palestine

[RbG]

Hey guys, i've seen a lot things about how palestine should be freed. i dont what is going on over there. so if you guys can inform me about it, that would be great. i want to know.


Thanks ;)

[Dros]

Basically, sixty years ago, the Palestinian people were booted off their land by British Imperialists, their homes were given to Zionists, and the militarist state of Israel was formed. Since that time, Britain and the U.S. have been backing Israel militarily and economically while the state of Israel has waged a war of aggression against the Palestinian people. Israel is, was, and always will be a terrorist state that attacks, plunders, and murders hundreds of innocent people. In short, what is going on is APPARTHEID.

Here are some stats. (http://www.ifamericansknew.org/)

[Lenin II]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13, 2007 01:27 am
Basically, sixty years ago, the Palestinian people were booted off their land by British Imperialists, their homes were given to Zionists, and the militarist state of Israel was formed. Since that time, Britain and the U.S. have been backing Israel militarily and economically while the state of Israel has waged a war of aggression against the Palestinian people. Israel is, was, and always will be a terrorist state that attacks, plunders, and murders hundreds of innocent people. In short, what is going on is APPARTHEID.

Here are some stats. (http://www.ifamericansknew.org/)
Don't forget the fact that Israel has learned the lessons of the British and the Nazis quite well. Israeli soldiers quite often hold Palestinian families at gunpoint while their homes are demolished, and Israel's barb-wire-rimmed apartheid wall was built deliberately outside their supposed "territory." Zionism is a racist ideology, and since Israel is based on Zionism, it is a racist state.
For decades the Israelis have expelled, murdered and tortured people of Palestinian descent who live under their imperialist fist. They live as second class citizens and are reminded of it every day. They can only use certain roads, are harassed, soemtimes sexually, at checkpoints and roadblocks because of their "race", and often have to stand in lines for hours to make sure their papers are in order.
The goal of Israel and Zionism is a Jewish-controlled state, which means they don't let too many non-Jews immigrate to their country. Ah, but America supports the Israelis, don't they? They give them about six billion a year, last time I checked--more than they give the rest of the world combined! The Christian Zionist movement is out of control in the US, and thusly most Americans support Israel because of widespread Islamophobia. Israel is an enemy of the working class of Palestine and the entire world. Zionism must be crushed along with any other fascist ideology.

[Revolution Until Victory]

a while ago, a similar question was asked in the Politics Forum. That was my response:


Here is a brief summary of the situation:

The earliest known inhabitants of the land could arguablly be considred the Caananites. A semetic groups that emmigrated from the Arabian Peninsula. After that, the Hebrew tribes invaded the land of Canaan and took over some of it. Latter, they were expelled and the land got conqured by the Romans. After the Romans, the Arabs (who trace thier ancestory to the Canaanites) conqured it from the Romans and from then on, it was a predomanatly Arab land with an Arab population, even though for a while they were under Ottman colonization. All in all, Palestine have been conqured by many various peoples and tribes. In the late 19th centurey political Zionism emerged along with the wave of racist, capitalist, European imperilaism. Zionism, a raicst, 19th century capitalist-imperilaist movment sought different allies, until it finally settled with the British imperilaists, who sponsered thier movment. In 1947, the imperialists were able to influence the UN and devide Palestine, into 2 parts: 55% to the Zionist colonizers and the rest to the natives (I will demonstrate how unjust this was latter in the post). Around the time of the partition resolution by the UN and after it, almost 800,000 Palestinian Arabs were expelled by the Zionists, and almost 500 villages destroyed and ethnicly cleansed. At first, the Palestinians relied on the Arab states and thier conventional armies to defeat the Zionist settler-colony. However, the 1967 agression proved thier illousion and the futility of imperialist-agent regimes and thier classic armies. Thus in 1958 Palestinian students in Kuwait established the first Palestinian liberation movment, called the Palestinian National Liberation Movment, Al Fatah, a secular, nationalist, and moderate-leftist movment for the liberaiton fo Palestine. In 1964 the PLO was established by the Arab regimes to liberate Palestine, yet, it was controlled by them and wasn't independent. In January, 1, 1965 AL Fatah launched the modern, Palestinian armed revolution. In December, 11, 1967, the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, the Palestinian wing of the socialist Arab Nationalist Movment (ANM), was established and about a year later, adopted Marxism-leninsm, heavely effected by Maoism. In 1968, a faction split form the PFLP led by Ahmad Jibril and formed the Marxist Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command (PFLP-GC) which concentrated more on armed struggle. In 1969, another faction split form the PFLP led by Naif Hawatmeh and formed the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palesitne (DFLP) and as opposed to the PFLP-GC, concentrated more on revolutionary leftist theory rather than armed struggle. The Palestinian revolution's first major setback was in 1970 when the collaborater king of Jordan fought the Palestinian guerrillas in Jordan and the guerillas lost thier bases for armed struggle in Jordan as a result. The second major setback was the 1982 war in Lebanon in which the guerrillas lost thier last external base for armed struggle. In 1988, the PLO compromised with colonialism and gave the Zionists the right to colonize Palestine. In 1993 the Oslo accords were signed, and the "peace process" started. In September 2000, the Palestinian armed revolution was re-launched, this time, from inside Palestine. The Islamic Resistance Movment, Hamas, was formed in 1987 by Ahmad Yassin, after being Zionist agents through out the early 80's, and around the same time, the Palestinian Islamic Jihad was formed by Ahmad Shiqaqy.

As leftists and communists, the marxist-leninist PFLP should be the side to support.

A thread in the Events and Propaganda Forum documenting daily PFLP operations against the Zionist settler-colony here (http://revleft.com/index.php?showtopic=68725&st=0)

[Dros]

Don't forget the fact that Israel has learned the lessons of the British and the Nazis quite well. Israeli soldiers quite often hold Palestinian families at gunpoint while their homes are demolished, and Israel's barb-wire-rimmed apartheid wall was built deliberately outside their supposed "territory." Zionism is a racist ideology, and since Israel is based on Zionism, it is a racist state.
For decades the Israelis have expelled, murdered and tortured people of Palestinian descent who live under their imperialist fist. They live as second class citizens and are reminded of it every day. They can only use certain roads, are harassed, soemtimes sexually, at checkpoints and roadblocks because of their "race", and often have to stand in lines for hours to make sure their papers are in order.
The goal of Israel and Zionism is a Jewish-controlled state, which means they don't let too many non-Jews immigrate to their country. Ah, but America supports the Israelis, don't they? They give them about six billion a year, last time I checked--more than they give the rest of the world combined! The Christian Zionist movement is out of control in the US, and thusly most Americans support Israel because of widespread Islamophobia. Israel is an enemy of the working class of Palestine and the entire world. Zionism must be crushed along with any other fascist ideology.

Totally agree comrade. I did not intend my last post to be Israel's charge sheet in full. Just a brief overview. Israel is a fascist, racist, genocidal, regime that reminds me of ... the NAZIS!

[jado]

In addition to what the comrades said, I think supporting the Palestinians in their struggle should be based on more than the fact that they are leftists. It is a struggle against terrorism, racism, fascism...etc. you should support them for human reasons and because you believe that they are fighting for THEIR land and their struggle is righteous.

[Lenin II]

Very true. Israel is a bunch of lefties too--the Labor Party pretty much owns the country. But actions speak louder than words.

[Sam_b]

Israel is a bunch of lefties too--the Labor Party pretty much owns the country

How so? The Labour Party is in control in the UK yet isn't anywhere near leftist.

[The Advent of Anarchy]

Plus, Israel invades Middle Eastern countries for the US, since it is a puppet state.

DEATH TO ZIONISM!

[Lenin II]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14, 2007 02:57 am

Israel is a bunch of lefties too--the Labor Party pretty much owns the country

How so? The Labour Party is in control in the UK yet isn't anywhere near leftist.
In this case, perhaps the term "left" is used too quickly. They are not left in our sense, but rather in the center-left capitalist sense, which is about as far left as you casn get without being a revolutionary party--a practice states such as the UK and Israel certainly would not allow.

[Dros]

Originally posted by Lenin [email protected] 14, 2007 07:24 am
In this case, perhaps the term "left" is used too quickly. They are not left in our sense, but rather in the center-left capitalist sense, which is about as far left as you casn get without being a revolutionary party--a practice states such as the UK and Israel certainly would not allow.
The Labor Party in Israel isn't even left in the bourgois sense (anymore). They are dominated by extremist Jews who believe in the creation of "Greater Israel" (kinda sounds like Hitler's "Greater Germany" don't it) who want to enforce a state based on national, racial, and religious lines and therefore oppress and silence those who don't conform. They support "socialism" with corporate power and a powerful state with limited democracy. Sounds fascist (or at least fascistic) to me.