach communism? Does it happen by erasing the oposites? A (bourgeois) and B (proletariat)? Does the termination of the classes mean the termination of the opposites?

Have I got it correct or am I talking like an idiot?

[Rasmus]

Well, while I'm not well-versed in dialectic theory, I'm sure that in the classless society of communism, A (Bourgeois) and B (Proletariat) do not exist anylonger, creating C (Classless people, and, by some stroke of fate, the first letter in Communism), thus merging A and B, removing both effectively. If society is propelled forward by class struggle, the dissolvement of classes would then stop society from further moving forward, since there would be no conflicting interests anymore.
So, once B wins, A and B merges into C, thus ending the cycle. That's how I'd understand it with my limited understanding anyhow...

So...

Anyone want to correct me? :unsure:

[Rosa Lichtenstein]

Kitskits:


Have I got it correct or am I talking like an idiot?

You are not the idiot, the person who invented this 'Law' is, for it makes not one ounce of sense.

My advice: ignore it totally.

I have summarised my reasons for saying this here:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/rosa.l/Summar...ven-Part-01.htm (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/rosa.l/Summary_of_Essay_Seven-Part-01.htm)

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/rosa.l/Summar...en-Part-01b.htm (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/rosa.l/Summary_of_Essay_Seven-Part-01b.htm)

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/rosa.l/Summar...en-Part-01c.htm (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/rosa.l/Summary_of_Essay_Seven-Part-01c.htm)

Full explanation here:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/rosa.l/page%2007.htm

[Kitskits]

Thank you comrade Rosa, I will study the links you gave. Even if Dialectics will seem wrong to me, I hope some other philosophy will guide me because I gave full faith in Dialectics :P

[Rosa Lichtenstein]

Well, you are not alone; most Marxists do likewise.

But, the truth is that the only theory we need is Historical Materialism.