Proof that the antifa-technique is working

[AntifaHooligan]

Hi again everybody.
The last weeks, I have been in touch with the enemy (fascists, for those of you who didnt figure) through the internet (one of the reasons i havent been posting lately). They are stupid enough to think im on their side, they trust me, and they tell me stuff.

Anyway, heres to all you pussy liberal anti-fascists:
I can prove that violence is the most effective weapon against the racist hate-mongers.

One of the nazis i have been in touch with was supposed to take part in the Salem nazi march on the 8th december.
He and his bonehead friends were attacked by antifa in Stockholm two times on the times on the day before the march.
They got pretty bad injures, and most of them decided they didnt wanna march after all.

So: Beat em up, and they get scared. If they get scared, they stay away from the streets. If they stay away from the streets, they dont try to jump some innocent foreigner, and everyone is happy! :)

So :P to you liberal anti-fascists

Hah!

[PRC-UTE]

alrite, please don't use the female anatomy as an insult please.

otherwise, thanks for the report and be careful.

[Lenin II]

So: Beat em up, and they get scared. If they get scared, they stay away from the streets. If they stay away from the streets, they dont try to jump some innocent foreigner, and everyone is happy! smile.gif

Except the fascists, of course. ;)

[Pia Fidelis]

So? They will not march or be out in the streets, but will it change their views? No.

[Led Zeppelin]

Originally posted by Pia [email protected] 22, 2007 08:28 am
So? They will not march or be out in the streets, but will it change their views? No.
What will? If you try to discuss with them they'll likely ignore you and walk away or attack you (in my case anyway, given the fact that I'm not Aryan in the blue eyed blond hair fashion), so returning the favor seems more than appropriate.

[An archist]

Originally posted by Pia [email protected] 22, 2007 08:28 am
So? They will not march or be out in the streets, but will it change their views? No.
No, but it will alienate them

[AntifaHooligan]

Originally posted by Lenin [email protected] 21, 2007 10:41 pm

So: Beat em up, and they get scared. If they get scared, they stay away from the streets. If they stay away from the streets, they dont try to jump some innocent foreigner, and everyone is happy! smile.gif

Except the fascists, of course. ;)
Well, I guess they are happy to not get beat up by antifa ;)

[AntifaHooligan]

Originally posted by Pia [email protected] 22, 2007 08:28 am
So? They will not march or be out in the streets, but will it change their views? No.
No, but a fascist that isnt active (or dead) is a good fascist.

[Pia Fidelis]

Originally posted by Led Zeppelin+December 22, 2007 08:43 am--> (Led Zeppelin @ December 22, 2007 08:43 am)
Pia [email protected] 22, 2007 08:28 am
So? They will not march or be out in the streets, but will it change their views? No.
What will? If you try to discuss with them they'll likely ignore you and walk away or attack you (in my case anyway, given the fact that I'm not Aryan in the blue eyed blond hair fashion), so returning the favor seems more than appropriate. [/b]
Nothing will change their views, with the exception of some of the younger people in the "movement".

I just see that the term "fascist" used on this board to refer to this omnipresent bogeyman of sorts. With that, most people here give these losers way too much credit, thinking that they are some sort of international threat.

Personally, I say let them march in the streets, let them speak, let them hold office - none of it will be to any avail. You have to understand, the average person (in the western industrialised world) is morally opposed to fascism/nazism/racism already, and is not going to be swayed to thinking otherwise all that easily. Every western government is staunchly opposed to these ideals, and in many cases has laws forbidding such. Look at any nazi march, and look at the numbers - these "mass gatherings" are seldom all that large, and they are usually outnumbered and have to resort to police protection.

In my opinion, nazism is a blip on the radar in terms of its threat to the proletariat, and I find that far too much effort is going into combating something so meaningless. Our ultimate opponent is the capitalist - he is in power, he is supported by the average person.

We need to pick our battles correctly.

[AntifaHooligan]

Update: One of the fascist fucks are being threatened by norwegian SHARPs on his Messenger. He is seriously scared from being threatened through the internet by someone that is miles away! He has actually started excusing himself to them and stuff! :lol:

[Jazzratt]

Originally posted by Pia [email protected] 24, 2007 11:22 pm
Nothing will change their views, with the exception of some of the younger people in the "movement".
If they're not changing their views then they need a good boot up the arse.


I just see that the term "fascist" used on this board to refer to this omnipresent bogeyman of sorts. With that, most people here give these losers way too much credit, thinking that they are some sort of international threat.

In some countries the problem is more obvious than in others, but history has proved that in tuimes of turmoil (such as, say, the revolution we're trying to achieve) fascism rises along with progress. We have to face down the fascists while they are week for the same reason I would rather try to crush an acorn than a mighty oak.


Personally, I say let them march in the streets, let them speak, let them hold office - none of it will be to any avail.

Yeah, a fascist holding office won't make a difference :rolleyes: Kill yourself.


You have to understand, the average person (in the western industrialised world) is morally opposed to fascism/nazism/racism already, and is not going to be swayed to thinking otherwise all that easily.

Yeah, that's why fash parties get so many votes, everyone is so opposed to their platform on a fundamental level that they feel compelled to vote for them.


Every western government is staunchly opposed to these ideals, and in many cases has laws forbidding such.

The only one of these "many" cases I can think of is Germany.


Look at any nazi march, and look at the numbers - these "mass gatherings" are seldom all that large, and they are usually outnumbered and have to resort to police protection.

Yeah, that's because most of the fascists have put on suits and gone for the ballots over bullets option.


In my opinion, nazism is a blip on the radar in terms of its threat to the proletariat, and I find that far too much effort is going into combating something so meaningless. Our ultimate opponent is the capitalist - he is in power, he is supported by the average person.

We need to pick our battles correctly.


We fight what we can when we can.

[Jazzratt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24, 2007 11:41 pm
Update: One of the fascist fucks are being threatened by norwegian SHARPs on his Messenger. He is seriously scared from being threatened through the internet by someone that is miles away! He has actually started excusing himself to them and stuff! :lol:
I don't know which is sadder - the fact that there are a bunch of loser Internet Tough Guys in our movement or that this twat is scared of them.

[Pia Fidelis]

Originally posted by Jazzratt+--> (Jazzratt)
Yeah, a fascist holding office won't make a difference :rolleyes: Kill yourself.[/b]

Originally posted by Jazzratt+--> (Jazzratt)Yeah, that's why fash parties get so many votes, everyone is so opposed to their platform on a fundamental level that they feel compelled to vote for them.[/b]

So many votes? Name one Western-Industrial country that has a fascist party that has any chance of getting in power. People are worried because the BNP and NPD might be able to get a single seat in their respective parliaments. If these parties actually had any sway whatsoever, I would be agreeing with you. They do not have any, and they will not have any. Let them get their one or two seats - let them be put in the spotlight, people will only see their stupidity. Look at their platforms, they are short-sighted and there only to rouse intrigue/interest/outrage: these people have no idea what they would do as a government. They are there to make noise, and most people do not like the racket. Take a look at even the media response to their parties, let alone that from the people themselves.

Also, do you think that the rest of the EU, let alone the rest of the UN would stand by twiddling their thumbs as a fascist government came to fruition? Mind you this is in the case of England and Germany.


[email protected]
We have to face down the fascists while they are week for the same reason I would rather try to crush an acorn than a mighty oak.

I agree that any fascism should be opposed, and I agree that it is easier to do so at this stage then if they had any sort of power, but in comparison to the threats from many, more powerful groups, they are a footnote. The proletariat faces greater dangers from the capitalists and the religious puppeteers. It is better to crush and acorn then to cut down a tree, but if there is a mudslide heading towards your house, should you bother more with the termites in the basement?


Jazzratt
The only one of these "many" cases I can think of is Germany.

The entire EU and Canada. Even the US is increasing legislation on hate crimes.


Remember, though we might disagree, we are still together for the same cause.

[RaiseYourVoice]

The only one of these "many" cases I can think of is Germany.
Well, they forbid communist parties here too...

What one must not forget is that fascism does not stand above the class system. Fascism will always be a system of the capitalist class, without all the achievements of the bourgeoise revolutions. Fashists have their purpose today, even though its not getting into power. They are their to attack us, to heat up hate against immigrants and to make people who are pissed with the system turn right intead of left. All those are dangerous threats, in recent times in germany fascist attacks have been on the rise, in spain an antifascist was killed on the streets etc. also here in germany the NPD is trying to win in local election and they have a good chance to get into city councils and state parlaments soon enough. The antifashist fight is very important, history has proven that the fashists also profit from an unstable system if we dont fight them enough.

For the "antifashist states" excuse me? i only see anti-communist states around. The ban for the KSM, the ban for Batasuna, "anti-terrorist"-laws that are used to put protestors in jail (see the various anti-g8 protests in genova the trials just ended with all together 200+ years in jail, before and after heiligendam huge observations, house searches and people thrown into jail for "terrorist acts").

Not even speaking about Fortress europe increasing its security against immigrants. Here in germany our racist refugee laws increased huge amounts since about the 70s or 80s, and yes the fascist movements are part of this, their propaganda helps the state to push for these laws and in return the laws increase the distance to immigrants and refugees which helps the fascist movements.

Please do not forget, the state does NOT stand about class relations or political fight, the state will always be a tool used against us. Antifashism from the state is nothing but activism, the capitalist state cannot and will not ever fight fashism effectively

[Comrade_J]

SMOKING IS HEALTHIER THAN FASCISM!!! FUCK THE ENEMY!!! SAY NO TO FASCISM!!!

oh and by the way, mussolini was a *****

[AntifaHooligan]

SMOKING IS HEALTHIER THAN FASCISM!!! FUCK THE ENEMY!!! SAY NO TO FASCISM!!!

oh and by the way, mussolini was a *****

Well... thank you for that information :rolleyes:

[chimx]

Every group of violent anti-racists/fascists I have ever met are overly macho men using the pretense of anti-fascism as an excuse to beat someone up.

[Dr Mindbender]

...and usually they do nothing but give the fash the moral pedestal, so we'd be better off if they didnt bother in the long run.

[AntifaHooligan]

Every group of violent anti-racists/fascists I have ever met are overly macho men using the pretense of anti-fascism as an excuse to beat someone up.

You think the Black Bloc is going around rioting, risking to be arrested, just for fun?...

[Cult of Reason]

A disorganised movement is an impotent one.* This applies regardless of ideology. A disorganised, and hence impotent, Fascist movement is incapable of defeating us (unless our situation is worse), which is a good thing. Hence, anything that causes disorganisation among Fascists is good by definition. Therefore militant anti-Fascism, which has a very good track record of keeping them from organising effectively, is good by definition.

*As has been demonstrated by the post-war Anarchist movement in the UK.

[Colonello Buendia]

I'm assuming some of you guys have heard "Nazi Scum" by Oi Polloi, in the song they make a good point, they may not be very threatening at the moment and they may be considered to be a bunch of prats but Hitler was seen in the same light and look where that got us. Also, from experience it always seems that the left is always less ready to take control in times of turmoil (the episodes I'm thinking about are, Italy post war and Germany during the 20's)

[Cult of Reason]

Perhaps the Nazis are so useless at the moment because of the efforts of Antifa? I think so.

[Forward Union]

You think the Black Bloc is going around rioting, risking to be arrested, just for fun?...

I do.

No I really do.

[chimx]

I do.

No I really do.

Honestly I do also. It's youth adventurism -- totally detached from the movement of the 1970s and 80s

[Lenin II]

Every group of violent anti-racists/fascists I have ever met are overly macho men using the pretense of anti-fascism as an excuse to beat someone up.
I know of no one who behaves such as this. God forbid we should use violence against those who have no mercy, those who would terrorize and assault immigrants.


Nothing will change their views, with the exception of some of the younger people in the "movement".
Our goal is not to change their views. Our goal is to fight them before they hurt anyone else, to stop their numbers from growing too large and to keep them from taking power.


I just see that the term "fascist" used on this board to refer to this omnipresent bogeyman of sorts.
Simply because a few left communists like Spartan throw the term “fascist” around like so many PETA liberals does not mean the threat isn’t alive and real.


With that, most people here give these losers way too much credit, thinking that they are some sort of international threat.
Why don’t you tell that to Russia, Poland, Sweden, Denmark, the UK, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Germany, Finland, Hungary, the Netherlands and Estonia?


Personally, I say let them march in the streets, let them speak, let them hold office - none of it will be to any avail.
(Shakes head really fast) Whoa, I’m sorry. Did you really just say let them hold office? There are no words.


You have to understand, the average person (in the western industrialised world) is morally opposed to fascism/nazism/racism already, and is not going to be swayed to thinking otherwise all that easily.
This is simply not true.


Every western government is staunchly opposed to these ideals, and in many cases has laws forbidding such.
Wake up! America was FOUNDED on white supremacy!


Look at any nazi march, and look at the numbers - these "mass gatherings" are seldom all that large, and they are usually outnumbered and have to resort to police protection.
This is only in nations such as America, where the ultra-nationalism wears a judge’s robe rather than a sheet.

[kromando33]

So Nazi's are bad enough for Terror but the bourgeois aren't?

[Raúl Duke]

So, have you beaten up any bourgeoisie scum lately, kromando?

hmm?

[kromando33]

No I believe any straight out tactics are counterproductive, in fact that kind of violence in general is counterproductive and the movements themselves become reactionary. I am merely questioning your focusing on these petty fascists.

[AntifaHooligan]

Our goal is not to change their views. Our goal is to fight them before they hurt anyone else, to stop their numbers from growing too large and to keep them from taking power.

Actually, the best thing WOULD be to change their views if you ask me. But still, that is not gonna happen, as most fascists are brainwashed fuckheads. The fist is the best POSSIBLE solution!

Edit: The first lines should actually be quoted from Lenin II

[Raúl Duke]

No I believe any straight out tactics are counterproductive, in fact that kind of violence in general is counterproductive and the movements themselves become reactionary. I am merely questioning your focusing on these petty fascists.I'm actually not an anti-fa member...just questioning where you're coming from with that statement.

[crimsonzephyr]

most fascists ive talked to are extremely apathetic of political issues. they just act like you're the stupid one and have no evidence to back up their views.

[AntifaHooligan]

What a shame it is that the keyboard warriors on this website will never take part in such violence, but only type about it.

What a shame the only type of activism you will ever take part in is signing up for left-wing website just to insult the people there.
Sad...

[Forward Union]

Wow, I didn't think you could get that much information from a single one of my posts. Are you left wing freaks physic?
I must say the 25 posts rule on adding images is annoying.
Reading all of your posts is extreamly amusing. But shouldn't you make this forum private? Anyone can read through your oh so secret plans to destroy the BNP (behind your keyboards, of course)

If you want a word of advice. No serious planning goes on here. Send your intelligence teams elsewhere.

I mean, if we're only organising behind keyboards, how come Nick Griffin had so much bother trying to speak Oxford? What happened to Barnsley BNPs stall? Nevermind. Sorry about the no image rule.

Anyway, your forums are funnier at the moment with Sadie Graham splitting the BNP in half :D

[kromando33]

What a shame it is that the keyboard warriors on this website will never take part in such violence, but only type about it.
I have been in a socialist party and activities since I was 19.

[Mujer Libre]

Apologies if I freaked anyone out. I accidentally deleted this thread while trying to delete posts by Armlak the fascist's sockpuppet. But it's okay now, except I feel like a n00b!

[Lenin II]

Apologies if I freaked anyone out. I accidentally deleted this thread while trying to delete posts by Armlak the fascist's sockpuppet. But it's okay now, except I feel like a n00b!
Thank god you got rid of him. That guy has a youtube account as well. I reported him, saying he promoted hate speech. Since youtube seems to have no problem with fash posting videos, I don't know if anything will come of it.

[Black Dagger]

Please stop responding to this troll; and more importantly please stop posting links to his material.

[libertyboy]

Hi again everybody.
The last weeks, I have been in touch with the enemy (fascists, for those of you who didnt figure) through the internet (one of the reasons i havent been posting lately). They are stupid enough to think im on their side, they trust me, and they tell me stuff.

Anyway, heres to all you pussy liberal anti-fascists:
I can prove that violence is the most effective weapon against the racist hate-mongers.

One of the nazis i have been in touch with was supposed to take part in the Salem nazi march on the 8th december.
He and his bonehead friends were attacked by antifa in Stockholm two times on the times on the day before the march.
They got pretty bad injures, and most of them decided they didnt wanna march after all.

So: Beat em up, and they get scared. If they get scared, they stay away from the streets. If they stay away from the streets, they dont try to jump some innocent foreigner, and everyone is happy! :)

So :P to you liberal anti-fascists

Hah!

seriously have you had a girlfriend yet. You come across as one of those kids who hangs round outside off licenses pestering people to buy him drink.

[libertyboy]

What a shame the only type of activism you will ever take part in is signing up for left-wing website just to insult the people there.
Sad...

so says scrappy doo
>>> let me at em uncle scooby I'll wham them I'll bam them I'll fram them

[Comrade Rage]

so says scrappy doo
>>> let me at em uncle scooby I'll wham them I'll bam them I'll fram themMan, are you wierd.

In regard to the anti-fascist tactics, I personally like them, and think that they are indeed successful, and need to be expanded. The proof is all around.

Do you think that this 'Armlak' troll would take the time to troll here if we weren't making some gains?

[libertyboy]

Man, are you wierd.

In regard to the anti-fascist tactics, I personally like them, and think that they are indeed successful, and need to be expanded. The proof is all around.

Do you think that this 'Armlak' troll would take the time to troll here if we weren't making some gains?

I don't know about trolls but seriously is this just a site for fourteen year olds? i marvel anyone would even bother trolling this forum? As someone who can tell you a thing or two about militant anti-fascism in his day- when it was the right thing to do at the time, you can safely say I won't be bookmarking this website. The BNP have 50 councillors, they have a website getting more hits than all the other political sites put together and only last Thursday they were on sky TV putting their views across in a forty minute long programme. Don't you think physical force anti-fascism is a bit outdated? why don't you do something sensible like put your efforts into something like the IWCA? I know, don't tell me you and little let me at em scrappy doo aren't even old enough to vote yet.

[Comrade Rage]

I don't know about trolls but seriously is this just a site for fourteen year olds?

I'm 21, so no.


i marvel anyone would even bother trolling this forum?You are.


As someone who can tell you a thing or two about militant anti-fascism in his day- when it was the right thing to do at the time, you can safely say I won't be bookmarking this website.Are you going to make any points, or just piss on the site?


The BNP have 50 councillors, they have a website getting more hits than all the other political sites put together and only last Thursday they were on sky TV putting their views across in a forty minute long programme. Don't you think physical force anti-fascism is a bit outdated?No, I think physical force anti-fascism should not only be expanded, but we should learn HTML, SQL, etc so that we can fight their internet presence as well.

why don't you do something sensible like put your efforts into something like the IWCA? I know, don't tell me you and little let me at em scrappy doo aren't even old enough to vote yet.I don't know what the IWCA is, so I wouldn't be the one to comment, also I'm an American so the anti-fascist struggle is a little different for me.

And I don't know about AH, but I'm old enough to vote. That's meaningless in the anti-fascist struggle, though. People thought the ballot box was the place to fight fascism in Germany in 1932/33 and they were wrong.

As are you.

[jaffe]

IWCA was a left wing response to the rising elections results from the BNP. IWCA was started after BNP decided in the 90's that taking over the streets was a failure (because of AFA red action etc.) and move to elections (in which they had some succes)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_Working_Class_Association

[POUM]

The taking over the streets wasn't a failure. Look at London today and compare it to back then. IWCA was just another method. Why can't we use both militant antifascism as well as political in the same time? Do these exclude one another somehow?

[Lenin II]

I don't know about trolls but seriously is this just a site for fourteen year olds?
No it is not, and even if it was, so what? What does it benefit the truth that its source is older? Your ageism greatly disturbs me, and should be considered a form of discrimination as far as I'm concerned. So it is suddenly the hardening of one's arteries that makes you wise?

i marvel anyone would even bother trolling this forum?
And yet here you are.

As someone who can tell you a thing or two about militant anti-fascism in his day-
Oh, do bravely tell us of your harrowing escapades as a certified professional fash-basher.

when it was the right thing to do at the time,
And somehow it is not the right thing to do now? Fascism remains strong in the petit-bourgeoisie and lumpenproletariat and should be combated as it has always been.

you can safely say I won't be bookmarking this website.
Then go away.

The BNP have 50 councillors, they have a website getting more hits than all the other political sites put together and only last Thursday they were on sky TV putting their views across in a forty minute long programme.
Good for them.

Don't you think physical force anti-fascism is a bit outdated?
Don't you think that last point and this one are a bit contradictory?

why don't you do something sensible like put your efforts into something like the IWCA?
Such as? How do you know what anti-fascist techniques our many thousands of members have taken up in the past? Why do you deem them "not constructive?" A few posts to your name and you think that you can introduce to us the inadequacy of our program? Why don't you help us do something constructive instead of wasting your apparent vast knowledge of anti-fascism trolling?

I know, don't tell me you and little let me at em scrappy doo aren't even old enough to vote yet.
You should be restricted if you are still naive enough to believe that bourgeoisie elections for bourgeoisie candidates can somehow get that same class out of power. For someone who believes himself so much wiser than the rest of us, you fail to realize that if elections changed anything, they would be illegal.

[RedAnarchist]

I don't know about trolls but seriously is this just a site for fourteen year olds? i marvel anyone would even bother trolling this forum? As someone who can tell you a thing or two about militant anti-fascism in his day- when it was the right thing to do at the time, you can safely say I won't be bookmarking this website. The BNP have 50 councillors, they have a website getting more hits than all the other political sites put together and only last Thursday they were on sky TV putting their views across in a forty minute long programme. Don't you think physical force anti-fascism is a bit outdated? why don't you do something sensible like put your efforts into something like the IWCA? I know, don't tell me you and little let me at em scrappy doo aren't even old enough to vote yet.

I thought something was strange about this guy. I bet hes a recently banned troll.

[jaffe]

I don't like his tone but he is asking good questions.
I don't believe that a fighting approach is the only approach possible against extreme-right political party's.



The taking over the streets wasn't failure. Look at London and compare it to back then.


the question is how are the anti-fascists in UK going to stop the BNP now. From what I was told the BNP used to be a nazi-bootboy macho party roaming the streets, provoking race-riots, involvment with C18 etc. but now they try to get a cleaner image. And they succeed very well looking at the election results.

[POUM]

That's just it, if they want to have MORE members they have to be LESS rightwing.

[AntifaHooligan]

I don't know about trolls but seriously is this just a site for fourteen year olds? i marvel anyone would even bother trolling this forum? As someone who can tell you a thing or two about militant anti-fascism in his day- when it was the right thing to do at the time, you can safely say I won't be bookmarking this website. The BNP have 50 councillors, they have a website getting more hits than all the other political sites put together and only last Thursday they were on sky TV putting their views across in a forty minute long programme. Don't you think physical force anti-fascism is a bit outdated? why don't you do something sensible like put your efforts into something like the IWCA? I know, don't tell me you and little let me at em scrappy doo aren't even old enough to vote yet.

If you just have come here to critizise RevLeft and all the people here, why dont you just fuck off?

[jaffe]

That's just it, if they want to have MORE members they have to be LESS rightwing.

But they still have their secret agenda. It only has a different suit.




If you just have come here to critizise RevLeft and all the people here, why dont you just fuck off?


:rolleyes:

why don't you think before you type?

[POUM]

I don't think that they have any agenda othe than power and money. Most political parties today are oportunistic and not ideological. This is a scientific fact,proven by many sociologists. I think BNP just wants power and it will go more to the left or center if it needs to obtain it. Still their rethoric is very dangerous. Not like the old one, but they still have to be dealt with, but in a different fashion.

[jaffe]

I think libertyboy is trying to point that out.

[POUM]

They want to capitalise on the islamophobia and the new wave of immigrants coming to EU and other european countries. When the histeria wears off, so will the influence of parties such as BNP, german NDP, frend NF etc. meanwhile we have to fight so their capitalisation does not involve innocent victims such as immigrants.

[jaffe]

They want to capitalise on the islamophobia and the new wave of immigrants coming to EU and other european countries. When the histeria wears off, so will the influence of parties such as BNP, german NDP, frend NF etc. meanwhile we have to fight so their capitalisation does not involve innocent victims such as immigrants.

We have to fight them because they divide the working class.

[POUM]

That too, ofcourse.

[Lenin II]

They want to capitalise on the islamophobia and the new wave of immigrants coming to EU and other european countries. When the histeria wears off, so will the influence of parties such as BNP, german NDP, frend NF etc. meanwhile we have to fight so their capitalisation does not involve innocent victims such as immigrants.
The threat of fascism is not an incidental thing, nor is it event-dependent or transitional. Whether or not Islamophobia and anti-immigrant hysteria is strong in the US or EU, the fascists will continue to fight and kill our comrades and oppose us at every turn. Even if they are forced back into dormancy, they will still infect the petite-bourgeoisie and give right-wing politics a populist spin to members of the working class and lumpenproletariat, thus directly taking away from the revolutionary sentiment. In this they are an eternal threat, and should be ruthlessly dealt with as such.

[TC]

The fact that fascists are politically marginal and irrelevant is because the historical material political conditions that existed for them to be relevant in the 20th century no longer exist in any of the countries were traditional fascists existed...the economy and political structure is totally different. The failure of fascists to be remotely effective doesn't point to the 'success' of antifa but rather that antifa is essentially a symbolic issue and antifa activities are basically for the Left's internal consumption.

[POUM]

The threat of fascism is not an incidental thing, nor is it event-dependent or transitional. Whether or not Islamophobia and anti-immigrant hysteria is strong in the US or EU, the fascists will continue to fight and kill our comrades and oppose us at every turn. Even if they are forced back into dormancy, they will still infect the petite-bourgeoisie and give right-wing politics a populist spin to members of the working class and lumpenproletariat, thus directly taking away from the revolutionary sentiment. In this they are an eternal threat, and should be ruthlessly dealt with as such.


That is true, they will always pose a threat, it's just that after the anti-immigrantion hyteria fades, they will pose only a minor threat. Still the rootcause of fascism is capitalism. That should be our priority. Fascist are here only to keep our minds from the currently more important issues. That is not to say that we should ignore the fascist threat completley but rather that we should make combating capitalism our priority. Capitalism is the disease, fascism is only a sympthom.

[Comrade Rage]

IWCA was a left wing response to the rising elections results from the BNP. IWCA was started after BNP decided in the 90's that taking over the streets was a failure (because of AFA red action etc.) and move to elections (in which they had some succes)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_Working_Class_AssociationThanks for the information. Yeah, we can't focus just on the ballot box to defeat these guys.